Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

1131132134136137195

Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    lazygal wrote: »
    Actually, a quick read of the experience of the Lost Boys of the FLDS sects in the USA would show you very quickly that polygamy is incredibly harmful to children and women. Particularly as it is inherently unequal, only men can have multiple wives and the secretive nature of the relationships leaves women and children in a very vulnerable state.

    Sames as SSM children are not apart of marraige you cannot use them to stop marraige of consenting adults, also if the woman doesn't want to get married she doesn't have to.

    I cannot see a reason to discriminate against people that want a polygamous marraige


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    I cannot see a reason to discriminate against people that want a polygamous marraige

    Then campaign for it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    lazygal wrote: »
    Why would you vote no? Surely polygamy has nothing to do with allowing two men or two women to marry each other? What is the Muslim 'and the likes' position on polygamy anyway? I've already pointed out your mistake regarding the LDS position.

    Given your other posts, I suspect I'm wasting my time on trying to enlighten you so I'll stop bothering now.

    Just cause you don't like is not a reason to not allow it, that is the same reason as the current no voters on SSM


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    Then campaign for it.

    I am and making sure people vote no on the marraige referendum till it's inculsive of all adults


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    Just cause you don't like is not a reason to not allow it, that is the same reason as the current no voters on SSM

    Again campaign for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    macyard wrote: »
    I would vote no cause they don't allow polygamy.

    All adults should be allowed to marry and if we are going to fix marraige now we might as well fix it right, leaving out polygamy is discrimination against muslims and the likes.
    Conflating gay marriage and polygamy is a common tactic among those opposed so please forgive me as I find it it hard to take these posts seriously.

    If serious, why can't you look at this referendum on it's merits alone and campaign for a separate polygamy referendum later? Again, if you're serious, do you mean to say you don't think two people of the same gender shouldn't be allowed to marry because polygamy isn't allowed?

    Edit: Imagine there are two referenda in May, one to allow same-sex marriage and another entirely separate one to allow polygamous marriage, how would you vote on both?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    I am and making sure people vote no on the marraige referendum till it's inculsive of all adults

    Except if you vote no you're not making it inclusive?

    Changing what sexuality can marry and the number of people who can marry are two different things. You can have polygamy be hetro only and still exclude homosexual people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    macyard wrote: »
    Just cause you don't like is not a reason to not allow it, that is the same reason as the current no voters on SSM
    You're right, I don't like it, but that's not the reason I think it shouldn't form part of the debate on gay marriage.
    I've read extensively on the history of polygamy in the LDS church as it is a subject of great interest to me. Everything I have read about polygamy as experienced by the LDS faithful has lead me to conclude that it is a harmful practice which treats women appalingly and leads to severe social, cultural and psychological difficulties for the women and their many children.
    None of this has anything to do with the referendum on extending civil marriage to gay people in Ireland. Given your other posts I strongly suspect you're a troll posting for a rise and are simply throwing in polygamy to get a rise out of other posters.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    Except if you vote no you're not making it inclusive?

    No half measures on being inculsive, if you give some people rights now it will be harder for polygamous people to get rights later. If we give rights to all at once if will be quicker and easier


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    No half measures on being inculsive, if you give some people rights now it will be harder for polygamous people to get rights later. If we give rights to all at once if will be quicker and easier

    No, if you vote no to homosexual people being allowed to marry you can make it harder for homosexual people to marry more than one person.

    By voting no you agree with the what marriage is now. Two people, a man and woman.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    lazygal wrote: »
    You're right, I don't like it, but that's not the reason I think it shouldn't form part of the debate on gay marriage.
    I've read extensively on the history of polygamy in the LDS church as it is a subject of great interest to me. Everything I have read about polygamy as experienced by the LDS faithful has lead me to conclude that it is a harmful practice which treats women appalingly and leads to severe social, cultural and psychological difficulties for the women and their many children.
    None of this has anything to do with the referendum on extending civil marriage to gay people in Ireland. Given your other posts I strongly suspect you're a troll posting for a rise and are simply throwing in polygamy to get a rise out of other posters.

    But children have noting to do with marraige, if we are going to bring children into the debate where they don't belong, I have read articles of SS couples adopting children to abuse.

    But children have noting to do with marriage and should not be a factor on not allowing polygamous marraige between consenting adults.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    But children have noting to do with marriage and should not be a factor on not allowing polygamous marraige between consenting adults.

    Likewise this referendum has nothing to do with polygamous marriage and it shouldn't be a factor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    No, if you vote no to homosexual people being allowed to marry you can make it harder for homosexual people to marry more than one person.

    By voting no you agree with the what marriage is now. Two people, a man and woman.


