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  • 07-01-2015 11:49AM
    #1
    Sparks
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    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/07/outfoxed

    Nice to see some coverage that points out that foxes aren't all cute and cuddly widdle animals.


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  • #2
    Capercaille
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    A fox kills/scavenges lamb, hardly headline news.


  • #3
    clivej
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    I posted a reply, It'll most lightly get deleted :D:D


  • #4
    Cass
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    Capercaille wrote: »
    A fox kills/scavenges lamb, hardly headline news.

    But the likes of Aran, BSI, hunt saboteurs, etc. deserve column space for trying to show how cute and cuddly they are? That they do no harm? That we are all mass murderers?
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  • #5
    homerhop
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    some bullcrap being spewed on that


  • #6
    Sparks
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    *hehehe*

    Okay, *I* laughed :D


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  • #7
    Grizzly 45
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    Worst thing about the net.It allows utter mongs and by the reading of the conspircy theory idiots claiming that the poor sod shot in the steet was an actor and that he was shot with blanks as his head didn't explode ala Hollywood to publish their lunacy instantly and globally.So the fox and lamb pic is fake ..sort of like the dying snared hare on the ICABS web page..isn't! ROTFLMAO.

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  • #8
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Sparks wrote: »
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/07/outfoxed

    Nice to see some coverage that points out that foxes aren't all cute and cuddly widdle animals.

    animals are animals them being cute or not cute is irrelevant they are part of the eco system and need to be protected.

    this allows plenty space for responsible hunting and for necessary culls


  • #9
    Cass
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    ......... and need to be protected.
    They are protected. Know your laws. We do.

    The majority of animals are protected. As i've said previously there are four main categories:
    1. Protected with NO season - Cannot be shot ever.
    2. Protected with season - Can only be shot during designated season.
    3. Derogation - Normally protected but can be shot under derogation. These change yearly.
    4. Unprotected - Normally called vermin. No seasonal protection only basic animal rights.


    We have a list if you'd like to read it of the various seasons.
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  • #10
    dodderangler
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    Usually pics and posts like that usually has a few racist posts in it. Suprise there's not. It's not fake. Fox is holding that lamb by the neck but whether it killed it or not is a different story.


  • #11
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Cass wrote: »
    They are protected. Know your laws. We do.

    The majority of animals are protected. As i've said previously there are four main categories:
    1. Protected with NO season - Cannot be shot ever.
    2. Protected with season - Can only be shot during designated season.
    3. Derogation - Normally protected but can be shot under derogation. These change yearly.
    4. Unprotected - Normally called vermin. No seasonal protection only basic animal rights.

    We have a list if you'd like to read it of the various seasons.


    I never said they weren't and who is this we I am all for hunting as long as it's responsible, I just don't get why people need to present animals as more then that. This goes both for animal rights groups acting like they are all cute and cuddly (not sure if they do this, I never pay attention to them) or hunter who try and say specious x is not nice in order to justify shooting it ( I know several hunters who do this)

    animals are animals they act as nature dictates this does not justify or condemn the act of hunting.


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  • #12
    dodderangler
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    laoch na mona wrote: »

    animals are animals they act as nature dictates this does not justify or condemn the act of hunting.

    But humans have hunted since dawn of time and as they evolved the raised livestock and have protected them against predators.
    Humans hunted to survive. Now we don't need to but we eat what we shoot except foxes and corvids. We shoot foxes for the farmers who have been kind enough to allow us to hunt on their land. In return we offer our services to make their farming easier. Farmers don't have time to shoot rabbits that are destroying ditches, fields and their crops. Same with crows. Nor during lambing season can they be out in fields shooting foxes.

    That's were we come in. Also we enjoy it.
    I don't care if I get up early and walk all day and not get a thing because it's the joys of being out in countryside and some of the things we see are amazing.


  • #13
    marknjb
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    this picture is in the farmers journal this week


  • #14
    blackpearl
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    game hunting season coming to a close ,LET THE WAR BEGIN MAGPIES AND GREY CROWS,total wipe out in my area cant wait.


