1405 campaign news

AAPD123 · 08-01-2015 6:32pm #1

Thought it might be worthwhile to post a thread for the 1405 campaign as the majority of those on here seem a good bit further down the line that us. Hope it helps

fish2690 · 08-01-2015 6:56pm

Good idea. This is the mixer I'm in too. On 68 from AC. don't know if it will be enough if the recruitment number stays at 100. Hopefully that number will go up or a lot of people ahead of me pull out due to getting in from the last campaign!

Hoping to hear some news about PCAs soon so we know the ball is rolling for that

Icarus9 · 08-01-2015 7:02pm

Agreed, good idea. No sign of any PCA invites or vetting forms anyway. If they are running the campaign slower then they may have a break between campaigns and hold the merit list but that would be odd with the training college up and running.

Goonerdee · 09-01-2015 2:31pm

With my AC score I would need nearly everyone infront of me to fail

Though to be honest, the longer the wait for the PCA the fitter I can make myself!

KevBo2015 · 09-01-2015 2:49pm

Hello everyone! Been following the forums for a while now and seen this thought I would take the opportunity to introduce myself. Passed a c with a score of 83% so hopefully not too long a wait before they start the 2nd campaign vetting letters.

Forums have helped me greatly keep upto date with news and advice so thanks everyone.

geezoh · 09-01-2015 2:50pm

Alright...in the same boat just waiting on vetting and pca forms...anyone any idea on the wait? I also spent sometime in bahrain in the last three years ive been told this may slow down my vetting? The wait is a pain never seen recruitment as slow as this even for working abroad...ps i got 78 in the assessment centre..

AAPD123 · 09-01-2015 2:53pm

geezoh wrote: »

Alright...in the same boat just waiting on vetting and pca forms...anyone any idea on the wait? I also spent sometime in bahrain in the last three years ive been told this may slow down my vetting? The wait is a pain never seen recruitment as slow as this even for working abroad...ps i got 78 in the assessment centre..

No idea I have just read in another thread that there has been a full squad intake confirmed for February for the previous campaign, hopefully this is good news for us that there is still money about for recruitment.

geezoh · 09-01-2015 2:59pm

AAPD123 wrote: »

No idea I have just read in another thread that there has been a full squad intake confirmed for February for the previous campaign, hopefully this is good news for us that there is still money about for recruitment.

I had believed that they had ring fenced police spending on front line policing whether that includes us im not sure...has the number been cut to 100 for this drive? Thats unfortunate...

fish2690 · 09-01-2015 3:01pm

I'm dying to hear that our campaign is gona get moving again. I thought it was great to get a break from worrying over Christmas when the results came out but now I'm back to my usual self and want to get going again!!

Praying every night that the original number of 378 are hired this campaign. Would love to hear some news from George.

geezoh · 09-01-2015 3:06pm

What have you folks been doing for training for the pca? Have to admit Christmas has left me feeling squidgy...started insanity again its murder but im hoping it will do the trick have me in shape for it..

fish2690 · 09-01-2015 3:09pm

geezoh wrote: »

What have you folks been doing for training for the pca? Have to admit Christmas has left me feeling squidgy...started insanity again its murder but im hoping it will do the trick have me in shape for it..

I've been playing football and training for that since summer has kept me up to check with cardio (although Christmas has slowed me down a bit). Started doing a bit of weight training at home to improve strength a bit.

WannabePC · 10-01-2015 5:46am

Goonerdee wrote: »

With my AC score I would need nearly everyone infront of me to fail

Though to be honest, the longer the wait for the PCA the fitter I can make myself!

What score did you get in at the AC Goonerdee? I had 67 which would definitely of been good enough for the last campaign, but not so sure for this one if there's only 100 places! Hopefully chiefy con will manage to scrape enough doh'ray together to take on the 378 or so that was originally planned!

