Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

bren2001 · 13-01-2015 12:19PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Muller never even dawned on me. I really don't see Falcao staying on end of term, as I keep saying unless he fires 15+ goals in the last what, 17 games, 40m+ and 200k+ wages a week is a rubbish investment.

But Muller...I never even thought about him. Interesting. I know a lot of people have beef with him but I'm a big fan. Can be a big drifty in and out of games, but he's a pretty unorthodox player that bags plenty of goals. The fact he makes runs and moves accross a backline to create pockets of space is something RVP and Falcao just arn't doing at the moment.

Where has all this Muller talk come from? He extended his contract to 2019. I don't see why he would leave Bayern. I don't like him as a person and think he can be quite dirty but I'd love to have him. Great player.

Billy86 · 13-01-2015 12:36PM

Kirby wrote: »

He is but his best attribute is his finishing....and United already have two good finishers in RVP and Falcao.

I wouldnt know annum that to be honest - he's an extremely good athlete I'm all departments and is very intelligent. He's not the flashy type by and large, but for me his biggest strength is that he is incredibly efficient.

Cantona's Collars · 13-01-2015 12:48PM

https://twitter.com/Metro_Sport/status/554956225541316609

A couple of sources also claiming LVG will let Smalling,Jones,Evans & Rafael leave as "they can't adapt to his methods".

MagicIRL · 13-01-2015 12:55PM

zerks wrote: »

A couple of sources also claiming LVG will let Smalling,Jones,Evans & Rafael leave as "they can't adapt to his methods".

If it turns out to be true, great news.

Constant failures or constantly injured. As much as I like Rafael one his day, he isn't nearly reliable enough. We won't get anywhere with a first choice RB who spends most of it on the physio table.

thelad95 · 13-01-2015 12:55PM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Metro_Sport/status/554956225541316609

A couple of sources also claiming LVG will let Smalling,Jones,Evans & Rafael leave as "they can't adapt to his methods".

Lucas Hood · 13-01-2015 12:58PM

Laporte has a €42m/£33m buyout clause. We all know how difficult Athletic can be to deal with after the Herrera deal so I can't see them accepting £25M.

brinty · 13-01-2015 12:59PM

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Metro_Sport/status/554956225541316609

A couple of sources also claiming LVG will let Smalling,Jones,Evans & Rafael leave as "they can't adapt to his methods".

Thats unlikely he'd let all of them go..

We'd need a whole new defence brought in...

All 4 are also considered homegrown for next season if we get to the CL... where's he going to make up those 4 HG spots from next season.. Unless he's seen players in the EPL he wants to bring in.. Maybe Seamus Coleman is one but what central defenders could we bring in that are homegrown and experienced enough??

Rayne Wooney · 13-01-2015 12:59PM

The forwards haven't adapted to his methods just as much as the defenders

Pro. F · 13-01-2015 01:00PM

IF Unite were to sign Muller, where would people want him to play? Up front and drop one of RVP or Rooney? Or play Rooney behind RVP and Muller? Drop Mata?

Luckily Muller is very flexible. He can play on the wing too and that would be the only attacking position I would be interested in signing at the moment, even if Falcao does go. Otherwise we're just spending huge money to push out other players who we've spent huge money on.

Julez · 13-01-2015 01:01PM

zerks wrote: »

A couple of sources also claiming LVG will let Smalling,Jones,Evans & Rafael leave as "they can't adapt to his methods".

All well and good, but we are losing (i think) two home grown players and two players trained in England, we need to keep the quota up for Prem and Champs league. Would be bad business to get rid of all 4.

Pro. F · 13-01-2015 01:03PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The forwards haven't adapted to his methods just as much as the defenders

And neither have the midfielders, nor the forwards playing in midfield.

Cantona's Collars · 13-01-2015 01:03PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The forwards haven't adapted to his methods just as much as the defenders

The annoying thing is the forwards making runs & having good movement but then seeing the ball constantly being played wide and them having to fight to win crosses or watch the likes of Val smashing it against defenders or over their heads.The art of the through ball seems to be something we no longer embrace.