  • #15
    useurowname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    Is there a nasty tone gradually creeping into the posts on this thread?..pity to see it time and again nowadays in the Shooting/Hunting Forum. #offputting


  • #16
    blackpearl
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    welcome to the hunting forum.


  • #17
    Cass
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    useurowname wrote: »
    Is there a nasty tone gradually creeping into the posts on this thread?..pity to see it time and again nowadays in the Shooting/Hunting Forum. #offputting

    Not necessarily.

    Lads are passionate about what they do and such talk can get heated. What concerns me more is the number of new "members" that come on and complain and try to highlight non existent issues with the forum (that's not directed at your good self).

    Considering the original topic of the thread, the fact it turned into a debate on species, habitat, etc. (and does so quite frequently) and this latest attack of one of our members you have to ask yourself is there a concerted effort to somehow belittle, disrupt or discredit the forum? (Comment at the end of the "article", before the reader comments)

    As was said in the "article" i'm not a conspiracy theorist but you have to wonder at the timing and frequency of these comments here.
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  • #18
    useurowname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    [QUOTE

    latest attack of one of our members you have to ask yourself is there a concerted effort to somehow belittle, disrupt or discredit the forum? (Comment at the end of the "article", before the reader comments)

    [/QUOTE]

    Wouw, heavens above, too heavy for me..think I'll stick to issues regarding where certain brands of cartridges can be bought and my personal choice of welly for the time being. No offence mean't to any individuals previously.


  • #19
    Capercaille
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    blackpearl wrote: »
    game hunting season coming to a close ,LET THE WAR BEGIN MAGPIES AND GREY CROWS,total wipe out in my area cant wait.

    Hooded crows/Magpies getting trapped on my farm starting in March.


  • #20
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    blackpearl wrote: »
    game hunting season coming to a close ,LET THE WAR BEGIN MAGPIES AND GREY CROWS,total wipe out in my area cant wait.

    ^^ why hunters get a bad rep


  • #21
    yubabill1
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    Cass wrote: »
    Not necessarily.

    Lads are passionate about what they do and such talk can get heated. What concerns me more is the number of new "members" that come on and complain and try to highlight non existent issues with the forum (that's not directed at your good self).

    Considering the original topic of the thread, the fact it turned into a debate on species, habitat, etc. (and does so quite frequently) and this latest attack of one of our members you have to ask yourself is there a concerted effort to somehow belittle, disrupt or discredit the forum? (Comment at the end of the "article", before the reader comments)

    As was said in the "article" i'm not a conspiracy theorist but you have to wonder at the timing and frequency of these comments here.

    I think we're all a little over-sensitive right now.

    The broadsheet article seems to have been an earnest question, perhaps badly-constructed.

    I certainly don't feel I am being attacked on here - if you had an unstable Eastern European lady PhD following you, personally, around the net - like I had - you might feel attacked, alright.


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  • #22
    Cass
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    yubabill1 wrote: »
    I think we're all a little over-sensitive right now.

    Nope, just fed up of being other people's punching bag. It is a dirty and nasty thing to do and shows the level of "integrity" that they would exploit an atrocity like that to get a personal dig in at someone.

    Yet the same people would slam anyone else as being insensitive. Shameful stuff.
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  • #23
    laoch na mona
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    Cass wrote: »
    Not necessarily.

    Lads are passionate about what they do and such talk can get heated. What concerns me more is the number of new "members" that come on and complain and try to highlight non existent issues with the forum (that's not directed at your good self).

    Considering the original topic of the thread, the fact it turned into a debate on species, habitat, etc. (and does so quite frequently) and this latest attack of one of our members you have to ask yourself is there a concerted effort to somehow belittle, disrupt or discredit the forum? (Comment at the end of the "article", before the reader comments)

    As was said in the "article" i'm not a conspiracy theorist but you have to wonder at the timing and frequency of these comments here.

    that link is about the paris shooting or am i high


  • #24
    yubabill1
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    that link is about the paris shooting or am i high

    Yeah.