    The referendum might fail then it can try again in another year with it being inculsive of all adults. I dom't like the marraige as it is now but if we are going to change it we need to male it right for all not just right for some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    macyard wrote: »
    The referendum might fail then it can try again in another year with it being inculsive of all adults. I dom't like the marraige as it is now but if we are going to change it we need to male it right for all not just right for some.
    Are you involved in the campaign to hold a referendum on polygamous marriage?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    Likewise this referendum has nothing to do with polygamous marriage and it shouldn't be a factor.

    But it should and I am working to get word out it's a discriminatory referendum, it's a marrige referendum not a SSM referendum.

    They need to do it right, even if it fails this time next time they might make it inculsive of all


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    macyard wrote: »
    The referendum might fail then it can try again in another year with it being inculsive of all adults. I dom't like the marraige as it is now but if we are going to change it we need to male it right for all not just right for some.

    Imagine there are two referenda in May, one to allow same-sex marriage and another entirely separate one to allow polygamous marriage, how would you vote on both?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    I dom't like the marraige as it is now but if we are going to change it we need to male it right for all not just right for some.

    By voting no you're making it right for some and no guarantee that you will ever get a new referendum.

    Divorce Referendum 1986. Second time 1995. You prepared to wait nearly a decade?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    lazygal wrote: »
    Are you involved in the campaign to hold a referendum on polygamous marriage?

    We are working and trying to make it legal, we are telling people to vote no till it's inculsive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    We are working and trying to make it legal, we are telling people to vote no till it's inculsive.

    Who's we? Do you have a website?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    By voting no you're making it right for some and no guarantee that you will ever get a new referendum.

    Divorce Referendum 1986. Second time 1995. You prepared to wait nearly a decade?

    Yes I am to not discrimate against consenting adults, do it right or not at all


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    macyard wrote: »
    We are working and trying to make it legal, we are telling people to vote no till it's inculsive.
    Who's 'we'?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    Who's we? Do you have a website?

    We are a local group and people don't take kindly to our group living so are fairly close knit no need for a site


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    We are a local group and people don't take kindly to our group living so are fairly close knit no need for a site

    I thought you were trying to campaign though? Can you link to your campaign materials then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    macyard wrote: »
    We are a local group and people don't take kindly to our group living so are fairly close knit no need for a site
    You won't get a referendum passed with that attitude.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    lazygal wrote: »
    Who's 'we'?

    Our local group is about 5 families we you google groups to talk about the hardships and discrimination with others throught Ireland and the world. We discuss there how to campaign for equall rights for all


  • Moderators Posts: 51,893 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    macyard wrote: »
    But it should and I am working to get word out it's a discriminatory referendum, it's a marrige referendum not a SSM referendum.

    They need to do it right, even if it fails this time next time they might make it inculsive of all
    The referendum is about allowing same-sex couples to avail of civil marriage. It is a SSM referendum.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    macyard wrote: »
    But children have noting to do with marraige, if we are going to bring children into the debate where they don't belong, I have read articles of SS couples adopting children to abuse.

    I was wondering when this would get dragged up. *sigh*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    Our local group is about 5 families we you google groups to talk about the hardships and discrimination with others throught Ireland and the world. We discuss there how to campaign for equall rights for all

    You do have equal rights though?

    Nobody can marry more than one person. Therefore you're equal. Only hetrosexual people can marry though.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    I was wondering when this would get dragged up. *sigh*

    They they are going to attack my lifestyle why cannot I do the same for theres


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Thankful Thunderstorm


    Hmm, abstract random thoughts.

    There is a giant tower that a community is trying to demolish as it is causing a problem with lighting.

    They currently have some explosives that will knock some of it down, and hope that every year they will be able to buy more explosives.

    One person suggests "let's blow some of the tower up now, and let some light into the town, each year we can keep taking more off the tower". They campaign for use of the stock.

    Another suggests waiting, "Let's wait until we've managed to get all the explosives together and do it all at once". They campaign against use of the stock.


  • Advertisement
  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    You do have equal rights though?

    Nobody can marry more than one person. Therefore you're equal. Only hetrosexual people can marry though.

    I couldn't marry the mothers of my children, only one so I cannot get proper guardianship of some of my children, some of the mothers have less right also as not being married .

    Yes aonly heterosexual can marry one person atm, we are about to fix marraige so lets fix it right and for all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    Yes aonly heterosexual can marry one person atm, we are about to fix marraige so lets fix it right and for all

    By denying homosexual people the right to marry?

    Giving that you aren't campaigning I have sincere doubts of your ability to get a referendum. Perhaps in 20 or 30 years?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Hmm, abstract random thoughts.

    There is a giant tower that a community is trying to demolish as it is causing a problem with lighting.

    They currently have some explosives that will knock some of it down, and hope that every year they will be able to buy more explosives.

