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  • #32
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    • You said animals need to be protected - They are.
    • You said hunters need to be responsible - They are.
    • You said animals act as they do which does not justify (or condemn) the act of hunting - I fail to see how an animal acts can in any way "justify" or condemn the act of hunting.

    So where in that am i agreeing with you, and where in that are you saying hunting is "grand". I've said this already, but as you missed the link in the article above i explain it again. Hunting is 100% legal. The people that use what we do, what we say (and again we is the shooting community) against us are insignificant. They are a dozen or so that have nothing better to be at than attack a 100% legal sport. They have no concept of the need for culling, hunting, and population control. They have no concept or involvement with breeding programs and conservation.

    So quite frankly i don't give a rats ass what they think.
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  • #33
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    I am all for hunting as long as it's responsible,
    It's legal, and irresponsible people don't get firearms licenses.
    There are irresponsible people with firearms licenses. Alot of poaching going on.
    Cass wrote: »
      You said animals need to be protected - They are.
    Not all species protected that should be.
    You said hunters need to be responsible - They are.
    Most hunters that I know are responsible, not all are though. Poaching etc.
    The people that use what we do, what we say (and again we is the shooting community) against us are insignificant. They are a dozen or so that have nothing better to be at than attack a 100% legal sport. They have no concept of the need for culling, hunting, and population control. They have no concept or involvement with breeding programs and conservation.
    Another broad statement. I know people who would be anti-hunting who are actively involved in conservation. Conversely I know of people who are anti-hunting who do not know anything about conservation.


  • #34
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Capercaille wrote: »
    There are irresponsible people with firearms licenses.
    Who?
    Alot of poaching going on.
    A lot. Broad statement, you know, the kind you accuse me of making.
    Most hunters that I know are responsible, not all are though.
    Again who?
    Poaching etc.
    More broad statements. Starting to see a trend here. So you know someone who is poaching and hence they are irresponsible? So what have you done about it? Reported them? Approached them? Or simply come on here and start talking about poaching, as an unprovable fact, as a reason to rubbish the 99.99% of responsible shooters/hunters.
    Not all species protected that should be.
    According to who? You? I already know where you stand based on previous threads.

    However neither you nor i can affect change on a legislative level. However out of curiostiy what animals have no protection? What animals have no protection that should have it?
    Another broad statement. I know people who would be anti-hunting who are actively involved in conservation.
    Anyone from the anti "bloodsports" organisations? That is who i am talking about?
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  • #35
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    Who?

    A lot. Broad statement, you know, the kind you accuse me of making.

    Again who?

    Do you think there is Deer poaching going on is? How many threads are in the Shooting forum about it. I would assume those people are irresponsible shooters?
    So you know someone who is poaching and hence they are irresponsible? So what have you done about it? Report?
    I found two lands shooting snipe on my farm without permission. I told them to refrain from doing it again. They apologized and that was the matter done.
    Not all species protected that should be.
    IMO Red Grouse, Golden Plover, Woodcock should be taken off quarry list. Do gunclubs do active conservation with these species? Yes they do. The Boleybrack project is a good example. Don't think it's a great idea to shoot red-listed species though, especially when trying to convince members of the general public to get involved in conservation.
    Anyone from the anti "bloodsports" organisations? That is who i am talking about?
    I don't know anybody personally in those Irish groups, so I don't know what their views on conservation are. Apologies for the confusion.


  • #36
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Capercaille wrote: »
    Do you think there is Deer poaching going on is? How many threads are in the Shooting forum about it. I would assume those people are irresponsible shooters?
    You know what they say about assuming?

    If a person was irresponsible they would not get a license or firearm. There are too many checks, etc. to go through to allow this to happen. What people do after that is, to a degree, uncontrollable. IOW you cannot legislate for the unpredictable. However as i said above with 99.99% of us being responsible my assertion still stands.

    It's also more relating to how we act. Poaching cannot, and is not, an excuse to label hunters as irresponsible.
    I found two lands shooting snipe on my farm without permission. I told them to refrain from doing it again. They apologized and that was the matter done.
    Genuine mistake or purpose act of trespass? One is non criminal, the other is not. One is responsible shooters, the other is not.
    IMO Red Grouse, Golden Plover, Woodcock should be taken off quarry list. Do gunclubs do active conservation with these species? Yes they do. The Boleybrack project is a good example. Don't think it's a great idea to shoot red-listed species though, especially when trying to convince members of the general public to get involved in conservation.
    All of these are protected. Yes they have a season, but they are protected the rest of the year round. I asked what animal/bird has no protection. None whatsoever, not even basic animal rights? What you are asking for is a ban on shooting them. So my comment that all wildlife is protected (in some form) still stands.
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  • #37
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    You know what they say about assuming?

