Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

bullvine · 15-01-2015 02:02PM

Liam O wrote: »

Evans is far better than Smalling who didn't even look like a League 1 team were his level recently.

Evans has been beyond useless in every game hes played this season, Smalling has been nowhere near as bad as him.

bangkok · 15-01-2015 02:02PM

bullvine wrote: »

Evans has been beyond useless in every game hes played this season, Smalling has been nowhere near as bad as him.

and neither have been as bad as paddy mcnair

Headshot · 15-01-2015 02:04PM

They are all ****e

Leroy42 · 15-01-2015 02:04PM

So we haven't actually signed anybody as of yet this transfer window? Is that right?

And only Fletcher is a possible move out?

RobertKK · 15-01-2015 02:05PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

Our next two league games are three o'clock kickoffs on Saturday. Leicester at home after this weekend, that'll be on the 31st.

Non-BS merchants on the United thread on Football 365 have said that De Gea has signed a new contract and it will be announced soon. The place is good for news, often earlier than most places though not to the degree of the Sanc on either. We'll see.

On MUTV last night, on United in Press, they said De Gea is going to sign a new contract and Van Gaal had no worries about it.

RobertKK · 15-01-2015 02:06PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

So we haven't actually signed anybody as of yet this transfer window? Is that right?

And only Fletcher is a possible move out?

Victor Valdes.

TheDoc · 15-01-2015 02:06PM

Sure what do contracts even mean anymore. totally useless since you can rarely, if ever, hold a player to that contract.

I don't see De Gea penning a new deal as any sign of comfort or commitment. He get's a paybump for his improved stature in the team and performances. Fair enough.

But it also gives us a pretty big payout if someone does come in to buy him.

The only rush I saw on the contract front is avoid letting him wind it down and going on a free. I don't think it is any indication of tieing the player down for five years or anything like that. I genuinelly hope he does stay for a long time, but I don't see a contract as a sign of that.

RobertKK · 15-01-2015 02:10PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Sure what do contracts even mean anymore. totally useless since you can rarely, if ever, hold a player to that contract.

I don't see De Gea penning a new deal as any sign of comfort or commitment. He get's a paybump for his improved stature in the team and performances. Fair enough.

But it also gives us a pretty big payout if someone does come in to buy him.

The only rush I saw on the contract front is avoid letting him wind it down and going on a free. I don't think it is any indication of tieing the player down for five years or anything like that. I genuinelly hope he does stay for a long time, but I don't see a contract as a sign of that.

Yep, that is what was said last night on MUTV, first he is leaving because he hasn't signed the contract yet, when he signs it, it will be a contract means nothing and Real Madrid will do what it takes to get him if they want him, so the talk won't die down.

Blatter · 15-01-2015 02:13PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Sure what do contracts even mean anymore. totally useless since you can rarely, if ever, hold a player to that contract.

I don't see De Gea penning a new deal as any sign of comfort or commitment. He get's a paybump for his improved stature in the team and performances. Fair enough.

But it also gives us a pretty big payout if someone does come in to buy him.

The only rush I saw on the contract front is avoid letting him wind it down and going on a free. I don't think it is any indication of tieing the player down for five years or anything like that. I genuinelly hope he does stay for a long time, but I don't see a contract as a sign of that.

Once he signs a big contract he'd find it difficult to leave IMO. He'd have to do some serious pushing, just like Aguero would to get out of City.

Or if Madrid want to pay a stupidly outrageous fee of £60m+, I personally wouldn't have too many qualms about cashing in.

Winston Payne · 15-01-2015 02:13PM

The contract is just security on our end. Means we'll get more if and when he leaves. If it's signed of course.

TheDoc · 15-01-2015 02:36PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

The contract is just security on our end. Means we'll get more if and when he leaves. If it's signed of course.

To be clear I'm not querying the relevance of a contract. I think we all know what they are for and what it provides for both parties.

But it has long since being a method of ensuring a player won't leave a club.

Mitch Connor · 15-01-2015 02:41PM

If DDG signs a new contract now, I would see it unlikely he will be moving to Real in the summer. If he had a deal lined up with Real they wouldn't want him signing a new contract with United as it would increase the money they have to pay.

keane2097 · 15-01-2015 02:58PM

Headshot wrote: »

They are all ****e

People really need to start realising this.

bangkok · 15-01-2015 03:01PM

id say now 100% de gea will be here next year, Madrid currently have Iker Casillas back in favour and an excellent back up goalkeeper (who I believe should be their no1 right now) so no reason why Madrid would need to buy him next summer. Maybe 2-3 years down the line will be more likely when he will move

Vic Vinegar · 15-01-2015 03:16PM

People keep talking about De Gea and Real Madrid as if that's the only other club he'd play for. I think it's far more likely he'll return to Atletico than go to a hated rival team. It's not like Atletico are a mid table team. Also, believe it or not, some players are still quite loyal on occasion.

Backstreet Moyes · 15-01-2015 03:24PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

People keep talking about De Gea and Real Madrid as if that's the only other club he'd play for. I think it's far more likely he'll return to Atletico than go to a hated rival team. It's not like Atletico are a mid table team. Also, believe it or not, some players are still quite loyal on occasion.

