Cork GAA Discussion Thread

I have been banging a drum about this for a while now and you are 100% correct. When I posted in the past that in my opinion that at times there was bias in the underage set up I was vilified. The fact is it is all about who you know. This is one of the fundamental causes of lack of underage success in Cork in the last decade. Its only lately that there have been changes. Inconsistency in continuity between age grouop has also not helped.

What do mean double by exclusive interview with cuthbhert every week??with Mccarthy


Are you saying that Mccarthy has ist call on cork??


If and I emphasis if that's true imo it's wrong



I must say my opinion on the kelly matter is confusing
Papers had last week kelly was out taking break after getting married recently
Then yesterday ballincollig eammon murphy said huge huge doubts over availability three players were fitted in cuthbhrert plans
That's what it said

A bit interesting astraight away that evening news break kelly is coming back

Like something similar earlier year when Moynihan had tweeted breaking news cork football next day

Suddenly cork gaa issues statement that night Mccarthy is leaving as coach
Why isn't clarity given straight away like in kerry and Kilkenney from management

As regards coach it seems Flanagan is soley and only strength conditions coach there is no set football actually football coach announced


This simply must be asked who I's actually doing coaching???
As I get sense no ownership responsible within in cork win well be told too well who coaching drills corl loose it imo won't be case

I must add pat Flanagan is absolutely brilliant in strength conditions wise and cork players are flying that regards I hear
Flangan is proven well proven and tip top top man that regard
Good choice by cuthbhert if he had coach as then flangnan I would not worry bout kerry links in flangnan is doing strength work not actual coaching



Coaching is problem actual coaching
Who in cork Is the coach??
There's a difference like who coach players regards defending lines, spatial awareness, movement in to space, creating and development of mindset that's adaptable to match day scenario and who implements system a and b, who actually watches if player works of poor left foot or is poor catcher on left side etc and improves that


Who will actually coach brian hurley who I dread to think could be under development if not coached properly at this point in career in he's brilliant has it all but has tendency shoot widely at times take wrong selfish options but good coaching make him a better player



Who can coach o donughe from bring good club player to elite senior as imo potential is there
Sean kiely is awesome talent but crokes game proved hes raw, decisions making poor. Work rate good but must be great as modern midfielder must have great work rate and he's right foot bit erratic
Whos the coach to do that???
Some managers can manage and coach like eammon ryan, Morgan, English Mccarthy, mcguinness etc
Some need a coach


Cit have kissane, haven haven under twenty ones have Mccarthy , Barrs have leahy, kerry have o neill, kerry have Buckley, who do cork senior have???
We have ex players but not good enough
A great coach must be a sublime thinker of the game
Cork football imo is going to struggle badly in the league as frailties will be exposed up north and if there's even ounce lack belief from players where you must have spirt and belive to grind out results then cork are in dire trouble imo
We can't appointment coach in may after realising mistake was made
In fact January is even too late
But better later than never




That team imo slightly improvement last week but the amount of tactical mistake I's imo baffling


Do they actually know anything about full back play???
We have three half backs playing corner back
O donughe too slow for corner back but better centre
Clancy is not a full back as he's instinct is to attack the ball and not play he's aera
He should be centre with course sullivan full back
Loughrey can't defend one v one even mallow know this hence playing him midfield where's he's better
He's better half back line with holding centre back
What is there obsession with playing half backs like Dorman, loughrey, Clancy. O donughe corner back???
Do they actually understand corner back is a specialist role



Half back line balance all wrong
Sullivan too slow at half back, cadogan is too indecisive and carry balls steps too far so break tackles but won't delivery fast ball
Hazel???
On what basis, he started half back v tipp way too light imo


Midfield

Gould and cussen saved by riordain absence but if tipp have good midfield thry will struggle in cussen won't win ball if it gets tough and he's delivery execution pass poor

Modern midfielder must also do huge work on opposition kick out like run, chase and close down space and have good engine
Cussen work rate is not imo good enough to do a role or has he the legs to do it
Yet cuthbhert needs to see more games
Thres times this week media glorified he's performance sunday
Now to be far and equal if he's bad game will they have same attention to he's performance
It's only fair good and bad judged in equal domain by cuthbhert also


Colm o driscoll fine sweeping ball has dog and bite of steel within I never doubted but he's easily blown off the ball just replay cork v mayo, he's winning ball is fine but he can't finish move against top team's as scoring and creating huge huge problem
O rourke is brillant.