    One person suggests "let's blow some of the tower up now, and let some light into the town, each year we can keep taking more off the tower". They campaign for use of the stock.

    Another suggests waiting, "Let's wait until we've managed to get all the explosives together and do it all at once". They campaign against use of the stock.

    Problem is once light hits some of the community they will stop trying to demolish the tower cause it's too hard and they already have there light so they can live on in happiness


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    By denying homosexual people the right to marry?

    By working for equal rights of all, there is strenght in numbers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    By working for equal rights of all, there is strenght in numbers

    You have equal rights. No one can marry more than one person.

    You are not working for homosexual rights so please stop discriminating against us and making life hard for us.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    You have equal rights. No one can marry more than one person.

    And two gay men cannot marry, I won't vote to change marriage untill they make marriage inculsive to all.

    Why are you so against consenting adults marrying, why are you discriminating towards us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    Why are you so against consenting adults marrying?

    I'm not. You are.
    macyard wrote: »
    And two gay men cannot marry, I won't vote to change marriage untill they make marriage inculsive to all.

    Why are you against two homosexual people marrying then?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    I'm not. You are.



    Why are you against two homosexual people marrying then?


    No hence a vote no till all can marry, this is the same reason a lot of gays where agsinst CP, do it right or not at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    macyard wrote: »
    They they are going to attack my lifestyle why cannot I do the same for theres
    Who's attacking your lifestyle? Could you address my question please? How would you vote on two separate referenda on the same day, one on same-sex marriage, and the other on polygamous marriage?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    No hence a vote no till all can marry.

    The start campaigning. I'll consider your views when I see your campaign.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Who's attacking your lifestyle? Could you address my question please? How would you vote on two separate referenda on the same day, one on same-sex marriage, and the other on polygamous marriage?

    No to both, we need an inculsive marraige if there is a chance one passes and the other fails it's not a inclusive new marraige system.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    The start campaigning. I'll consider your views when I see your campaign.

    We only just started when the current referendum became popular, we cannot do much in 3 months so push for NO now and will work with the lgbt for an inculsive proposal for the next chance


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Thankful Thunderstorm


    macyard wrote: »
    No to both, we need an inculsive marraige if there is a chance one passes and the other fails it's not a inclusive new marraige system.

    Given that a referendum would be called in order to amend the constitution, could you give us an idea of the language you would like entered into the constitution that you would vote yes on (all inclusive)?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Given that a referendum would be called in order to amend the constitution, could you give us an idea of the language you would like entered into the constitution that you would vote yes on (all inclusive)?

    That all consenting adults be allowed to marry and have aa many partners as they see fit.

    This will allow gay and gay polygamous marriage also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    We only just started when the current referendum became popular, we cannot do much in 3 months so push for NO now and will work with the lgbt for an inculsive proposal for the next chance

    So after 30/40 years after all the fights successive generations of Irish homosexuals (and friends) went through to achieve the same rights you will hop on the bandwagon and vote no without doing any work yourselves?

    Your group lacks courage.


  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Thankful Thunderstorm


    macyard wrote: »
    Problem is once light hits some of the community they will stop trying to demolish the tower cause it's too hard and they already have there light so they can live on in happiness

    But isn't this already proven to be incorrect? Is it only homosexual people campaigning for SSM? If that was the case, perhaps you might have a point.

    'all kinds of' People campaign for & against the rights of 'all kinds of' People.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    So after 30/40 years after all the fights successive generations of Irish homosexuals (and friends) went through to achieve the same rights you will hop on the bandwagon and vote no without doing any work yourselves?

    Your group lacks courage.

    There is lgbt people that want polygamous marriage also. Up till now we are more hated then lbgt people so only in the last few years are people starting to think inclusive, there is still some bigots as we see in this thread but if we work together we can get a fair marriage system for all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    macyard wrote: »
    There is lgbt people that want polygamous marriage also. Up till now we are more hated then lbgt people so only in the last few years are people starting to think inclusive, there is still some bigots as we see in this thread but if we work together we can get a fair marriage system for all

    Why do you think LGBT people would work with you after you voted no to them being able to marry?

    You don't want to work together.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    But isn't this already proven to be incorrect? Is it only homosexual people campaigning for SSM? If that was the case, perhaps you might have a point.

    'all kinds of' People campaign for & against the rights of 'all kinds of' People.

    Most straight people won't turn out at the referendum, it's predicted to be the lowest turnnout referendum ever. We are hated even more then SSM so one the light hits the majority the rest of us will be left in the dark


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 380 ✭✭macyard


    Daith wrote: »
    Why do you think LGBT people would work with you after you voted no to them being able to marry?

    Why are the people that wanted CP working with the ones that worked against it, cause people in time will learn not to be bigoted


  • Advertisement
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement