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Irish IQ Lower than some other countries :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

    Personaly having a daughter intending on going on to uni I take it with a pinch of salt but have a look and see if you agree or disagree

    http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2812


    But on a good note we seem to be more "welcoming" than others around the globe

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/21/a-fascinating-map-of-countries-color-coded-by-their-openness-to-foreigners/

    No.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Boll*xology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Desolation Of Smug


    Yes, but our EQ is waaay higher than everyone elses. Possibly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Wha????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    Don't know why people put such stock in IQ scores. They've been called out for being culturally biased for years.That map just lends stock to that criticism.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Venus In Furs


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.
    Holy misleading Batman!

    It's in the second ranking out of six. It's the same as France, Germany and Canada.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭ChunkyLover54


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

    Leaving aside the dubiousness of that study, we still come in at joint 16th in the world.

    I think we can introduce a new stereotype of the "thick Equatorial Guinean" if we go by the global iq rankings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    There's nothing wrong with my eyesight. My eyesight's perfect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Yes, but our EQ is waaay higher than everyone elses. Possibly.

    Hey, don't have a hissy fit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    Who cares? It's a ****e show anyway.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    There's more to having brains than being smart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,037 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Einstein could not speak a word till he was three and could never tie his own shoelases

    its all bull****


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

    iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

    They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
    - Charlie Haughey
    - John Bruton
    - Bertie Ahern
    - Brian Cowan
    - Enda Kenny

    how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Mr_Muffin


    Does anyone actually take these kinda tests seriously?


    LOL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,628 ✭✭✭Señor Fancy Pants


    Me so dum me not no how spell IQ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Don't know why people put such stock in IQ scores. They've been called out for being culturally biased for years.That map just lends stock to that criticism.


    IQ has a correlation with a lot of things, from what job you will work, how much you will earn per annum, how many kids you will have, to even what your potential lifespan will be. Some jobs around the globe in fact require an IQ test, because of these numerous correlations.

    I tend to put stock in their accuracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    IQ + 'x' population = SFA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
    - Charlie Haughey
    - John Bruton
    - Bertie Ahern
    - Brian Cowan
    - Enda Kenny

    how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

    You're a fan of Albert Reynolds so

    Logical reasoning in the IQ thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Venus In Furs


    Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
    - Charlie Haughey
    - John Bruton
    - Bertie Ahern
    - Brian Cowan
    - Enda Kenny

    how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?
    Expecting those Irish people (over there) to be able to see into the future is a bit too much of a demand on their intelligence in fairness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
    - Charlie Haughey
    - John Bruton
    - Bertie Ahern
    - Brian Cowan
    - Enda Kenny

    how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

    Well, countries who elected George Bush, Gordon Brown, Nicolas Sarkozy, etc.

    Stupidity?

    Some of our leaders are light years ahead of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

    iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

    They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.


    IQ doesn't equate anything with anything. IQ CORRELATES with being rich (among other things). If you can't understand why that's fine but don't equate ignorance with knowledge.

    IQ isn't a perfect measure of intelligence but it's really useful to estimate how successful people will be.

    What was your point again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    I love how the north is slightly cleverer than the south - it just goes to show how useless trying to apply IQ to a political territory is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭heldel00


    Don't underestimate IQ and the value some hold it in.
    I have a child in my class with speech&lang delay and he missed out on getting resource hours at school by the tiniest percentage in his IQ test. Will not receive any additional help for rest of years in primary school because of this. Huge game changer for both this poor child and his very hard working, dedicated parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    I think it's a bit rash to dismiss the usefulness of IQ tests.

    It's not that they are necessarily a comprehensive indicator of a person's intelligence, much less their value in society, but I would have assumed they are a reflection of a particular type of general intelligence: that which is required for analysis, logical deduction and mathematical reasoning. In other words, the kind of traits required by employers.

    I'm surprised that the Irish score is comparatively low by EU standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    heldel00 wrote: »
    Don't underestimate IQ and the value some hold it in.
    I have a child in my class we eat ech&lang delay and he missed out on getting resource hours at school by the tiniest percentage in his IQ test. Will not receive any additional help for rest of years in primary school because of this. Huge game changer for both this poor child and his very hard working, dedicated parents.

    To be fair that's an issue with applying resources based on IQ. They could use a graduated system to better effect. IQ is the best estimate of potential we have and it happens to be really useful.

    Forrest Gump demonstrates how a complete idiot could become successful but the movie was remarkable because of how unlikely it was. Yet people claim IQ testing is silly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    My kid is doing his Junior cert this year.

    They have one book/story to learn and it will be on the test.

    When i did the Inter we had 9 books/stories and didnt know which 3 would be on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    My kid is doing his Junior cert this year.

    They have one book/story to learn and it will be on the test.

    When i did the Inter we had 9 books/stories and didnt know which 3 would be on it.

    Did you intend to make a point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    What was the sample size i wonder. It wouldn't surprise me anyway. Our best and brightest have been leaving our shores for generations.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    Letree wrote: »
    What was the sample size i wonder. It wouldn't surprise me anyway. Our best and brightest have been leaving our shores for generations.


    This. Would be interesting seeing the results if they only took people wearing tracksuits of the streets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Eramen wrote: »
    IQ has a correlation with a lot of things, from what job you will work, how much you will earn per annum, how many kids you will have, to even what your potential lifespan will be. Some jobs around the globe in fact require an IQ test, because of these numerous correlations.

    I tend to put stock in their accuracy.


