Athiests - Who cares

catallus · 08-01-2015 05:04AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Is the cat alive or is it dead?

I knew a cat once called Lazarus.

Probably dead now.

AboutaWeekAgo · 08-01-2015 08:01AM

The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

Dirty Steve · 08-01-2015 08:08AM

Is there an atheist version of Jehovah's witnesses?
Knock to your door and start talking about evolution.

Grayson · 08-01-2015 08:15AM

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

The worst type of theists/deists are the type that think their magical friend is better than everyone else's magical friends. They'll even stand out in public with big placards telling everyone that if they don't believe in in their magical friend, their magical friend will get angry.

Actually the worst type are the ones that kill people because their magical friend tells them it's ok in that special magical book.

Kiwi in IE · 08-01-2015 08:19AM

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

I agree with you on that, and the worst kinds of religious people are the ones who murder in the name of their religion.

iDave · 08-01-2015 08:22AM

The worst kind of atheists are those that talk about it a lot and think they're smarter than everyone else. Very annoying people.
The worst kind of theist murders and bombs those who disagrees with them or 'insults' their deity/prophet etc.
Atheists not so bad after all.

TwoShedsJackson · 08-01-2015 08:23AM

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

As long as those atheists aren't murdering a dozen people for blasphemy, blowing themselves up on a bus or at a wedding, travelling thousands of miles to kill or forcibly convert 'heathens', or attempting to force others to comply with their rules in society, they're still streets ahead of the worst theists, even if they are dickheads.

Grayson · 08-01-2015 08:24AM

COYVB wrote: »

They're not used that way in terms of religion though. Practically everyone who uses the word agnostic regarding religion uses it as a cop out alternative to theist or atheist. In that context athiest and agnostic are the same thing: non-believer

There's technically hard and soft atheism. rather than Deist - Agnostic - Atheist, there's actually a load of steps in-between. The difference between hard and soft atheism is that one absolutely denies the existence of god and the other just says there's no evidence and it's unlikely.

I don't like the while denying thing. It's only because I'm an extremely logical person. Saying there's no God is very hard to do. There is the Russell teapot analogy. If I say there's a teapot floating around the earth in an orbit between us and the moon, there's no evidence for it except for what I say. there are three ways to accept this statement

1) Accept it (Noob)
2) State that there is no such tea pot.
3) State that there may very well be a teapot but you've given me no reason to accept that it's there. I have no reason what so ever to believe that there's a teapot or anything like it there.

In some ways it's just semantics. Stating a refusal to believe isn't quite the same as stating a denial of existence. However when it comes to religion the result is still the same and that's atheism.

The same goes for agnosticism. There's a point where agnostics are pretty much atheists and vice versa.

Cabaal · 08-01-2015 08:38AM

kneemos wrote: »

Atheism is flawed logic as it rules out the possibility of the unexplained and as any scientist will tell you their whole life is devoted to the unexplained.

Yes, because the likes of the Christian or Muslim faiths are just 100% logical and sensible.....

Jamiekelly · 08-01-2015 08:48AM

"You never turn on the news in the evening only to be greeted with the headline 'The Atheist stronghold took heavy fire and mortar shelling today from the Agnostic basecamp"
- Doug Stanhope

Grayson · 08-01-2015 09:07AM

kneemos wrote: »

Atheism is flawed logic as it rules out the possibility of the unexplained and as any scientist will tell you their whole life is devoted to the unexplained.

Scientists devote their efforts to finding answers to questions they don't know. If they didn't the pinnacle of modern science would be Aristoles physics. Unlike Christians who accept that a book written 2000 years ago is the pinnacle of knowledge.

Atheists don't rule out every possibility, just the ones with no rational backing. In fact it's generally accepted, and studies back it up, that atheists know more about religion than believers do. It's because atheists at some point started asking questions and started looking for answers. This involves actually studying religion which is not something most religious people do. If the person doesn't find answers which satisfy them, they become atheists.

Pherekydes · 08-01-2015 09:11AM

kneemos wrote: »

Atheism is flawed logic as it rules out the possibility of the unexplained and as any scientist will tell you their whole life is devoted to the unexplained.

Atheism doesn't rule anything out. It's simply a lack of belief in deities.

AndonHandon wrote: »

Atheism and agnosticism are the same thing.

You need a new dictionary.

ZiabR · 08-01-2015 09:17AM

Dirty Steve wrote: »

Is there an atheist version of Jehovah's witnesses?
Knock to your door and start talking about evolution.

I am an atheist and I have never heard of something like that. I don't try and force anything onto anyone else, unlike some other beliefs.

Each to their own.

Akrasia · 08-01-2015 09:18AM

Dirty Steve wrote: »

Is there an atheist version of Jehovah's witnesses?
Knock to your door and start talking about evolution.

nope

Grayson · 08-01-2015 09:22AM

Akrasia wrote: »

nope

lol, can you imagine an atheist knock knock joke?

Knock Knock
Who's there
Not God because he's not real

Still be better than having Richard Dawkins there. As much as i agree with most of what he says, he can be an irritating cnut sometimes.

Shrap · 08-01-2015 09:23AM

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

The worst kind of person are the ones who think they are right to the extent that they cannot accept that other people should be allowed to think/feel/act differently.

Akrasia · 08-01-2015 09:26AM

When I go out for pints with friends and certain relatives, I go out for lively conversation. I hate bland meaningless chit-chat, I have to put up with enough of that at work

I don't always talk about religion, i also talk about politics, current affairs, philosophy, literature, music, sport... but the best conversations are where there is a friendly disagreement between people who strongly hold opposing views.

It's a joy to be involved in a battle of wits with someone who you respect and will engage with you in a good natured discussion.