Donnacha is fine and brillant leader of all men and is fine problem is may not get enough ball and will be on the back foot
Mac eoin brilliant choice and as fit here Begs questions why was he training across other ptich when he could been given introduction last week in more potential than Desmond or hayes
Colm brilliant
Hurley brilliant

Problem is though all three won't work in all too selfish in all want goals or go themselves and balance all wrong in cork meant be playing blanket but of so who out of Colm, Hurley or Dan drops back as tracker to half forward in imo none are that type player and be unfair expect them to do that


There should be just one of Colm hurley or Dan inside any of two will do
Imo again management talked about blanked defences but here were either gone back to direct route pump high ball in or else we playing blanket with full forward imo that either one can't be a tracker back allow space two man full forward line inside
So in essence imo this will not work
One of these full forward line will have a poor game and I won't criticism them as management fault picking wrong dynamic in your back you won't know who give ball to as all alike and all threw will wait for ball inside and there's no space
This is just all wrong of an inside line and concept thought imo shows like full half back lines and midfield basic fundamental games are forgotten imo



I don't know tipp team but if they play a blanket and it's strong team this cork team where the balance and dynamic is all wrong imo will loose
Again I'm sad to say nothing has actually been learned from looking at team selection and the sub bench
Imo no direction no defined pattern style of play and there going through the motions yet it's January

Thinkstoomuch.. You seem to be very confident in all of the cork set ups at the moment ??? Do you see any problems or are you convinced we are going to see proper results this year !!!

COL6CB wrote: »

How do you fancy hammies chances? Are Ardscoil Rís beatable? I think so

Absolutely any team can beat them hammies can

I'd slightly worry about full back line as Ard scoil potent full forward line but I'd have huge confidence in Aidan o donughe coaching as said before

What I meant was that with Ag on Friday and the other three in Wednesday then no matter what games chosen it means cork fans have chance see two different teams cork two different days

Not case of hammies shouldn't be supported

My apologies if it sounded that way

I'm huge fan hammies great school
Rochestown also
Youghal like wise
Tough to choose between three games

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/busy-times-for-cunningham-as-ucc-gear-up-for-cork-test-305804.html


Great read

I'd say cork will win tonight as very strong team
Hard know ucc team hopefully be competive
Ger cunningham has some background team ucc seanie Mcgrath, noel furlong top young coach in making and Jim McCeovy etc

Teams for tonight

Lads what's the craic? There's a fella pretending to be Chris O leary there but that's not me so don't listen to a word of his bull****

Ah lads - will Ye not be paying any attention to the ****e and waffle that's put up on forums

Fellas are busy promoting their own and everyone thinks they're an expert

keep the head down andd get on with yer games

Or at least pass on the message
G'luck

COL6CB wrote: »

I think that thinks too much has a great knowledge of hurling. So you're talking waffle

Carry on so

seventh7 wrote: »

Its a very delicate balance between confident and Cocky. Lots of kids lack confidence and with coaches that look for kids with confidence and swagger these kids can be sidelined. It should be about nurturing and bringing them on seeing the possibility for development down the line. We have a non physical mindset in Cork hurling, we think that we are the aristocrats of hurling as in the past we have been, our skill levels usually helped to get over the line against more robust apponents. The game has moved on driven by the likes of Klkenny. We have favoured lighter wristy underage hurlers over the more robust can do kids. Our underage results show this stark fact. By limiting the selection process we have compacted our player base. Team selection must be about balance and unfortunatley at underage level the balance has been ignored for many years now. Kids grow and develope at different times and the slower maturing kids have been marginalised. The academy structure has helped in recent years but it still promotes underage stars. It has been the experience of other sports namely soccer that very few kids make the grade at the top level, therefore the broader the player base the better chance of bring through kids to senior level.

