Why does the Catholic Church prey on old people?

The Moldy Gowl · 13-01-2015 9:40am

This thread most certainly not go as the op planned

Gannicus · 13-01-2015 9:40am

O/P I find the actions taken by you deplorable. You have thinly veiled stealing from your family as an okay thing to do in relation to the church sending out these anonymous donation envelopes.

The thing behind the envelopes is that people give what they can and don't feel pressured into donating ore than they can when they see someone else putting more in the collection basket.

You on the other hand are just a thief. You "are holding two watches in trust" and you've admitted you don't even know who actually owns them.

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 9:41am

Young Blood wrote: »

There's no telling who owned the watches anyway. My grandmother lived in the same house with all her other siblings so they could of belonged to any of them, most whom are dead!

Irrelevant. What matters is who does not own them, namely yourself. Don't try to paint what you did as anything but what it is.

The Moldy Gowl · 13-01-2015 9:42am

Gannicus wrote: »

O/P I find the actions taken by you deplorable. You have thinly veiled stealing from your family as an okay thing to do in relation to the church sending out these anonymous donation envelopes.

The thing behind the envelopes is that people give what they can and don't feel pressured into donating ore than they can when they see someone else putting more in the collection basket.

You on the other hand are just a thief. You "are holding two watches in trust" and you've admitted you don't even know who actually owns them.

Just imagine if he found the watches and kept them but said he wouldn't have the oppurtunity to wear the watches.

*shakes fist*

suicide_circus · 13-01-2015 9:42am

The way your grand uncle sees it, he is nearing the end of his life, the church offers him an afterlife surrounded by all his friends and loved ones who have passed before him - that's a pretty big draw when you're orbiting the plughole in ever decreasing circles. What do you offer him? Robbing his watches and sticking him in a home.

Robsweezie · 13-01-2015 9:43am

because vulnerability. it's a recurring theme.

Penny Tration · 13-01-2015 9:43am

Young Blood wrote: »

How can you argue that someone with a mental illness does anything voluntary?

I have a mental illness (2, actually), and I manage to make decisions to donate to charities pretty easily.

So, explain what the church has to do with you stealing?

whisky_galore · 13-01-2015 9:43am

Put down the shovel, stop digging.

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 9:46am

Young Blood wrote: »

How can you argue that someone with a mental illness does anything voluntary?

Because having a mental illness does not necessarily make you incapable of looking after yourself or making your own choices.

I know people with mental illness who are in fact of perfectly sound mind except for the odd time here and there where they need some-one to help them.

Young Blood · 13-01-2015 9:48am

suicide_circus wrote: »

The way your grand uncle sees it, he is nearing the end of his life, the church offers him an afterlife surrounded by all his friends and loved ones who have passed before him - that's a pretty big draw when you're orbiting the plughole in ever decreasing circles. What do you offer him? Robbing his watches and sticking him in a home.

Funnily enough, the good old nursing home offered to take the home off him after he died for payment although the home doesn't even belong to him!

See everything in this life has its price once you're old.

Penny Tration · 13-01-2015 9:49am

Young Blood wrote: »

Funnily enough, the good old nursing home offered to take the home off him after he died for payment although the home doesn't even belong to him!

See everything in this life has its price once you're old.

Okay. So what did he 'owe' you that made it fine for you to rob from him?

Young Blood · 13-01-2015 9:49am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Because having a mental illness does not necessarily make you incapable of looking after yourself or making your own choices.

I know people with mental illness who are in fact of perfectly sound mind except for the odd time here and there where they need some-one to help them.

Maybe the cash coukd of been towards the nursing home but I don't think the church had his best interests at heart!

Buona Fortuna · 13-01-2015 9:49am

Young Blood wrote: »

But in fairness, I did make off with two brand new watches still boxed, a Tissot and a Seiko, with a total value of around a thousand euro, so it's not all bad!

Put yourself up for adoption. Some people have some really good stuff just lying around.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-01-2015 9:50am

Young Blood wrote: »

Recently my grand uncle entered a nursing home after been assessed by a doctor as not being fit enough to live alone.

I went through his personal belongings in his home and packed them up. I found boxes of anonymous donation cards for the Catholic Church.

Tbh it sickened me. The man was barely able to take care of himself never mind his finances and here was the Catholic Church preying on a vulnerable old man like him.

Is this a common thing in Ireland? Considering the envelopes were marked anonymous, there's no telling how much savings the Roman Catholic Church made off with!

I'm sure there are many other cases of this in the country. Imo this is no different from con-men preying on the rural elderly.

But in fairness, I did make off with two brand new watches still boxed, a Tissot and a Seiko, with a total value of around a thousand euro, so it's not all bad!