Not everyone enjoys this, and thats why 'god' invented soap operas and the x factor

Dravokivich · 08-01-2015 09:26AM

Grayson wrote: »

Scientists devote their efforts to finding answers to questions they don't know. If they didn't the pinnacle of modern science would be Aristoles physics. Unlike Christians who accept that a book written 2000 years ago is the pinnacle of knowledge.

Atheists don't rule out every possibility, just the ones with no rational backing. In fact it's generally accepted, and studies back it up, that atheists know more about religion than believers do. It's because atheists at some point started asking questions and started looking for answers. This involves actually studying religion which is not something most religious people do. If the person doesn't find answers which satisfy them, they become atheists.

Why would someone have to do that to be an atheist? Isn't it just the same as being apolitical?

twowheelsonly · 08-01-2015 09:31AM

Grayson wrote: »

.....In fact it's generally accepted, and studies back it up, that atheists know more about religion than believers do. It's because atheists at some point started asking questions and started looking for answers.....

This is the bit I actually find quite funny. I have no problem with Atheists really - just the vocal ones that talk about religion even more than the most religious people that I know !!

Shrap · 08-01-2015 09:32AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why would someone have to do that to be an atheist? Isn't it just the same as being apolitical?

Not in this country. In countries where growing up atheist is not questioned by others or discriminated against, they may not have to question the pervasive religious belief. Here, you find out the hard way. I was always atheist, so that's my story. For people who were brought up religious, I can imagine that the force feeding of said religion at home and at school led them to question why, and in what name, they were being forced to believe something.

08-01-2015 09:37AM

Dirty Steve wrote: »

Is there an atheist version of Jehovah's witnesses?
Knock to your door and start talking about evolution.

Micheal Shermer does joke about the time he used to be a door to door religious preacher - handing out free bibles. The real evangelizing type. When he realised it was all tosh he was highly tempted to go back to all the same doors and ask for the books back - and apologise. He likely thought better of going through another round of unsolicited irritating time wasting though

kneemos · 08-01-2015 09:40AM

Grayson wrote: »

Scientists devote their efforts to finding answers to questions they don't know. If they didn't the pinnacle of modern science would be Aristoles physics. Unlike Christians who accept that a book written 2000 years ago is the pinnacle of knowledge.

Christians certainly don't accept the Bible as the pinnacle of knowledge,in fact they are constantly changing their understanding of it.
Nobody believed the Earth was round at one point.No scientist would dismiss something purely because of lack of evidence,it would be the complete opposite of a scientific and inquiring mind.

Dirty Steve · 08-01-2015 09:45AM

logik wrote: »

I am an atheist and I have never heard of something like that. I don't try and force anything onto anyone else, unlike some other beliefs.

Each to their own.

I was joking about the atheist jehovah's witnesses. Apologies if that wasnt clear.

Dirty Steve · 08-01-2015 09:48AM

Grayson wrote: »

lol, can you imagine an atheist knock knock joke?

Knock Knock
Who's there
Not God because he's not real

Still be better than having Richard Dawkins there. As much as i agree with most of what he says, he can be an irritating cnut sometimes.

I'd rather pamphlets handed to people at their door with the title:
"Coming to terms with there being no God."

Grayson · 08-01-2015 09:52AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why would someone have to do that to be an atheist? Isn't it just the same as being apolitical?

That's atheism. You have all the people who believe in something supernatural and then you have atheists who don't get involved. They looked at all the options and decided the only rational response is not to join in.

Shenshen · 08-01-2015 09:52AM

kneemos wrote: »

Christians certainly don't accept the Bible as the pinnacle of knowledge,in fact they are constantly changing their understanding of it.
Nobody believed the Earth was round at one point.No scientist would dismiss something purely because of lack of evidence,it would be the complete opposite of a scientific and inquiring mind.

How many scientist do you know researching unicorns? Or the phenomenon of sunspots making people born under the start sing of aquarius sing "The Sound of Music" every Tuesday morning?

Few scientist will inevstigate something for which there simply is no evidence and no testable hypothesis. Scientist will observe a phenomenon and then investigate it and find an explanation for it.
No observable phenomenon, no scientific interest.

keithclancy · 08-01-2015 09:53AM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars. I know another Athiest who loves telling people that he is an athiest and going on about how he has been arguing about his wife about baptising the child and keeps bringing it up. I don't care if you are an athiest just please stay quiet about it! How are your athiest friends?

Sounds like a non-religious extremist

Links234 · 08-01-2015 09:54AM

harrymagina wrote: »

Had a friend going around telling the whole local pub he is an athiest after a few jars. I know another Athiest who loves telling people that he is an athiest and going on about how he has been arguing about his wife about baptising the child and keeps bringing it up. I don't care if you are an athiest just please stay quiet about it! How are your athiest friends?

You know, the thing about baptizing the kid may be a pretty huge issue in their relationship, it's a very serious thing, some friend you are thinking he should just shut up about it?

kneemos · 08-01-2015 10:09AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Few scientist will inevstigate something for which there simply is no evidence and no testable hypothesis. Scientist will observe a phenomenon and then investigate it and find an explanation for it.
No observable phenomenon, no scientific interest.

The very essence of science is to investigate that for which there is no evidence,(Aliens) particularly if it is part of culture or folklore and something which billions believe.

constance tench · 08-01-2015 10:17AM

Links234 wrote: »

You know, the thing about baptizing the kid may be a pretty huge issue in their relationship, it's a very serious thing, some friend you are thinking he should just shut up about it?

What's the big deal?
If he's an atheist it wouldn't be a real baptism!
Or would it...?

Athiests - Who cares

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