Irish IQ Lower than some other countries :)

Bootros Bootros · 18-01-2015 02:07AM

However you can defeat Eramen on the low irish IQ by assuming that IQ or equivalent tests like PISA are in fact valid. In the US irish-Americans also do better than the White american average.

Karl Stein · 18-01-2015 02:09AM

Eramen, will you respond to post my post #55 please. I'd like to know where you're getting your information from.

Venus In Furs · 18-01-2015 02:12AM

Bootros Bootros wrote: »

Yeah. Our brains are neuro-plastic. Just like an athlete uses his muscles.

Aye, the idea of someone having little or no education and being a genius is really nice - and it can happen - but it's rare. Usually your IQ is your education. As you say, the brain is like a muscle - the more it's used, the more efficient and effective it is.

From what I observe, people who aren't the brightest tend not to be educated. When I say education, I don't just mean school/college, but self education too. I think lots of us will know people who never had much of a formal education, left school early and so on, but devour books and journals and newspapers of their own volition, and are as bright as a button.
Of course there are obviously people who are more intelligent than others, but that intelligence still needs to be nurtured usually.

And there are obviously people who are educated who are still fairly thick.

Tin Foil Hat · 18-01-2015 02:17AM

conorh91 wrote: »

I don't know whether intelligence has a biological component, but it seems credible. If genetic material can be translated into proteins that code for height, skin, eye colour and bone density I don't see why they shouldn't necessarily code for proteins in the brain that determine one's analytical and reasoning skills, or ability to process and retain information.

It's not 'bollox' just because it isn't popular.

It quite obviously does. Otherwise, how could it possibly have evolved? It's not a coincidence that pretty much every human is far more intelligent than pretty much every chimpanzee. We have a common ancestor who lived about 6 million years ago, but we traveled on different branches on the evolutionary tree. We evolved to have high intelligence, passed down, and improved upon, through the generations, and they didn't. The huge intelligence gap between our species is nothing more than an accumulation of intelligence based natural selection across hundreds of thousands of generations.

Environmental factors are enormous, though. The brain is an extremely malleable organ. It's development is literally physically dependent on intellectual stimulation. As an extreme example, there are cases of feral children - children who have been abandoned by their parents and have managed to survive in the wild, away from human contact - who have been rescued and taken into care. These children are unable to learn complex language. That ship has sailed as far as normal human intellectual development is concerned. They make some progress. They are human after all, and you can no more strip an human of its human intelligence than you can teach a domesticated chimpanzee to do long division.

JonEBGud · 18-01-2015 02:45AM

The Irish "I'm Queer" might have religious connotations.

Victor · 18-01-2015 03:05AM

Interesting how it suggests that only about 20% of the world's population has an IQ at or above average. :rolleyes:

Wompa1 · 18-01-2015 06:23AM

Lower than some countries...I'd take that. It wouldn't surprise me that Ireland was lower than some countries in IQ....meh

Not too surprised by the whole being welcoming thing either.

Tarzana2 · 18-01-2015 08:05AM

conorh91 wrote: »

It's not 'bollox' just because it isn't popular.

No, it's bollocks because there's no real evidence as of now to back it up.

Colinf1212 · 18-01-2015 08:49AM

"Lynn performed an exhaustive literature search for all Jewish IQ studies in America, and presented the 32 examples he found, ranging in date from 1920 to the present day. He then noted the intriguing fact that Jewish IQs had substantially risen relative to white gentile scores during the course of the 20th century. Jewish IQ had averaged 101.5 in the first 14 studies from 1920-1937, then 107 in the nine studies from 1944-1960, and finally 111 in the last nine studies from 1970-2008. All these results had been separately normed against a fixed IQ of 100 for the average white population.

A relative rise of 10 IQ points over just eighty-odd years in America seems unlikely to have any biological or genetic explanation, so it must be cultural or socio-economic in origin, hence an example of what I call the “Super-Flynn Effect.” Presumably, the underlying factors are somewhat similar to those which produced Ireland’s rise of 13 IQ points in the three decades after 1972, or the 15-20 point relative rise in the very low 1920s IQs of Greek, Italian, and Slav immigrants to America, or the recent rise in Mexican-American IQs."

Absolute insanity I would be banned from the AH for a week for saying not to date Irish women because there are better options in the EU yet saying Irish people are genetically intellectually inferior is completely fine. Your small country syndrome knows no bounds you poisonous bigoted cretins. 10/10 moderation btw.

Day Lewin · 18-01-2015 09:57AM

A test only reveals a measure of whatever it tested FOR. If you test for things that result from formal education, then the results will show a favourable picture of those who have received formal education - e.g. Wealthy westernized countries.

As far as I know, most modern research indicates that IQ is more heritable than environmental. [twin studies, adoption studies, etc]

and might we assume from the article in OP that anyone who hasn't had much education must be "stupid"? Confusing cause and effect, there!

These kind of "studies" are only a way of proving what you already know, or think you know. They don't add to any real knowledge.

764dak · 18-01-2015 10:01AM

Letree wrote: »

I would guess countries that place a high value and spend a lot of time on mathematics based subjects would do quite well. Our kids waste a massive amount of time on a dead language and religion.