The small problem for Atletico is they can't afford him.

Vic Vinegar · 15-01-2015 03:28PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

The small problem for Atletico is they can't afford him.

They paid £26 million for Griezmann afaik. That's a fair bit.

Maximus Alexander · 15-01-2015 03:28PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Sure what do contracts even mean anymore. totally useless since you can rarely, if ever, hold a player to that contract.

I don't see De Gea penning a new deal as any sign of comfort or commitment. He get's a paybump for his improved stature in the team and performances. Fair enough.

But it also gives us a pretty big payout if someone does come in to buy him.

The only rush I saw on the contract front is avoid letting him wind it down and going on a free. I don't think it is any indication of tieing the player down for five years or anything like that. I genuinelly hope he does stay for a long time, but I don't see a contract as a sign of that.

The longer left on his contract, the higher his value, which reduces the number of clubs capable of buying him. Obviously it doesn't guarantee anything, but it definitely decreases the likelihood of him leaving.

Lord TSC · 15-01-2015 03:34PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

They paid £26 million for Griezmann afaik. That's a fair bit.

Still would only be half the minimum fee we should be getting if we sold him....

Vic Vinegar · 15-01-2015 03:36PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Still would only be half the minimum fee we should be getting if we sold him....

Depends how long is left on his contract i suppose, also, there's always a chance he''ll regress and not be worth as much... it happens, i doubt it will in his case but you never know what'll happen in the future.

FortuneChip · 15-01-2015 03:36PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

People keep talking about De Gea and Real Madrid as if that's the only other club he'd play for. I think it's far more likely he'll return to Atletico than go to a hated rival team. It's not like Atletico are a mid table team. Also, believe it or not, some players are still quite loyal on occasion.

I think it's more a case of Real Madrid's buying power seemingly knowing no bounds.
If rumour circulates about Real Madrid's interest in a player (usually a high-profile player), it gains momentum much faster than interest from another team; Atletico in this case.

beno619 · 15-01-2015 03:47PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

They paid £26 million for Griezmann afaik. That's a fair bit.

26m for a winger isn't as much as 26m for a goalkeeper.

TheDoc · 15-01-2015 04:25PM

beno619 wrote: »

26m for a winger isn't as much as 26m for a goalkeeper.

Think the point being Athletico have money to spend, if they really really want.

Oddly financed club so they normally cant compete for the really big transfers.

TheDoc · 15-01-2015 04:27PM

If true doesn't bold well for Falcao . Seemingly an approach for Dybala rejected

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9645824/Transfer-news-Palermo-claim-Manchester-United-have-enquired-about-Paulo-Dybala

Granted like most Italian owners, talking out of his hole if he expects to land 40m for him.

bucketybuck · 15-01-2015 04:29PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Think the point being Athletico have money to spend, if they really really want.

Oddly financed club so they normally cant compete for the really big transfers.

But its like claiming that because Everton paid £28m for Lukaku that they clearly have money to spend and so would be able to compete for the £50m+ players like De Gea.

Its just not a valid point.

TheDoc · 15-01-2015 04:36PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

But its like claiming that because Everton paid £28m for Lukaku that they clearly have money to spend and so would be able to compete for the £50m+ players like De Gea.

Its just not a valid point.

Well, and we are getting way of point here, it is somewhat valid.

Athletico are backed by a hedge fund, actually, a few hedge funds. They owe massive debts still from when they got relegated coupled with the tough Spanish recession.

With the clubs recent success they've been able to negotiate a number of repayment options to their creditors, while ALSO being able to secure finances from hedge funds when looking to sign new players.

When they signed Falcao for €40m, the Hedge fund supporting them at the time, picked up €20m off that tab.

Typically the club pay a certain % of the transfer fee, and offer a portion to a third party investor. So for example when Falcao was sold to Monaco, as part of the agreement, the Hedge Fund received their original 20m along with 50% of the overall transfer fee.

It's a bit of a roundabout way to fund transfers, whilst the club operates with crippling debt.

What really restricts A.Madrid from competing is they are horrendously wage capped. Last I heard nearly 80-90 percent of their revenue goes on wages for staff and players.

Blatter · 15-01-2015 04:40PM

Atleti were never signing Falcao if they didn't get £40m for Aguero.

Likewise, they wouldn't have spent what they did in the Summer without that £50m from Chelsea for Costa and Felipe Luis.

RobertKK · 15-01-2015 05:14PM

TheDoc wrote: »

If true doesn't bold well for Falcao . Seemingly an approach for Dybala rejected

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9645824/Transfer-news-Palermo-claim-Manchester-United-have-enquired-about-Paulo-Dybala

Granted like most Italian owners, talking out of his hole if he expects to land 40m for him.

Lots of talk about him, and he does get rave reviews, maybe he is signed in the summer.

Whatsisname · 15-01-2015 06:26PM

El Confidential reporting Reus to Madrid for 25m in the summer. Ah we'll take Bale off your hands so lads.

Blatter · 15-01-2015 06:49PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

El Confidential reporting Reus to Madrid for 25m in the summer. Ah we'll take Bale off your hands so lads.

That'd definitely put Bale's future in doubt. There ain't room for all of Benzema, Ronaldo, James, Isco, Reus and Bale.

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