    The level of education attained and amount earned by your parents also correlates with those things. Being vegetarian correlates with higher IQ iirc. I'm trying not to say that thing that people say on the internet all the time, but things which correlate with each other often do so because they each have a causal relation to some shared third factor rather than a causal relationship with each other.

    I wouldn't dismiss IQ tests (I mean, I wouldn't think too many thicks score 120+), but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Someone less intelligent than me who's taken several internet IQ tests over the past week could beat me because I haven't taken any (internet or proper) IQ test in years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,124 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

    iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

    They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.

    The 'study' doesn't suggest that it's anything more than poinless

    No need to get the auld knickers in a knot over it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    It just means I'm more above average than I thought. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I would have thought Ireland would be somewhere in the middle of the developed nations.

    What would people think if Ireland was way out in front or way behind?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hereby apologize for bringing the side down. I do so LOVE answering questionnaires and studies when they come about. I love the little boxes and as Arlo guthrie says in Alices Restrurant from group W "I had fun playing with the pencils".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    The level of education attained and amount earned by your parents also correlates with those things. Being vegetarian correlates with higher IQ iirc. I'm trying not to say that thing that people say on the internet all the time, but things which correlate with each other often do so because they each have a causal relation to some shared third factor rather than a causal relationship with each other.

    I wouldn't dismiss IQ tests (I mean, I wouldn't think too many thicks score 120+), but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Someone less intelligent than me who's taken several internet IQ tests over the past week could beat me because I haven't taken any (internet or proper) IQ test in years.

    I would guess countries that place a high value and spend a lot of time on mathematics based subjects would do quite well. Our kids waste a massive amount of time on a dead language and religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    I would have thought Ireland would be somewhere in the middle of the developed nations.

    What would people think if Ireland was way out in front or way behind?


    Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

    This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

    Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

    We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

    One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭MissyFit


    Possibly due to the fluoride in our water supply


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,196 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

    Personaly having a daughter intending on going on to uni...

    I assume her mother is English?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    I'm quite surprised at Israel being 95. There was a study done years ago where ashkenazi jews were said to have an average IQ of 115.

    It would really need to be done on a very large sample of students from each country.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Eramen wrote: »
    IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area.

    Bollocks. Utter bollocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    Eramen wrote: »
    Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

    This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

    Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

    We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

    One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.

    Where did these people come from and what reason would you have for believing they were less intelligent to start with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭stretchdoe


    As a redditor with an IQ of 210, i'm confident in my assertion that IQ tests are a load of me hoop.

    Nevertheless, a tip of the ol' dora to the OP and all who sail within this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Eramen wrote: »
    Haha, the equality god is a lie.

    I have no idea what an 'equality god' is.
    A study (1999) by Capron and Duyme of French children adopted between the ages of four and six examined the influence of socioeconomic status (SES). The children's IQs initially averaged 77, putting them near retardation. Most were abused or neglected as infants, then shunted from one foster home or institution to the next. Nine years later after adoption, when they were on average 14 years old, they retook the IQ tests, and all of them did better. The amount they improved was directly related to the adopting family's socioeconomic status. "Children adopted by farmers and laborers had average IQ scores of 85.5; those placed with middle-class families had average scores of 92. The average IQ scores of youngsters placed in well-to-do homes climbed more than 20 points, to 98.

    David L. Kirp (July 23, 2006). "After the Bell Curve" . New York Times Magazine.

    If biology was such a determining factor environment would have little influence on IQ. Frankly, trying to apply IQ to large populations and claiming that it is inherited has no scientific usefulness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Bollocks. Utter bollocks.
    I don't know whether intelligence has a biological component, but it seems credible. If genetic material can be translated into proteins that code for height, skin, eye colour and bone density I don't see why they shouldn't necessarily code for proteins in the brain that determine one's analytical and reasoning skills, or ability to process and retain information.

    It's not 'bollox' just because it isn't popular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭route9


    Me not do IQ test good? That's unpossible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    I have no idea what an 'equality god' is.


    It means that we humans are diverse only by virtue of our genes, and that differences in body, mind and culture stem from the biological divergences of the assorted peoples of the world. Biology is important, extremely important.

    'Equality god' is the modern superstition that all people are exactly the same at all times, in all places, effectively giving the finger to Darwin/evolution.

    Equality is not possible. Only hierarchy is possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
    - Charlie Haughey
    - John Bruton
    - Bertie Ahern
    - Brian Cowan
    - Enda Kenny

    how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

    Bit harsh on Mr Bruton there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,196 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Eramen wrote: »
    It means that we humans are diverse only by virtue of our genes, and that differences in body, mind and culture stem from the biological divergences of the assorted peoples of the world. Biology is important, extremely important.

    'Equality god' is the modern superstition that all people are exactly the same at all times, in all places, effectively giving the finger to Darwin/evolution.

    Equality is not possible. Only hierarchy is possible.

    "Equality" is what the dumb start bawling for when the rest of us have subdued all the sabre-tooth tigers ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,897 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Eramen wrote: »
    Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

    This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

    Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

    We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

    One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.

    I would like to add to your first paragraph. You forgot the cultural side. If your culture values education and intellectual stimulation, then individuals will tend to be better able for IQ tests and life.

    Pick a group who don't value traditional education like travellers and you will find they score lower on IQ tests. They might have the gray matter but if they never learn to read they will be more likely to berrepresented in the tarmacking industry than the medical industry.

    The rest of your post is fascinating and I would like to learn more about it


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