Actually, language has a higher correlation with intelligence than mathematics.

OMD · 18-01-2015 10:28AM

Average IQ is between 85 and 115 with the average usually taken as 100. Less than 70 implies learning disabled.

This map does not even go up to 115 but starts at 59 which is odd.The average score for the world should be 100 or else the test is not really an IQ test. The whole point of IQ scores is that they are based on a bell shaped curve around 100.

Also the map is easily used by racists as it "proves" that Africans and Indians are simply not as smart as White Europeans, Americans and Australians. It implies the average person in most African countries is learning disabled. Really?

It is clearly a bull**** map with no scientific basis but more than that it is dangerous. That is before you even get into the validity of IQ scores at all.

NotCominBack · 18-01-2015 10:44AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Did you intend to make a point?

If you cant see the point in that post then please change nationality as you are bringing our average down

bnt · 18-01-2015 11:22AM

Don't forget that IQ figures are relative measurements, not absolute "intelligence numbers". The test results are statistically rebased so that the average is 100 with a standard deviation of 15. The Flynn Effect, therefore, doesn't cause the average IQ score to increase. The effect has been seen more in developing countries than in developed countries - but because the results are relative, if it happens in all countries, you wouldn't see it reflected in IQ results.

It does make it difficult to use past results for comparison e.g. according to one researcher, if schoolkids in the USA in 1932 took a modern IQ test and had their results mixed in with modern results, the average IQ of US schoolkids would have been around 80. The causes of the overall improvement since then is debateable, but nutrition and intellectual stimulation apparently have a lot to do with it. I suspect Ireland would have seen a similar effect.

Streetwalker · 18-01-2015 11:24AM

We keep voting political movements the ilk of FG and FF back into power so yeah I'd have to agree with it.

wildefalcon · 18-01-2015 11:27AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.

Interesting thought - on an individual level is there any research linking intelligence(or IQ - which is an avatar for academic intelligence) and wealth?

Amirani · 18-01-2015 11:31AM

764dak wrote: »

Actually, language has a higher correlation with intelligence than mathematics.

How are you quantifying intelligence here?

764dak · 18-01-2015 11:51AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

How are you quantifying intelligence here?

Studies have shown that linguistic abilities correlate with IQ, grades at school, programming ability etc.

CramCycle · 18-01-2015 11:59AM

I would recommend anyone who hasn't, watch Race and intelligence" on Channel 4, gives a nice broad view of the flaws and issues with IQ tests.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2015 12:29PM

If you're the type of idiot who puts sway in IQ tests as reliable you shouldn't need to take them to get a good indication of your intelligence.

NotCominBack · 18-01-2015 02:19PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

If you're the type of idiot who puts sway in IQ tests as reliable you shouldn't need to take them to get a good indication of your intelligence.

Then how else do we separate ourselves from the dumb?

steddyeddy · 18-01-2015 02:20PM

NotCominBack wrote: »

Then how else do we separate ourselves from the dumb?

Achievements, inventions and discoveries rather than sit around all day telling people you're in Mensa. The old fashioned way.

18-01-2015 02:21PM

I think its true sure do you every see them one toothed big handed lads in the West of Ireland. Sure they must have a low iq

conorh91 · 18-01-2015 02:22PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

It quite obviously does. Otherwise, how could it possibly have evolved?

You're talking about a very general type of mental capacity, which clearly is a biological trait of humankind. I was referring specifically to what we might better-describe as a capacity for intellectual activities, such as may be indicated by IQ scores.

It isn't clear to me that this latter kind of 'intelligence' is mostly biological, but it seems credible that it would be.

steddyeddy · 18-01-2015 02:23PM

How about explaining what I.Q is in biological terms? Instead of using some sort of artificial construct as a definite measure of intelligence.

NotCominBack · 18-01-2015 02:24PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Achievements, inventions and discoveries rather than sit around all day telling people you're in Mensa. The old fashioned way.

You mean luck? You do know Christopher Columbus placed a boy at the head of his ship and said, "if you see the edge of this fecker then Holla"

steddyeddy · 18-01-2015 02:26PM

NotCominBack wrote: »

You mean luck? You do know Christopher Columbus placed a boy at the head of his ship and said, "if you see the edge of this fecker then Holla"

Was Newton lucky too?

NotCominBack · 18-01-2015 04:01PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Was Newton lucky too?

Isaac or Eddie?

ClovenHoof · 18-01-2015 04:18PM

Fluoride in the drinking water is the only factor which can account for this.

QUEUE: Civil Servants and Comments about Jim Corr and Lizards.

These people who deny that Sodium Fluoride in the drinking is causing neurological damage in Irish brains will have to die off - just like their grandparents had to die off so that the contraception and mother and child bill was able to come in, and their own parents likewise had to die off for Gay rights to come in.

The Irish are like this. We do not confront the truth, we spend a generation denying it and wait for the harsh reality to die off with the next generation.

Sodium Fluoride in the drinking water. Ireland most disastrous - initially well meaning - public health policy.

ToddyDoody · 18-01-2015 05:13PM

Who needs an intelligent population anyway?