    Someone asked Sparks for an opinion on something really inappropriate in a stupid way.

    If it was addressed to me, personally, I would probably get a bit ruffled, too.

    But from a distance, it looks different.


  • #25
    Cass
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    that link is about the paris shooting or am i high
    Not sure on your state, but as i said in my post read the last couple of lines of the "article" just before user comments start. Then read Spark's comments which are way, way down on the page of user comments.
    yubabill1 wrote: »
    Someone asked Sparks for an opinion on something really inappropriate in a stupid way.
    Asking any sports shooter for their opinion on such an atrocity because they own a firearm is a joke and highly insulting.

    Not being argumentative with yourself, but i cannot see another way to view it. If it's genuine it's a disgrace to Sparks, all sports shooters, and the poor people involved in the tragedy. If it's an attempt to get a dig in, it's in really bad taste.

    Knowing Sparks previous participation they know who he is, and what he does. It's not like they are ill informed as to who he is and what he does. As said look at this thread. It shows that they used a previous picture to illicit a response form him in an effort to embarrass or take the piss. Not something you'd do with someone you don't know.
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  • #26
    Cass
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    Bird discussion split into it's own thread and sent over to N&BW where it belongs.

    Any further discussion on that topic can go there.
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  • #27
    Cass
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    Missed this post somehow so responding now.
    laoch na mona wrote: »
    I never said they weren't.........
    You said they needed to be.
    laoch na mona wrote: »
    ...............and need to be protected..........
    Implying they either were not, you did not know they were or if you knew that the level of protection is not enough. Hence my response. If you know they are they perhaps you could clarify what you meant?
    and who is this we
    Shooting community, Boards readers/posters, etc.
    I am all for hunting as long as it's responsible,
    It's legal, and irresponsible people don't get firearms licenses.
    This goes both for animal rights groups acting like they are all cute and cuddly (not sure if they do this, I never pay attention to them)
    I don't care if they think they are all cute and cuddly. They can think what they like. My issue is they are not animal rights groups. They do nothing for conservation, don't run breeding programs, do not cull necessary species, and some "animal rights groups" engage in acts like releasing mink which devastates the eco system, attacks hunting clubs & groups, targets shops and businesses that have any dealings with animals/fur, etc, and then target people at their homes that are also involved. That is not animal rights.

    Before you say "that is a different or small group" consider that anytime a lad out hunting does anything inappropriate the entire community get tarred as nutters, murderers, etc.
    or hunter who try and say specious x is not nice in order to justify shooting it ( I know several hunters who do this)
    Let me put this to bed. I have no feelings towards a fox, rabbit, deer, crow, magpie, pheasant, etc. I neither hate or love them. They are a game species to me. If they need to be shot or i want to then it's legal and i'll do so.

    I DO NOT subscribe to anthropomorphism, and anyone that does should go to Africa and hug a lion. I'm sure they'll appreciate the sentiment.
    animals are animals they act as nature dictates this does not justify or condemn the act of hunting.
    Hunting is 100% legal so needs no justification or defending. As long as that is the case the discussion of it from a justifiable, ethical, moral position is prohibited on this forum as per forum rules.

    The topic of the thread was the broadsheet "article". There is an agenda at work there which i cannot see clearly yet. However given every other media's attitude towards hunting, and firearms in general, i'm not surprised. However the tactics used in it are vulgar and disrespectful to the people involved in the atrocity. Hence my reason for commenting on it.
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  • #28
    laoch na mona
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    sorry i felt the nature of the op was one promoting broader discussion, I genuinely didn't see the comments on the charlie hebdo story,
    i'm not insulting hunting so i'm not sure why you are trying to disagree with me as nothing you say contradicts what I've said.

    anyway this is all well away from the picture of a fox which started the thread


  • #29
    Cass
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    ....... as nothing you say contradicts what I've said.
    Did you not read the post above. It contradicts everything you said.
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  • #30
    dodderangler
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    What just happened :D


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  • #31
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Cass wrote: »
    Did you not read the post above. It contradicts everything you said.

    not really we both said hunting is grand


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