Goonerdee · 10-01-2015 1:13pm

WannabePC wrote: »

What score did you get in at the AC Goonerdee? I had 67 which would definitely of been good enough for the last campaign, but not so sure for this one if there's only 100 places! Hopefully chiefy con will manage to scrape enough doh'ray together to take on the 378 or so that was originally planned!

62, I'm bottom of the pile unfortunately for me

Even if he does get the go ahead for the full 378, I'll be lucky, the 1309 campaign is in its final stages and there are still people with 64 or abouts getting selected!

Sthm · 10-01-2015 3:12pm

Goonerdee wrote: »

62, I'm bottom of the pile unfortunately for me

Even if he does get the go ahead for the full 378, I'll be lucky, the 1309 campaign is in its final stages and there are still people with 64 or abouts getting selected!

Two full squads totals to anywhere from 60 odd to 84 people. A couple of people had got chatting to a HR staff member on a campaign two familiarisation day and were informed that the attrition rate through the final stages had been around 50%. Therefore, roughly you're looking at processing 120-160 odd to even get two squads.

I wouldn't write yourself off at all no matter what score you're on.

Goonerdee · 10-01-2015 5:52pm

Sthm wrote: »

Two full squads totals to anywhere from 60 odd to 84 people. A couple of people had got chatting to a HR staff member on a campaign two familiarisation day and were informed that the attrition rate through the final stages had been around 50%. Therefore, roughly you're looking at processing 120-160 odd to even get two squads.

I wouldn't write yourself off at all no matter what score you're on.

As I said I'm looking at it in a positive way in the fitness anyway, reading what other people are doing to get fit is making me think I need to step up another two or three levels!

geezoh · 11-01-2015 4:51pm

Villiers has pleaded with Westminster for extra funding its likely that the extra funding will be secured...they have claimed that they need 168 new officers to provide effective policing but that doesn't account for the 200 or so police that retire each year so i would say the original number might still be what they go for...heres hoping...

Sthm · 11-01-2015 4:56pm

With the large intakes around the early 80s, a lot are due to retire and apparently a large number within a couple of months.

The total number of officers will probably continue to decline even with full recruitment ongoing.

pb82 · 11-01-2015 6:34pm

Sthm wrote: »

With the large intakes around the early 80s, a lot are due to retire and apparently a large number within a couple of months.

The total number of officers will probably continue to decline even with full recruitment ongoing.

I think the numbers due to retire in 2016 are particularly high

fish2690 · 12-01-2015 1:20pm

Just received a first class, honours degree from jellyschool reading those comments of people getting phone calls today.

HighburyLad · 12-01-2015 1:27pm

fish2690 wrote: »

Just received a first class, honours degree from jellyschool reading those comments of people getting phone calls today.

This made me lol, haha, right there with Ya fish. I'm hoping maybe with these phone calls going out to the good folks of 1309 that us sods in 1405 will start getting our vetting forms this week lol

KevBo2015 · 12-01-2015 1:47pm

Same here, know a few people who got a call too! Happy for them but jelous at the same time, wishing it was myself. Do you think then that with the calls going out today the recruitment machine has started again and we will be getting vetting forms this week?

HighburyLad · 12-01-2015 1:56pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Same here, know a few people who got a call too! Happy for them but jelous at the same time, wishing it was myself. Do you think then that with the calls going out today the recruitment machine has started again and we will be getting vetting forms this week?

I honestly dont know mate, I'm just thinking it's approaching mid Jan, and if 1405 squads are to start May, they will have to start getting the ball a rollin, and I know its done squad by squad but I'm quietly confident that folks this time next month will be getting a call for a March intake, and a fair few are also in campaign 2 and if they are top as such in the merit list in scoring, the recruitment team would have to sorta get people ready to cover that if that was the case, this is all hypothetical mind you lol but I'd imagine vetting forms will start coming though the post for folks relatively soon

fish2690 · 12-01-2015 1:59pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

I honestly dont know mate, I'm just thinking it's approaching mid Jan, and if 1405 squads are to start May, they will have to start getting the ball a rollin, and I know its done squad by squad but I'm quietly confident that folks this time next month will be getting a call for a March intake, and a fair few are also in campaign 2 and if they are top as such in the merit list in scoring, the recruitment team would have to sorta get people ready to cover that if that was the case, this is all hypothetical mind you lol but I'd imagine vetting forms will start coming though the post for folks relatively soon

I hope you're right! Want to at leat know they're starting to come out.

