Leo Varadkar comes out as gay

Dan_Solo · 19-01-2015 12:16PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

If it was that irrelevant perhaps Leo wouldn't felt the need to 'come out' in the first place.

If a politician decides to say something publicly then that is open for comment. The fact we are talking about it does not make the irrelevant magically important.

jobbridge4life · 19-01-2015 12:16PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Yes and obviously you must think that your "rights" are paramount and override anybody else's entitlement to expect decent and appropriate behaviour out and about in general society.

Whereas you believe your own right to live like its the 50s are paramount.;)

mrsbyrne · 19-01-2015 12:17PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Are you talking about any kind of kissing in public or just the full on tonsil tennis?

Im talking about the full on tonsil tennis. As long as 15 years ago I was running teenagers out of the playground because sitting on a swing on your boyfriends lap while he squeezes your tits and you swap chewing gum is just not what my toddler needs to be looking at.

19-01-2015 12:18PM

i was living in Engerland many a year ago. This English skinhead chap was telling us how his flat mate had came out ! And we said so ? To which he replied that he kicked him back in again.

mrsbyrne · 19-01-2015 12:19PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Whereas you believe your own right to live like its the 50s are paramount.;)

Yes my own right to expect people to behave in a decent manner in public trumps your desire to express your lust in public. Yes it most certainly does. I'm glad we agree.

Baggy Trousers · 19-01-2015 12:19PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Nothing snide about that at all. A little word play. Impossible to be upset by except for the "I insist on being upset" types.

You're clearly the only one upset, you jumped to jocmilt's defence.
I do think Leo will top the poll and become a leader of FG.

eviltwin · 19-01-2015 12:19PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Im talking about the full on tonsil tennis. As long as 15 years ago I was running teenagers out of the playground because sitting on a swing on your boyfriends lap while he squeezes your tits and you swap chewing gum is just not what my toddler needs to be looking at.

Okay I can understand that. There is a time and a place. But it's easy to just turn the other way and ignore it. It's not going to do a child any harm either.

charlie14 · 19-01-2015 12:20PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

But surely if people thought it was irrelevant then we wouldn't be talking about it.

If it was that irrelevant perhaps Leo wouldn't felt the need to 'come out' in the first place.

I think from the little I heard of the radio interview I`m not sure he attached that much relevance to it himself.

I feel it was as much to do with the upcoming decision that he has to make re. gay men being allowed to give blood and by stating he was gay, prior to making that decision, denying the gutterpress the opportunity for snide innuendos of him having a vested interest.

jobbridge4life · 19-01-2015 12:20PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Yes my own right to expect people to behave in a decent manner in public trumps your desire to express your lust in public. Yes it most certainly does. I'm glad we agree.

Personally I wouldn't engage in much of the old PDAing myself. Oh and by the way it doesn't and we don't. Thankfully we don't live in a world where our individual ick-factor gets to dictate the behaviour of others.:rolleyes:

VinLieger · 19-01-2015 12:21PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Yes and obviously you must think that your "rights" are paramount and override anybody else's entitlement to expect decent and appropriate behaviour out and about in general society.

Woo you thank god you finally said it!

I love how in your head you have more rights than others and you are entitled to expect this yet others arent entitled to expect you to mind your own business.

You are entitled to zero expectation of this under the law and until you and your nimbyist prudish cohorts can make PDA illegal its just youre tough luck and you'll have to get on with these completely natural displays of affection.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:24PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Im talking about the full on tonsil tennis. As long as 15 years ago I was running teenagers out of the playground because sitting on a swing on your boyfriends lap while he squeezes your tits and you swap chewing gum is just not what my toddler needs to be looking at.

You had a good look?

Grayson · 19-01-2015 12:24PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Yes and obviously you must think that your "rights" are paramount and override anybody else's entitlement to expect decent and appropriate behaviour out and about in general society.

I don't think anyone should suck face in public, but that's not what you're worried about is it? A 2-3 second gay kiss would probably irritate you. Otherwise you'd be saying that heterosexual affection should be banned in public and you'd be asking to impose a form of Sharia.

You cannot and should not legislate according to what some people find icky. Church bells irritate me, I'm not campaigning to remove them.

Tolerance is a virtue. It has been considered so in the western world since the time of Aristotle. It's especially considered so in Christianity (Which handily appropriated both Aristotles and Plato's work).

I'd suggest you suck up your ickyness and deal with it. They're your feelings, they're your problem. Try being tolerant of others. It's what Jesus would do.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:24PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Yes my own right to expect people to behave in a decent manner in public trumps your desire to express your lust in public. Yes it most certainly does. I'm glad we agree.

Decent? Define decent?

charlie14 · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

You're clearly the only one upset, you jumped to jocmilt's defence.
I do think Leo will top the poll and become a leader of FG.

I can well see him topping the poll in Dublin West, but becoming leader of FG I`m not to sure. There is a large conservative rump imo in FG that could swing it Coveney`s way.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

Maybe if they women and gays work burkas the men wouldn't behave so lust fully...

(sarcasn-just in case it's missed)

jobbridge4life · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

efb wrote: »

Decent? Define decent?

Whatever MrsByrne approves of obviously, or her toddler.

floggg · 19-01-2015 12:25PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Ah no euphemism. A straightforward question to bodice ripper which he/she strangely enough Is too shy to answer.
Says my child has to watch him or her snoging snd fondling partner in the street but won't agree that it's ok for me to do similar with my OH in front of his or her elderly relative. Big double standard really. Makes you wonder.

