Irish IQ Lower than some other countries :)

Spook_ie

So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

Personaly having a daughter intending on going on to uni I take it with a pinch of salt but have a look and see if you agree or disagree

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2812


But on a good note we seem to be more "welcoming" than others around the globe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/21/a-fascinating-map-of-countries-color-coded-by-their-openness-to-foreigners/

Birneybau

Spook_ie wrote: »

So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

Personaly having a daughter intending on going on to uni I take it with a pinch of salt but have a look and see if you agree or disagree

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2812


But on a good note we seem to be more "welcoming" than others around the globe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/21/a-fascinating-map-of-countries-color-coded-by-their-openness-to-foreigners/

No.

The_Valeyard

Boll*xology.

Desolation Of Smug

Yes, but our EQ is waaay higher than everyone elses. Possibly.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Wha????

pablomakaveli

Don't know why people put such stock in IQ scores. They've been called out for being culturally biased for years.That map just lends stock to that criticism.

Venus In Furs

Spook_ie wrote: »

So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

Holy misleading Batman!

It's in the second ranking out of six. It's the same as France, Germany and Canada.

ChunkyLover54

Spook_ie wrote: »

So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

Leaving aside the dubiousness of that study, we still come in at joint 16th in the world.

I think we can introduce a new stereotype of the "thick Equatorial Guinean" if we go by the global iq rankings.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

There's nothing wrong with my eyesight. My eyesight's perfect.

Donkey Oaty

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

Yes, but our EQ is waaay higher than everyone elses. Possibly.

Hey, don't have a hissy fit.

AboutaWeekAgo

Who cares? It's a ****e show anyway.

The Backwards Man

There's more to having brains than being smart.

SEPT 23 1989

Einstein could not speak a word till he was three and could never tie his own shoelases

its all bull****

Mr. Incognito

This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.

Sheldons Brain

Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
- Charlie Haughey
- John Bruton
- Bertie Ahern
- Brian Cowan
- Enda Kenny

how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

Mr_Muffin

Does anyone actually take these kinda tests seriously?


LOL

Señor Fancy Pants

Me so dum me not no how spell IQ

Eramen

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Don't know why people put such stock in IQ scores. They've been called out for being culturally biased for years.That map just lends stock to that criticism.

IQ has a correlation with a lot of things, from what job you will work, how much you will earn per annum, how many kids you will have, to even what your potential lifespan will be. Some jobs around the globe in fact require an IQ test, because of these numerous correlations.

I tend to put stock in their accuracy.

Karl Stein

IQ + 'x' population = SFA.

mikemac1

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
- Charlie Haughey
- John Bruton
- Bertie Ahern
- Brian Cowan
- Enda Kenny

how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

You're a fan of Albert Reynolds so

Logical reasoning in the IQ thread

Venus In Furs

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
- Charlie Haughey
- John Bruton
- Bertie Ahern
- Brian Cowan
- Enda Kenny

how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

Expecting those Irish people (over there) to be able to see into the future is a bit too much of a demand on their intelligence in fairness.

The_Valeyard

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
- Charlie Haughey
- John Bruton
- Bertie Ahern
- Brian Cowan
- Enda Kenny

how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

Well, countries who elected George Bush, Gordon Brown, Nicolas Sarkozy, etc.

Stupidity?

Some of our leaders are light years ahead of them.

El_Duderino 09

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.

IQ doesn't equate anything with anything. IQ CORRELATES with being rich (among other things). If you can't understand why that's fine but don't equate ignorance with knowledge.

IQ isn't a perfect measure of intelligence but it's really useful to estimate how successful people will be.

What was your point again?

Karl Stein

I love how the north is slightly cleverer than the south - it just goes to show how useless trying to apply IQ to a political territory is.

heldel00

Don't underestimate IQ and the value some hold it in.
I have a child in my class with speech&lang delay and he missed out on getting resource hours at school by the tiniest percentage in his IQ test. Will not receive any additional help for rest of years in primary school because of this. Huge game changer for both this poor child and his very hard working, dedicated parents.

conorh91

I think it's a bit rash to dismiss the usefulness of IQ tests.