Razer33 · 12-01-2015 2:32pm

Just think of it as extra training time, im on a low 70s AC score so not top of the pile or at the bottom. As much as i want to keep moving, personally id rather have the wait and be able to have myself in a better physical standing for the next stage

HighburyLad · 12-01-2015 2:46pm

Razer33 wrote: »

Just think of it as extra training time, im on a low 70s AC score so not top of the pile or at the bottom. As much as i want to keep moving, personally id rather have the wait and be able to have myself in a better physical standing for the next stage

Yeah I'm in a similar position high 60's and happy to get the time in to get that bit more training done, I know a few fellas who I have played rugby with who failed their pca who were in good nick, shocked me that they failed, so I'm not underestimating the pca at all, it looks a lot easier in the videos than it actually would be as many have said on here

KevBo2015 · 12-01-2015 2:49pm

I too would prefer more time to train, especially after eating all round me during christmas ha ha!

I got 83 in the A C and the longer we have to wait for vetting forms the better as I need some serious training... On that note any of you guys hints/tips for what to be doing?

fish2690 · 12-01-2015 2:57pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

Yeah I'm in a similar position high 60's and happy to get the time in to get that bit more training done, I know a few fellas who I have played rugby with who failed their pca who were in good nick, shocked me that they failed, so I'm not underestimating the pca at all, it looks a lot easier in the videos than it actually would be as many have said on here

I am also high 60s HLad (68) what about yourself?

HighburyLad · 12-01-2015 2:59pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

I too would prefer more time to train, especially after eating all round me during christmas ha ha!

I got 83 in the A C and the longer we have to wait for vetting forms the better as I need some serious training... On that note any of you guys hints/tips for what to be doing?

Honestly man, run, just run, cardio, cardio, and a bit of weight training, I would be more into weight training, and have started doing cross fit to trim up and increase my cardio as well as running, I know there's been a few on here who failed medicals on bmi on here so even if you pass the physical you still need to pass the medical, I'm 6 3" and down to 102kg with a fair bit of muscle, but that's me at a minium and I was told by a serving sergeant if they were me they would try to get below 100kg to be safe, for running, there is an app on iPhone and android C25k basically starts you off from couch to 5k distance running, and it's pretty good, gives you a programme to keep to, more for people who need to start off from scratch running wise but if anyone interested it's worth a look.

KevBo2015 · 12-01-2015 3:13pm

Thanks, yeah I would say am reasonably fit just carrying a bit of weight with that. Do a fair bit of weights training and my BMI would show me as overweight for sure, do you know if they are strict on the BMI?

I've been doing some running on the roads, rocky theme tune and all haha! Thinking of doing some circuit type training also to help with the fitness, wondering if post will go out this week with guys getting the calls today meaning I should perhaps up my training!

Razer33 · 12-01-2015 4:04pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

Yeah I'm in a similar position high 60's and happy to get the time in to get that bit more training done, I know a few fellas who I have played rugby with who failed their pca who were in good nick, shocked me that they failed, so I'm not underestimating the pca at all, it looks a lot easier in the videos than it actually would be as many have said on here

PCA seems to be a strange beast, i have known people who you know would pass that did, then those you thought would and didnt and then those that you would have given no hope too and they passed, seems to be a good bit about how you approach it on the day aswell as keeping a good level of fitness.
I have been doing a fair bit of interval training, as alot of people on here have said its the stop start that gets you as much as anything.