You really thinking snogging is comparable to equivalent to oral sex?

One of those rare instances that I hope for the posters own sake they are a troll.

jobbridge4life · 19-01-2015 12:27PM

floggg wrote: »

You really thinking snogging is comparable to equivalent to oral sex?

Its a slippery slope. First hand holding, then kissing, then oral before long... full on wife swapping sodomy.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:28PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

I don’t think you should assume because people make jokes about gay people that they’re automatically going to be discriminative against that person because they’re gay. Some will of course, but not most IMO.

It’s called a sense of humour. That’s all it is, no matter how childish it is.

As an analogy, I know plenty of people who’d refer to someone as a ginger bollox or who’d cast similar dispersions towards guys with red hair. But I doubt I know anyone who’d actually discriminate against someone because he’s a red head.

Is up to the person the comment is directed it to decide if it's distasteful would you call your black friends nıgger?

efb · 19-01-2015 12:28PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I can well see him topping the poll in Dublin West, but becoming leader of FG I`m not to sure. There is a large conservative rump imo in FG that could swing it Coveney`s way.

Top my poll anytime (giggidy)

mrsbyrne · 19-01-2015 12:29PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Okay I can understand that. There is a time and a place. But it's easy to just turn the other way and ignore it. It's not going to do a child any harm either.

I don't agree but I respect your point of view. Children have a right to have a childhood sheltered from avoidable adult pursuits. Don't I know how all too soon its all over.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:30PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

First of all why are you shouting at me? I'm not deaf!
Gay, straight makes no difference to me. Holding hands, cuddling is fine. Open mouth kissing and fondling in a public place during daylight hours is completely unacceptable.
In adult only environments, in particular nightclubs, discos, pubs, clubs etc.people can act within the rules of the establishment itself. I don't care one way or the other. Once again, gay, straight, doesn't matter to me.
If I or anybody else is uncomfortable with that then that's my problem and I'm free to leave.
If I'm standing at a bus stop with a child or children , and couples of any sexual orientation are heavy petting outside a pub, or in a café with my mother in the middle of the day and the couple at the next table are groping each other in full view, I'm going to call them on it, no problem.
If you think im going to excuse you your inappropriate behaviour just because your gay , you've another think coming.

I don't need your permission to kiss my bf

floggg · 19-01-2015 12:31PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

ah here, please.

Like that very annoying Frozen song.

Bastard. That's gonna be stuck in my head all day now.

efb · 19-01-2015 12:32PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I frequently see it in Dublin, most recently on Henry street at night time. I'm genuinely sorry you don't feel safe holding hands with your partner (I don't doubt your fears by the way) and I hope things change quickly, my young son thinks it's perfectly normal, maybe his generation won't even have to think about being accepting and tolerant.

My 13 year old niece was so non plussed when I told her (genuinely not boards pretend)it was refreshing

efb · 19-01-2015 12:32PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I don't agree but I respect your point of view. Children have a right to have a childhood sheltered from avoidable adult pursuits. Don't I know how all too soon its all over.

French Kissing?

bjork · 19-01-2015 12:33PM

It seems the title of this thread is so un-newsworthy, the topic has been changed to what is good manners vs bad. I'm not suprised.

Flem31 · 19-01-2015 12:35PM

Grayson wrote: »

Unless it involves a brown envelopes or bunga bunga parties.

We are having a referendum on this. There isn't one on childbirth. If Lucinda decided to go to Manchester for an abortion then it becomes politically relevant.

When a government minister comes out as gay just before a referendum on gay marriage it's relevant. In 12 months after it passes it won't be relevant at all.

Politicans usually receive brown envelopes based on their day job, not what they do in their personal time.
Wasn't aware of bunga bunga parties in Ireland, please do tell.

When a government minister comes out, it is relevant to those who would be easily persuaded by such an announcement.
The referendum will be about the merits of the referendum and not which well known person declares their sexual preferences.

I agree it is a welcome step to see a well known politician make such a statement, but to make it relevant to an entire campaign is to sell the campaign short imo.

Leo's statement will probably have more impact on individuals who have yet to tell their family, rather than having an impact on a referendum

Stark · 19-01-2015 12:35PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I don't agree but I respect your point of view. Children have a right to have a childhood sheltered from avoidable adult pursuits. Don't I know how all too soon its all over.

No they don't.

I've no doubt that teenagers have been tonsil wrestling in all sorts of places since humankind existed. Yet I have no memory of ever noticing it as a pre-teen, it's just not the kind of thing you pay attention to at that age. And anyway, they're teenagers, they're at that age where raging hormones and lack of social awareness align. It's like an infant ****ting itself in public, a bit icky but not unexpected for someone at that stage of development. Any rational person just ignores it and moves on with their day as opposed to having a "Ewww, disgusting!" freak out.

I imagine it does kids more harm to have an adult screaming "look at that, it's dirty and disgusting!" and giving them issues in later life than it does to simply let them ignore it and go back to playing on the swings or whatever else they get up to when not worrying about Mrs. Lovejoys getting worked up about nothing.

floggg · 19-01-2015 12:36PM

efb wrote: »

Practicing my new signature all morning
Mrs Leo Varadkar

I find him both ugly and highly ****able all at the same time.

jobbridge4life · 19-01-2015 12:37PM

floggg wrote: »

I find him both ugly and highly ****able all at the same time.

Defo be one of those hate ****s for me.

Leo Varadkar comes out as gay

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