    If a person was irresponsible they would not get a license or firearm. There are too many checks, etc. to go through to allow this to happen. What people do after that is, to a degree, uncontrollable. IOW you cannot legislate for the unpredictable. However as i said above with 99.99% of us being responsible my assertion still stands.

    .

    You're assuming 99.99% of licensed firearm holders are responsible.
    Genuine mistake or purpose act of trespass? One is non criminal, the other is not. One is responsible shooters, the other is not.
    They knew it was my land and bar foxes/grey crows/magpies everybody local knows I don't allow shooting on my farm. They knew that also.
    All of these are protected. Yes they have a season, but they are protected the rest of the year round. I asked what animal/bird has no protection. None whatsoever, not even basic animal rights? What you are asking for is a ban on shooting them. So my comment that all wildlife is protected (in some form) still stands.
    They are not protected during shooting season so IMO they are not properly protected.


  • #38
    Sparks
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    There are irresponsible people with firearms licenses.
    Prove it, because that's breaking section 4(2)(b).


  • #39
    dodderangler
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    Sparks wrote: »
    Prove it, because that's breaking section 4(2)(b).

    The amount of raptors being shot lately


  • #40
    Sparks
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    The amount of raptors being shot lately

    And you know that's being done with legally held firearms because...


  • #41
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Sparks wrote: »
    And you know that's being done with legally held firearms because...

    Are you saying it's all done by lads who have no licences and guns are illegally being held?


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  • #42
    Sparks
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    Are you saying it's all done by lads who have no licences and guns are illegally being held?

    I'm saying that it's downright odd to be going into a committee meeting on wednesday to argue that the Gardai's idea of what's proven and what's not is wrong, while reading the same level of argument here.

    It's pretty simple lads, 4(2)(b) says irresponsible people can't have firearms (and you can yank a licence under section 5 for the same reason if they become irresponsible after getting the licence). The Gardai aren't meant to issue a cert in such cases. So if you know of an irresponsible person with a firearm it means the Gardai made a hames of things; but if you then do nothing, then you're worse than they are because you know about a problem and don't report it. Even though we know that's how Hungerford happened.

    So either you're being loose with your words (which on here means you're cruising for a defamation lawsuit -- and yes, shooters have taken those against other shooters for five and six figure sums in the past); or you're confessing to acting like a gob****e yourself.

    Can't really lay claim to much sympathy for either case, to be honest.


  • #43
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Sparks wrote: »
    Prove it, because that's breaking section 4(2)(b).
    http://www.wilddeerireland.com/news.html A couple of convictions there.
    dodderangler wrote: »
    Are you saying it's all done by lads who have no licences and guns are illegally being held?
    I wonder would Cass/Sparks be happier with that situation?
    Sparks wrote: »

    It's pretty simple lads, 4(2)(b) says irresponsible people can't have firearms (and you can yank a licence under section 5 for the same reason if they become irresponsible after getting the licence). The Gardai aren't meant to issue a cert in such cases. So if you know of an irresponsible person with a firearm it means the Gardai made a hames of things; but if you then do nothing, then you're worse than they are because you know about a problem and don't report it. Even though we know that's how Hungerford happened.

    How easy would it be to prove in a Court of Law that a person is irresponsible. Sure we all have the money to pursue that.


  • #44
    Sparks
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    How easy would it be to prove in a Court of Law that a person is irresponsible. Sure we all have the money to pursue that.
    Which is exactly my point about the defamation cases.


  • #45
    dodderangler
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    When issuing licences the Garda havint a clue if this person is irresponsible or not. Sure they'd check the person record and the person may not have anything at all on his record but it doesn't make that person responsible.
    I've seen some irresponsible shooters and I'm sure others have aswell.
    Not everyone who owns a gun is responsible. Let's be honest.


  • #46
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Sorry for the break in service. Pizza arrived and that is more important than feeding trolls discussing this.
    Capercaille wrote: »
    You're assuming 99.99% of licensed firearm holders are responsible.
    Semantics and i'm not assuming, i'm stating.
    They knew it was my land and bar foxes/grey crows/magpies everybody local knows I don't allow shooting on my farm. They knew that also.
    Then you should have taken action. The fact you didn't means it never happened or you're exaggerating a situation to suit your argument.
    They are not protected during shooting season so IMO they are not properly protected.
    In your opinion. That and €5 will get you a Big Mac.
    dodderangler wrote: »
    The amount of raptors being shot lately
    Don't even start at that. Seriously. It's never been ttolerated on the hunting section as they are not a species that can be hunted. To post it here or imply it's hunters doing it is defamatory and will be removed.
    Capercaille wrote: »
    I wonder would Cass/Sparks be happier with that situation?.
    I'd be happier if i didn't have to deal with anits, trolls, people that vilify our sport, so called campaigners for animals that haven't a f**king clue what they are on about and if they would just leave us alone in the same way we leave ye alone.