Razer33 · 12-01-2015 4:06pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

Thanks, yeah I would say am reasonably fit just carrying a bit of weight with that. Do a fair bit of weights training and my BMI would show me as overweight for sure, do you know if they are strict on the BMI?

I have wondered that myself, from what i have gathered on here they can be strict enough on it, its worrying me at the minute i have to say when really i know i should just be keeping my eye on the PCA.

pb82 · 12-01-2015 4:08pm

Razer33 wrote: »

PCA seems to be a strange beast, i have known people who you know would pass that did, then those you thought would and didnt and then those that you would have given no hope too and they passed, seems to be a good bit about how you approach it on the day aswell as keeping a good level of fitness.
I have been doing a fair bit of interval training, as alot of people on here have said its the stop start that gets you as much as anything.

You have to factor in the obstacles and the fact if u don't do one correctly then u must go back to the start if the obstacle and do it again

If u knock a pole off on the stairs for example you have to go right through, go back to the start and wait until the pti replaces the pole before you can start again

Time consuming mistake

Icarus9 · 12-01-2015 4:15pm

Pca is definitely a lot about technique as well as fitness. That said it is very hard to create a fitness test that gets the balance between fitness and also strength. Scotland do a 1.5 mile run in under a certain time but no strength test. The circuit plus push pull machine sets a good balance between being fit enough and strong enough. You could be the fittest distance runner in the world but might struggle on the front line of a riot if you don't have the muscle mass to balance the fitness so I reckon the psni set the test about right. Have a scoot down the YouTube videos below the psni pca video and watch the Australian or New Zealand one (can't remember which) that a journalist tries. It looks much tighter going!

KevBo2015 · 12-01-2015 4:32pm

Razer33 wrote: »

I have wondered that myself, from what i have gathered on here they can be strict enough on it, its worrying me at the minute i have to say when really i know i should just be keeping my eye on the PCA.

True mate, same as myself focused on my weight but I guess good eating and plenty of training helps for the PCA and the medical when it comes around providing we are lucky enough to pass the PCA. Are you doing much yourself training wise?

Think some interval training is on the cards tonight for me after reading the forums and people getting the calls, gets you going!

Wonder if there will be any more campaign news on the numbers, there has not been much chat about it since the agreement was made. Surely if there was more money to N.I then the CC would be allocated his fair share to recruit more police? Think there was some politics being played on both sides with the department of justice and the office of first minister on budgets, interesting to see what happens...

Hate the thought of missing out on this due to lack of fitness and no more recruitment being done for years....

Perkunas · 12-01-2015 4:37pm

The constant changing of activity in the PCA seems to catch people. So i set up a circuit where i would do 1 minute of exercise (e.g. 30 secs of press ups into 30 secs of bear crawls) and then would do a 40 m sprint. Repeat 4 times (no break) with different exercises each time plus the sprint meant about 6 minutes of high intensity training and a nice combo of cardio with some body weight exercises. Train hard, fight easy lol

AAPD123 · 12-01-2015 4:39pm

slightly off topic, but has anyone contacted HR regarding vetting forms/PCA/numbers for this campaign? Wonder if it's worth a shot!!?

Razer33 · 12-01-2015 5:00pm

KevBo2015 wrote: »

True mate, same as myself focused on my weight but I guess good eating and plenty of training helps for the PCA and the medical when it comes around providing we are lucky enough to pass the PCA. Are you doing much yourself training wise?

Think some interval training is on the cards tonight for me after reading the forums and people getting the calls, gets you going!

Yeah my motivation is good at the moment and i'm enjoying the gym again. Just been alot of interval work myself and some weights to ease the cardio, of which i have never been a fan although im starting to wish i had been!
It definitely helps the end goal that they tie in with one another.

As far as numbers i was wondering the same, i dread to think that politics could stop me doing this if i put in the hard work to get through the rest.