It's not that they are necessarily a comprehensive indicator of a person's intelligence, much less their value in society, but I would have assumed they are a reflection of a particular type of general intelligence: that which is required for analysis, logical deduction and mathematical reasoning. In other words, the kind of traits required by employers.

I'm surprised that the Irish score is comparatively low by EU standards.

El_Duderino 09

heldel00 wrote: »

Don't underestimate IQ and the value some hold it in.
I have a child in my class we eat ech&lang delay and he missed out on getting resource hours at school by the tiniest percentage in his IQ test. Will not receive any additional help for rest of years in primary school because of this. Huge game changer for both this poor child and his very hard working, dedicated parents.

To be fair that's an issue with applying resources based on IQ. They could use a graduated system to better effect. IQ is the best estimate of potential we have and it happens to be really useful.

Forrest Gump demonstrates how a complete idiot could become successful but the movie was remarkable because of how unlikely it was. Yet people claim IQ testing is silly

dreamers75

My kid is doing his Junior cert this year.

They have one book/story to learn and it will be on the test.

When i did the Inter we had 9 books/stories and didnt know which 3 would be on it.

El_Duderino 09

dreamers75 wrote: »

My kid is doing his Junior cert this year.

They have one book/story to learn and it will be on the test.

When i did the Inter we had 9 books/stories and didnt know which 3 would be on it.

Did you intend to make a point?

Letree

What was the sample size i wonder. It wouldn't surprise me anyway. Our best and brightest have been leaving our shores for generations.

DoYouEvenLift

Letree wrote: »

What was the sample size i wonder. It wouldn't surprise me anyway. Our best and brightest have been leaving our shores for generations.

This. Would be interesting seeing the results if they only took people wearing tracksuits of the streets.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Eramen wrote: »

IQ has a correlation with a lot of things, from what job you will work, how much you will earn per annum, how many kids you will have, to even what your potential lifespan will be. Some jobs around the globe in fact require an IQ test, because of these numerous correlations.

I tend to put stock in their accuracy.

The level of education attained and amount earned by your parents also correlates with those things. Being vegetarian correlates with higher IQ iirc. I'm trying not to say that thing that people say on the internet all the time, but things which correlate with each other often do so because they each have a causal relation to some shared third factor rather than a causal relationship with each other.

I wouldn't dismiss IQ tests (I mean, I wouldn't think too many thicks score 120+), but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Someone less intelligent than me who's taken several internet IQ tests over the past week could beat me because I haven't taken any (internet or proper) IQ test in years.

My name is URL

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This IQ seems to equate to richer countries being top which frankly is just stupid.

iQ tests themselves dont measure intelligence.

They about as useful a guide to intelligence as hair colour.

The 'study' doesn't suggest that it's anything more than poinless

No need to get the auld knickers in a knot over it

Westernyelp

It just means I'm more above average than I thought.

El_Duderino 09

I would have thought Ireland would be somewhere in the middle of the developed nations.

What would people think if Ireland was way out in front or way behind?

I hereby apologize for bringing the side down. I do so LOVE answering questionnaires and studies when they come about. I love the little boxes and as Arlo guthrie says in Alices Restrurant from group W "I had fun playing with the pencils".

Letree

Lyla Odd Nursery wrote: »

The level of education attained and amount earned by your parents also correlates with those things. Being vegetarian correlates with higher IQ iirc. I'm trying not to say that thing that people say on the internet all the time, but things which correlate with each other often do so because they each have a causal relation to some shared third factor rather than a causal relationship with each other.

I wouldn't dismiss IQ tests (I mean, I wouldn't think too many thicks score 120+), but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Someone less intelligent than me who's taken several internet IQ tests over the past week could beat me because I haven't taken any (internet or proper) IQ test in years.

I would guess countries that place a high value and spend a lot of time on mathematics based subjects would do quite well. Our kids waste a massive amount of time on a dead language and religion.

Eramen

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I would have thought Ireland would be somewhere in the middle of the developed nations.

What would people think if Ireland was way out in front or way behind?

Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.

MissyFit

Possibly due to the fluoride in our water supply

jimgoose

Spook_ie wrote: »

So it would seem that research does indicate that IQ varies around the globe and the jibe "thick paddy" may have just a grain of fact behind it.

Personaly having a daughter intending on going on to uni...