    That would make me happy.
    Dodderangler wrote:
    When issuing licences the Garda havint a clue if this person is irresponsible or not. Sure they'd check the person record and the person may not have anything at all on his record but it doesn't make that person responsible.
    Read this slowly so it sinks in YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE FOR THE UNPREDICTABLE. AGS issue licenses based on a clean record which a responsible person has. Same way they give people driving licenses that pass their test. They give you the benefit of the doubt, based on your history thus far, that you will act responsible.
    I've seen some irresponsible shooters and I'm sure others have aswell.
    Not everyone who owns a gun is responsible. Let's be honest.
    Good man. ICABS is that way
    >


    The responsibility issue has taken centre stage and the other points ignored so i'll recap. It was said by loch na mona that animals need protection, they have it. Capercaile came on as soon as loch na mona disappeared and said it needs more, well then lobby your local TD. Hunters/shooters are responsible people. As firearm owners we have to be. Act the maggot, or dick and you loose your gun. Therefore you are no longer a firearm owner and hence firearm owners are responsible.

    Making comments against shooter/hunters, accusing them of shooting fully protected birds (seriously), and then accusing them of being irresponsible is at best insulting and worse defamatory.
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  • #47
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    Then you should have taken action. The fact you didn't means it never happened or you're exaggerating a situation to suit your argument.
    .

    I took appropriate action. I fúcked them out of it and warned them never to set foot on the farm again. They apologized and we left it at that. If they had repeated the action I would have taken further action. Believe what you want

    As firearm owners we have to be. Act the maggot, or dick and you loose your gun. Therefore you are no longer a firearm owner and hence firearm owners are responsible.
    That's a ridiculous comment. If a firearm owners breaks the law, he immediately ceases being a legal firearm owner. Therefore no firearm owner commits a crime???


  • #48
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Capercaille wrote: »
    I took appropriate action. I fúcked them out of it and warned them never to set foot on the farm again. They apologized and we left it at that. If they had repeated the action I would have taken further action. Believe what you want
    I will, thanks.
    Why are you including me in those groups?
    Perhaps you would be good enough to point out your name in that post.
    That's a ridiculous comment. If a firearm owners breaks the law, he immediately ceases being a legal firearm owner. Therefore no firearm owner commits a crime???
    You read that wrong.

    If you act the maggot, you loose your gun. Hence you must be responsible otherwise that is the result/consequence. What kind of fool thinks if someone is caught doing something, then gets stopped, looses their guns, that the group they were part of remains unsullied as they are no longer part of it?

    How about the rest of loach na moan's your points? Protection of animals, animals being animals does not justify hunting them, etc.
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  • #49
    dodderangler
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    Pretty sure a Big Mac is €4:20 and €6:65 for meal :)


  • #50
    Cass
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    I live in the sticks. The only big mac here is my fat uncle.
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  • #51
    dodderangler
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    Cass wrote: »
    I live in the sticks. The only big mac here is my fat uncle.

    Near spilled me beer with that one.
    An pretty fcukin hungry now


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  • #52
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    If you act the maggot, you loose your gun. Hence you must be responsible otherwise that is the result/consequence. .
    That's stops anybody from acting illegally so.
    How about the rest of loach na moan's your points? Protection of animals, animals being animals does not justify hunting them, etc
    Might want to ask Laoch na Mona that since I didn't make those points.


  • #53
    Cass
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    That's stops anybody from acting illegally so.
    At last, some agreement.
    Might want to ask Laoch na Mona that since I didn't make those points.
    I was. You decided to join in so and took over from where s/he left off.
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  • #54
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Cass wrote: »
    At last, some agreement.

    Yes since you said that 99.99% of licensed firearm owners in Ireland are law-abiding, there should be no problems then. I guessing there are around 240,000 licensed firearm holders in Ireland. 0.01% are irresponsible, that is around 24 people . The 24 people are responsible for the deer poaching problem/shooting snipe on my farm/Shooting protected species.


  • #55
    Sparks
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    When Microsoft used that tactic in the 90s we called it FUD.
    Hasn't gotten anywhere closer to being correct since then...


  • #56
    Capercaille
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Capercaille


    Sparks wrote: »
    When Microsoft used that tactic in the 90s we called it FUD.
    Hasn't gotten anywhere closer to being correct since then...

    Apologies, I don't get you?


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