Cantona's Collars · 13-01-2015 01:05PM

Good man Ramon,you keep telling Real to stick with Casillas & hands off our Dave.

https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/554955236578975745

fuzzydunlop85 · 13-01-2015 01:17PM

Not sure if muller is the answer( not that I think it's viable anyway). Someone who's name I havn't seen mentioned on here is lacazette, top scorer in France, a real livewire with electrifying pace who can beat a man. Something we havn't seen upfront for a while at OT. Wouldn't cost the earth either, imagine he could be had for around 25mill. Think there are other areas to address first though,

Will I Amnt · 13-01-2015 01:21PM

If there is an attacking player coming in, it has to be someone with a bit of pace and/or the ability to take a player on. This is sorely and obviously lacking in the team and makes it easy to plan against.

There's absolutely piss all attacking threat on the wings, all you have to do is keep Mata quiet and you're laughing.
Di Maria, if used correctly should help to sort it out but I wouldn't mind a Cuadrado type coming in, maybe give Nani another chance... It's also why I wouldn't be averse to Shaqiri coming in if there's no other obvious targets. It's all too predictable in attack, so frustrating to watch.

thelad95 · 13-01-2015 01:27PM

Ever since Ronaldo left, our attack has been somewhat slow and predictable. In 2010/11, Chicharito and Berbatov's goals paved over a lot of cracks and in 2012/13, Van Persie did the same.

Our trademark was having strong, 'honey badger' type midfielders like Keane, Scholes and to an extent Carrick to wrestle control of possession and the game. Then fast wingers and quality overlapping fullbacks like Gary Neville and Patrice Evra.

At the moment, we have none of the above.

squadro · 13-01-2015 01:35PM

Honey badger midfielders. Great description.:D

Spazdarn · 13-01-2015 01:38PM

The formation doesn't really work, we don't really have the wingers, or the wingbacks to pull it off.

There's a lot wrong at United, but I suppose the one of the only bright lights in the position we're in, and the fact we're attracting the right kind of players, I just hope he invests in a proper defence, and we build from there.

3-4-1-2 isn't working. We've only played well in like 2 games, Hull and Newcastle, and the Newcastle game we only really properly played one half.

Donnielighto · 13-01-2015 01:38PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

If there is an attacking player coming in, it has to be someone with a bit of pace and/or the ability to take a player on. This is sorely and obviously lacking in the team and makes it easy to plan against.

There's absolutely piss all attacking threat on the wings, all you have to do is keep Mata quiet and you're laughing.
Di Maria, if used correctly should help to sort it out but I wouldn't mind a Cuadrado type coming in, maybe give Nani another chance... It's also why I wouldn't be averse to Shaqiri coming in if there's no other obvious targets. It's all too predictable in attack, so frustrating to watch.

Shaquiri is got to, I think inter? Definitely Italy.

Spazdarn · 13-01-2015 01:39PM

Donnielighto wrote: »

Shaquiri is got to, I think inter? Definitely Italy.

That's only on loan so far... with option to buy

RobertKK · 13-01-2015 01:48PM

If LVG wants to persist with a back three, would people be happy with signing the players to make it work like Laporte, Hummels and Varane, though some say it is Varane, Hummels and Godin that he wants to replace Evans, Smalling and Jones with.
Whatever, we wouldn't complain...

Lord TSC · 13-01-2015 02:00PM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Not sure if muller is the answer( not that I think it's viable anyway). Someone who's name I havn't seen mentioned on here is lacazette, top scorer in France, a real livewire with electrifying pace who can beat a man. Something we havn't seen upfront for a while at OT. Wouldn't cost the earth either, imagine he could be had for around 25mill. Think there are other areas to address first though,

Hands down my favorite player on Fifa this year :P

Am I right in saying he's scored 4 braces in a row recently?

greendom · 13-01-2015 02:05PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Hands down my favorite player on Fifa this year :P

Am I right in saying he's scored 4 braces in a row recently?

yes he does take pens though. Lyon seem to be building a great young team that are challenging again. And the President has stated that the new stadium build will mean that the need to sell players will be lessened. Can't see Lacazette leaving in January anyway unless a ridiculously high bid comes in for him.

Pro. F · 13-01-2015 02:07PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If LVG wants to persist with a back three, would people be happy with signing the players to make it work like Laporte, Hummels and Varane, though some say it is Varane, Hummels and Godin that he wants to replace Evans, Smalling and Jones with.
Whatever, we wouldn't complain...