I assume her mother is English?

Letree

I'm quite surprised at Israel being 95. There was a study done years ago where ashkenazi jews were said to have an average IQ of 115.

It would really need to be done on a very large sample of students from each country.

Karl Stein

Eramen wrote: »

IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area.

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Letree

Eramen wrote: »

Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.

Where did these people come from and what reason would you have for believing they were less intelligent to start with.

stretchdoe

As a redditor with an IQ of 210, i'm confident in my assertion that IQ tests are a load of me hoop.

Nevertheless, a tip of the ol' dora to the OP and all who sail within this thread.

Karl Stein

Eramen wrote: »

Haha, the equality god is a lie.

I have no idea what an 'equality god' is.

A study (1999) by Capron and Duyme of French children adopted between the ages of four and six examined the influence of socioeconomic status (SES). The children's IQs initially averaged 77, putting them near retardation. Most were abused or neglected as infants, then shunted from one foster home or institution to the next. Nine years later after adoption, when they were on average 14 years old, they retook the IQ tests, and all of them did better. The amount they improved was directly related to the adopting family's socioeconomic status. "Children adopted by farmers and laborers had average IQ scores of 85.5; those placed with middle-class families had average scores of 92. The average IQ scores of youngsters placed in well-to-do homes climbed more than 20 points, to 98.

David L. Kirp (July 23, 2006). "After the Bell Curve" . New York Times Magazine.

If biology was such a determining factor environment would have little influence on IQ. Frankly, trying to apply IQ to large populations and claiming that it is inherited has no scientific usefulness.

conorh91

Karl Stein wrote: »

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

I don't know whether intelligence has a biological component, but it seems credible. If genetic material can be translated into proteins that code for height, skin, eye colour and bone density I don't see why they shouldn't necessarily code for proteins in the brain that determine one's analytical and reasoning skills, or ability to process and retain information.

It's not 'bollox' just because it isn't popular.

route9

Me not do IQ test good? That's unpossible.

Eramen

Karl Stein wrote: »

I have no idea what an 'equality god' is.

It means that we humans are diverse only by virtue of our genes, and that differences in body, mind and culture stem from the biological divergences of the assorted peoples of the world. Biology is important, extremely important.

'Equality god' is the modern superstition that all people are exactly the same at all times, in all places, effectively giving the finger to Darwin/evolution.

Equality is not possible. Only hierarchy is possible.

Pawwed Rig

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

Well Irish people have chosen these people to represent them
- Charlie Haughey
- John Bruton
- Bertie Ahern
- Brian Cowan
- Enda Kenny

how could you accuse such a people of stupidity?

Bit harsh on Mr Bruton there.

jimgoose

Eramen wrote: »

It means that we humans are diverse only by virtue of our genes, and that differences in body, mind and culture stem from the biological divergences of the assorted peoples of the world. Biology is important, extremely important.

'Equality god' is the modern superstition that all people are exactly the same at all times, in all places, effectively giving the finger to Darwin/evolution.

Equality is not possible. Only hierarchy is possible.

"Equality" is what the dumb start bawling for when the rest of us have subdued all the sabre-tooth tigers

El_Duderino 09

Eramen wrote: »

Another poster was correct when he said that IQ can't really be applied to political areas.

This is because IQ is more tied to human biology rather than geographic area. Age, sex, ethnic group, health etc have bigger impacts and are more important factors on IQ/intelligence.

Ireland has a sizable portion of partial pre-indo-European people (aboriginal Europeans) located especially in the West of the country, as does Northern Scotland.

We are slightly less genetically related to our European brethren and intelligence is one area that manifests as an outward difference. Whereas the European IQ average is concentrated around 97-102 we hover at 94-96.

One can also see by phenotype the partial aboriginal origins of our people in about 20-25% of our population. It's very interesting stuff.

I would like to add to your first paragraph. You forgot the cultural side. If your culture values education and intellectual stimulation, then individuals will tend to be better able for IQ tests and life.

Pick a group who don't value traditional education like travellers and you will find they score lower on IQ tests. They might have the gray matter but if they never learn to read they will be more likely to berrepresented in the tarmacking industry than the medical industry.

The rest of your post is fascinating and I would like to learn more about it