You are a theif and you stole from an elderly family member, well done sir you are (in my eyes) the lowest of the low :mad:

Young Blood · 13-01-2015 9:52am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You are a theif and you stole from an elderly family member, well done sir you are (in my eyes) the lowest of the low :mad:

Do you think the church will pay for the nursing home?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-01-2015 9:54am

Young Blood wrote: »

He is family, there is a difference. The man was in no condition to give voluntary anything.

But the church have covered their asses on that one though since it's 'anonymous' donations. They're conscience is clean as far as they're concerned!

Where's the evidence he even donated anything? There's evidence you stole two watches though.

I suspect this is a tall tale.

MistyCheese · 13-01-2015 9:54am

Elder people are closer to God. So are tall people. It's short, young people that you have to watch out for. That's why toddlers are so hellish. (Well, mine is being hellish today anyway).

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 9:55am

Young Blood wrote: »

Do you think the church will pay for the nursing home?

Why should they?

You're just looking for reasons to be outraged at this stage.

Delirium · 13-01-2015 9:56am

Young Blood wrote: »

But in fairness, I did make off with two brand new watches still boxed, a Tissot and a Seiko, with a total value of around a thousand euro, so it's not all bad!

Young Blood wrote: »

Do you think the church will pay for the nursing home?

people in glass houses and all that

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 9:57am

Young Blood wrote: »

Maybe the cash coukd of been towards the nursing home but I don't think the church had his best interests at heart!

Well you'd know all about his best interests wouldn't you.

Do you actually understand what a donation is? Do you understand that it's money he gave of his own free will, for his own reasons?

The church has not stolen anything from him nor forced him into anything.

VinLieger · 13-01-2015 9:57am

Sounds like your pissed at the church cus you think there wont be as much for you to fight for once he passes, on, your a sickening individual from the sounds of it, boasting about stealing €1000 from your uncle is disgusting

EoghanIRL · 13-01-2015 10:00am

Cults pray on the weak , naïve and susceptible. They'd be out of business otherwise .

The One Doctor · 13-01-2015 10:02am

You stole from your relative, OP. Your position is untenable.

Tomo.Murphy · 13-01-2015 10:06am

What part of it do you not get? They're sent to a lot of people in the parish. They're not a targeted money making campaign (well, not in the way you seem to believe it is). I've had envelopes like that sent to me multiple times and I'm the furthest thing from a vulnerable old man.

The Peanut · 13-01-2015 10:11am

Can the thread title be changed to "Why do greedy relatives prey on old people"?

Can the OP not understand the reactions of people? Unless the comments about the watches were thrown in as an attempt at humour, it is totally unacceptable.

Greenmachine · 13-01-2015 10:13am

Preyer for prayers. Rolls right off the tongue. My Wafer.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-01-2015 10:15am

Young Blood wrote: »

Do you think the church will pay for the nursing home?

Someone GIVING VOLUNTARILY to the church is different to someone TAKING WITHOUT PERMISSION! I have no love for the church and wouldn't even go inside one if you asked me but you sir are a self confessed theif and no better than a sneak thief who burgles homes in the middle of the night.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-01-2015 10:17am

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Cults pray on the weak , naïve and susceptible. They'd be out of business otherwise .

So do thieves

nibtrix · 13-01-2015 10:21am

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

This thread most certainly not go as the op planned

Or did it? Looks to me like he's getting exactly the reaction he wanted...

The Bould Rabbit · 13-01-2015 10:21am

Young Blood wrote: »

Recently my grand uncle entered a nursing home after been assessed by a doctor as not being fit enough to live alone.

I went through his personal belongings in his home and packed them up. I found boxes of anonymous donation cards for the Catholic Church.

Tbh it sickened me. The man was barely able to take care of himself never mind his finances and here was the Catholic Church preying on a vulnerable old man like him.

Is this a common thing in Ireland? Considering the envelopes were marked anonymous, there's no telling how much savings the Roman Catholic Church made off with!

I'm sure there are many other cases of this in the country. Imo this is no different from con-men preying on the rural elderly.

But in fairness, I did make off with two brand new watches still boxed, a Tissot and a Seiko, with a total value of around a thousand euro, so it's not all bad!

You were doing reasonably well till you got to the last sentence.

Then you revealed yourself to be a a despicable disgusting thief.
Although I reckon the whole story is bullshit which makes you a despicable and disgusting liar.

So what are you? A thief or a liar? Either way you have proven to be a despicable and disgusting individual and will never be trusted round these parts again.

You've dirtied your bib now and burned your bridges. You shall walk forever on the other side of the road here on After Hours, shunned by decent folk who shall regard you as untouchable. Your children will not be allowed to play with the other boys and girls and grow up to be delinquents like you.

Your name is mud. More like Bad Bad than Young Blood.

You've let your parents down.
You've let your brothers and sisters down.
You've let your dog down.
Hell, you've let yourself down lad.
You need to have a long hard think about what you have done.

You'll never get a visa for Merica now.

Why does the Catholic Church prey on old people?

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