GavinusMaximus · 12-01-2015 6:01pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

Honestly man, run, just run, cardio, cardio, and a bit of weight training, I would be more into weight training, and have started doing cross fit to trim up and increase my cardio as well as running, I know there's been a few on here who failed medicals on bmi on here so even if you pass the physical you still need to pass the medical, I'm 6 3" and down to 102kg with a fair bit of muscle, but that's me at a minium and I was told by a serving sergeant if they were me they would try to get below 100kg to be safe, for running, there is an app on iPhone and android C25k basically starts you off from couch to 5k distance running, and it's pretty good, gives you a programme to keep to, more for people who need to start off from scratch running wise but if anyone interested it's worth a look.

I'm very similar to yourself in body size/weight.
6ft 2/3 walking around now at 105KG.
I passed the PCA at a weight of 97.5 and cleared the medical at 104kg. (Yes, I ate heartily to congraulate myself.lol)
You won't have anything to worry about in regards to BMI, (The doctor mentioned just to keep an eye on my "fat midriff" so I don't make it harder on myself if i'm lucky enough to get into GV).
So you're medical should be grand but I guess it wouldn't hurt your PCA times if you chose to go lighter.

HighburyLad · 12-01-2015 6:13pm

GavinusMaximus wrote: »

I'm very similar to yourself in body size/weight.
6ft 2/3 walking around now at 105KG.
I passed the PCA at a weight of 97.5 and cleared the medical at 104kg. (Yes, I ate heartily to congraulate myself.lol)
You won't have anything to worry about in regards to BMI, (The doctor mentioned just to keep an eye on my "fat midriff" so I don't make it harder on myself if i'm lucky enough to get into GV).
So you're medical should be grand but I guess it wouldn't hurt your PCA times if you chose to go lighter.

Thanks mate, yeah I'm gonna try and get down to 98 which I think will happen with the increase in running I'm doing, for the PCA as you say, more than anything, you've put my mind at ease though which is greatly appreciated

KevBo2015 · 12-01-2015 6:43pm

Thanks for the posts guys, happy I joined the forums after lurking so long lots of helpful advice given to me already. I would be in around 102 kg at 5'11, I carry a lot of muscle but not going to lie have got comfortable in recent months and have put on about a stone of fat whic I am not happy about. Any suggestions on how to lose it quickly? I've been running and will continue to do so, might start some circuits too as it looks (from the videos) you stop and start a lot so may be helpful.

How did you bigger lads especially those over 6 foot deal with the steps up and down? Imagine it would be quite hard to get up and down without knocking the pole off? Considering you will be wrecked come the final lap its the bit I worry about most, wouldn't be the most flexable lad about and it would be quite time consuming if you knocked a pole down...

QueenP · 13-01-2015 12:18am

Guys anybody heard any more craic on the budget malarkey?

Was thinking the other day that last campaign was only meant to recruit 100 but they took 378 from that then they'd said another 378 from another campaign? Or did I imagine all that lol. I've read that much on here over the past year lol

WannabePC · 13-01-2015 12:45am

QueenP wrote: »

Guys anybody heard any more craic on the budget malarkey?

Was thinking the other day that last campaign was only meant to recruit 100 but they took 378 from that then they'd said another 378 from another campaign? Or did I imagine all that lol. I've read that much on here over the past year lol

I read that too. The way it reads to me is a 100 from the 2013 campaign and 378 from the one we're in now but obviously they didn't do it like that. Lets hope they get the funding through what we all want! I think we'll have to wait until the next Policing Board meeting to hear anything more on recruitment/funding which i think is the at the end of January.

KevBo2015 · 13-01-2015 10:31am

Let’s hope the agreement before Christmas brings more money into the PSNI. If they are losing 200 officers a year from natural waste then really with the 378 from last year and 100 from this year they have just made up numbers lost, not even.

I do remember Deloitte winning the contract for 5 years, so back then they clearly had a plan to recruit for 5 years. Budgets have got in the way so let’s hope they get the resources they need. A strong police force is vital to facilitate the country after the troubles and on the road to peace...