I'd complain. Signing those, or any, centre-backs while keeping the current midfield line-up and formation will not work. The cause of our poor possession is not the centre-backs.

KH25 · 13-01-2015 02:27PM

Just thinking about the last game and the midfield was really our issue. We had Carrick blind and Rooney there which is just not good. IMO if we're going to play Carrick then Blind should be on the bench or vice versa. They are not very attacking players. Hererra should have been on instead of one of them. The midfield should have been Carrick/blind di Maria and herrera with mata in front of them and Rooney and RVP up top.

Mitch Connor · 13-01-2015 02:35PM

KH25 wrote: »

Just thinking about the last game and the midfield was really our issue. We had Carrick blind and Rooney there which is just not good. IMO if we're going to play Carrick then Blind should be on the bench or vice versa. They are not very attacking players. Hererra should have been on instead of one of them. The midfield should have been Carrick/blind di Maria and herrera with mata in front of them and Rooney and RVP up top.

Blind was played in defence then left side - so him and carrick in the same team made little issue; Had they both been in midfield then I'd have seen the point.

The problem was poor service from the wing and poor movement of the ball through the midfield. Rooney played a poor game in midfield. Mata played a poor game in midfield. Di Maria was poor, especially when recieving the ball with his back to goal - he should be played from midfield and running at the defence.

The problem wasn't so much the formation (though I dislike it intently) but the form and positioning of the players.

De Gea

Jones--Smalling--Blind
Valencia

Shaw

Carrick--Di Maria

Mata

Rooney----RVP

Rooney did little in midfield, no tackles won - can't think DiMaria would have been any worse defensively and would imagine he'd have been better bringing the ball forward. Rooney would have been better recieving the ball with his back to goal than Di Maria was.

That said, using the same players I'd have gone to a 442 diamond; with Blind at the base.

THe setup in midfield has been poor, with poor performances too. We move the ball terribly.

adox · 13-01-2015 02:45PM

Pro. F wrote: »

IF Unite were to sign Muller, where would people want him to play? Up front and drop one of RVP or Rooney? Or play Rooney behind RVP and Muller? Drop Mata?

Luckily Muller is very flexible. He can play on the wing too and that would be the only attacking position I would be interested in signing at the moment, even if Falcao does go. Otherwise we're just spending huge money to push out other players who we've spent huge money on.

Muller Rooney Mata would be a tasty front 3 in a 433.

v3ttel · 13-01-2015 02:49PM

I'm really hoping with stop with the back 3. I don't think it suits the PL at all, and I'm hoping he reverts to 4, when he gets out and out full backs match fit, as LVG suggested he might.

At this stage, I'd be happy to go back to a traditional 4-4-2:

Rafael, Smalling, Rojo, Blind,
Val, Carrick, Herrera, Di Maria

Rooney, Falcao

with wingers that want to take people on to commit defenders and have the ability to cross the ball, full backs that want to overlap, and a team that are determined enough to create blood and thunder, rather than letting games peter out, if things aren't going well, and outstanding players up front.

Then again, that's what I've watched United teams do for the last 25 years or so.

Bridge93 · 13-01-2015 02:52PM

So Muller, Messi, Bale, Ronaldo, Vidal, Varane, Hummels and Laporte are all on their way to united. Will be some team so!

Mitch Connor · 13-01-2015 02:54PM

adox wrote: »

Muller Rooney Mata would be a tasty front 3 in a 433.

No pace to stretch the defence and all 3 far more comfortable centrally. It would be a terrible front 3, imo.

At least one of the 3 has to be comfortable taking on the full back - you'd need a player like Robben, Ronaldo, Bale etc. I was saying last summer (when 433 looked likely) that Sanchez should have been a top target and Welbeck would be a very usefull player to us.

Really, I know longer claim to have any clue what LVG is trying to create - his signings, imo, lack forward planning. There seems to be no real plan on how to use Falcao, Di Maria or Herrera. It seems those players were signed because they could be, rather than because their talents were required for a particular role.

Looking at the signings in total, I don't see how we are moving towards any particular formation, apart from 442 (diamond) but we don't seem to be going back to that either.

If he wanted to play 352, he needed more defenders. to play 433 he needed wingers.

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