Would agree seven, have seen a lot of cork underage last few years stars at u14 not making it up to minor remember big strong lad John o' Sullivan from Ahan Gaels I think a few years ago was fantastic but have not seen him last few years, Sean og gately from Courcey again u14/15 great prospect then. Young lads change very quickly physical at 17/18, have to be fairly robust to move onto adult hurling

Anyone have the teams from tonight's cork UCC match ? And anyone that was at an report would be much appreciated

Reports in the echo, score.ie and examiner tomorrow.

CORK V UL - WATERFORD CRYSTAL CUP SATURDAY AT CIT 2.00 P.M. 08/01/2015

The Cork Senior Hurlers open their 2015 season on Saturday against the University of Limerick, (UL), in the Waterford Crystal Cup, at the CIT grounds, Bishopstown.
Waterford Crystal Cup (Preliminary Round): Cork v UL
Saturday 10th. January 2015, at CIT 2.00 p.m.
Referee: Paul Foley (Waterford)
Extra time if necessary ( 2 periods x 10 Minutes)
Quarter Final: W/e 18th January - Winners Cork / UL v CIT
As always, we'll have live updates from the game here on the website and on our Twitter page, @OfficialCorkGAA.

The Cork team for Saturday’s game lines out as follows:
Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)
William Kearney (Sarsfields)
Damien Cahalane (St.Finbarr’s)
Sean O’Donoghue (Inniscarra)
Brian O’Sullivan (Fermoy)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Glen O’Connor (St.Finbarr’s)
Paul Haughney (Midleton)
Brian Murray (Bishopstown)
Peter Kelleher (Kilmichael)
Alan Frahill-O’Connor (Youghal)
Andy Walsh (Killeagh)
Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)
Dayne Lee (Na Piarsaigh)
Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)
Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)
Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Christopher Joyce, Na Piarsaigh, lines out at centre back for Cork in their opening round of the Waterford Crystal Cup, at the CIT grounds on Saturday.
Paul Haughney, Midleton and Brian Murray, Bishopstown, form the mid-field partnership.
The selectors have given Peter Kelleher, Kilmichael, Alan Frahill-O’Connor, Youghal, and Andy Walsh, Killeagh the task of leading the half-forward line on this occasion.



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Jbm true word keep same team last Saturday fair play

Good team

Collins superb keeper all he needs going forward is patient as not if he plays senior just when in he's got it all and nash is main man buy once he's patient he will wear corl senior jersey

Darren mac ahead him but Darren mac not playing in goals club may go against him
Cahalane gets run full back and that imo best position
O donoughue imo should swap with sullivan and be fair has done everything asked so far
I can't wait see glen o connor though he had brilliant season and was on cork b strike team before and I like him worth a look

Joyce is brilliant at centre back he's best position
Haughey and Murray imo are too light and too tippy fast hurling and too alike and imo I don't think either has toughness hurling up against likes Paul Browne or riche hogan



Half forward line worries me. In I don't think kelleher will make senior hurling but worth a look
Walsh didn't impress me the other day really
Frahill o connor did work hard
As a unit I'm worries we have three ball winners no scorer here


Full forward line is potential good in Moylan and farell are lethal with debut man dayne lee
Lee has huge potential but I won't judge him in imo after harty cup tommorrow it's huge ask then day after imo mentally more than physically as play harty and make cork debut is lot take in

He has talent to have good game but if doesn't not time to judge him
Imo better half forward also
I think lee main focus should be tommorrow game as plenty time cork and if he's half forward for Ag I think he'll be just fine



Good bench and it's good team