Suzuka · 13-01-2015 10:51am

WannabePC wrote: »

I read that too. The way it reads to me is a 100 from the 2013 campaign and 378 from the one we're in now but obviously they didn't do it like that. Lets hope they get the funding through what we all want! I think we'll have to wait until the next Policing Board meeting to hear anything more on recruitment/funding which i think is the at the end of January.

February 5th, 2015

We'll all be watching the news that night lol

fish2690 · 13-01-2015 12:08pm

Another reason why the government needs to get the thumb out and give more of a budget to the police:

"Six police officers who were suspended due to misconduct allegations have returned to work while their cases are still under investigation.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said it has taken the decision due to financial pressures on its budget."

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30792883

HighburyLad · 13-01-2015 12:13pm

fish2690 wrote: »

Another reason why the government needs to get the thumb out and give more of a budget to the police:

"Six police officers who were suspended due to misconduct allegations have returned to work while their cases are still under investigation.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said it has taken the decision due to financial pressures on its budget."

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30792883

Just seen that, just shows you, crazy it's got to this...

I don't know if anyone has read the Stormont House Agreement, it actually says that the PSNI budget is to be protected and I know it says about security, and we know it is ring fenced, but one part of the agreement it actually says that community policing is especially to be protected regarding budgets, that's where all the recruits are heading, the finance minister this morning has said that this agreement has already had a beneficial impact on the final budget for 2015/2016 what that is I don't know unfortunately.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=cPy0VNuGL8_Vaq7fgugE&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/390672/Stormont_House_Agreement.pdf&ved=0CCMQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNFAIgxEDnjleZaPxHjH6slzgaRUUg

That's a direct download of the agreement to your phone's or computers to anyone interested

HighburyLad · 13-01-2015 12:25pm

Sorry folks here's the part where the PSNI is discussed....

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/390673/Stormont_House_Agreement_Financial_Annex.pdf

Suzuka · 13-01-2015 12:29pm

HighburyLad wrote: »

Sorry folks here's the part where the PSNI is discussed....

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/390673/Stormont_House_Agreement_Financial_Annex.pdf

Thought I was going nuts not being able to find it lol knew I'd heard it mentioned on the news before. Certainly is a bit of positive news, hopefully official news will be announced soon from PSNI

Its like music to the ears....

"In the light of the importance placed by the Government on security, the Government expects Executive parties to protect PSNI budgets (and community policing in particular) from significant reductions."

HighburyLad · 13-01-2015 12:31pm

Suzuka wrote: »

Thought I was going nuts not being able to find it lol knew I'd heard it mentioned on the news before. Certainly is a bit of positive news, hopefully official news will be announced soon from PSNI

Its like music to the ears....

"In the light of the importance placed by the Government on security, the Government expects Executive parties to protect PSNI budgets (and community policing in particular) from significant reductions."

Haha apologies Suzuka, yeah I read the link over and went, wait that's not it lol

fish2690 · 13-01-2015 12:41pm

Suzuka wrote: »

Thought I was going nuts not being able to find it lol knew I'd heard it mentioned on the news before. Certainly is a bit of positive news, hopefully official news will be announced soon from PSNI

Its like music to the ears....

"In the light of the importance placed by the Government on security, the Government expects Executive parties to protect PSNI budgets (and community policing in particular) from significant reductions."

It does look like great news that paragraph. Although, the word 'expect' worries me with the Executive bobos we have in Stormont. lol

QueenP · 13-01-2015 12:42pm

Fingers and toes crossed thinking f it from a business point of view they have wasted too much in resources and money to drop us all.

What would be the point in having a high profile recruitment campaign and a decent merit pool to choose from for only 100 officers whenever they could exhaust the list and reduce their overall costings in the long term by using us instead of getting another campaign up and running.

I dunno about you's but I google psni every day to see if there's any news lol. I'm such a saddo

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