Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Trond · 05-01-2015 11:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

So we are playing fucking horrible in it and he doesn't like to use it anyway, so why do we continue to play it?

We had the personnel available to play 4 at the back yesterday, so why did he start with 352?

I never said he doesn't like to use it.

Its an option he turns to in certain scenarios. He used it with the Dutch team during the world cup. He certainly didn't have the personnel in midfield to play 433 yesterday.

Only when we sign someone like Strootman/Vidal will you see him trust a 433 with United....

Mitch Connor · 05-01-2015 11:50AM

Trond wrote: »

I never said he doesn't like to use it.

Its an option he turns to in certain scenarios. He used it with the Dutch team during the world cup. He certainly didn't have the personnel in midfield to play 433 yesterday.

Only when we sign someone like Strootman/Vidal will you see him trust a 433 with United....

Not sure he would trust the wingers either, and is top heavy on strikers for a 433.

I reckon the 442 diamond we have breifly seen is the plan, the one Nuts posted above. It is the only formation I think makes sense for the squad we have.

Trond · 05-01-2015 11:54AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not sure he would trust the wingers either, and is top heavy on strikers for a 433.

I reckon the 442 diamond we have breifly seen is the plan, the one Nuts posted above. It is the only formation I think makes sense for the squad we have.

Yeah big time, none of them are really suited to anything other than the central role in a front 3. Wilson could be an option long term for one of the other slots (on the right of a front 3).

At this stage anything other than a 352 suits me! Poor De Gea has had more back passes this season than the rest of his career to date!

bangkok · 05-01-2015 11:57AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Been saying this all season. If Moyes had been at this he would have been labelled as bowing to player pressure or something, but LVG gets away with it.

And I'll also repeat what I said a few weeks ago, Wilson has done absolutely zilch to justify the gametime he is getting.

you are clearly not seeing any utd reserve games so

Ordinary man · 05-01-2015 11:57AM

I might be in a minority here but i don't think falcao has done enough or shown enough to be bought for the kind of money that's being talked about.I'd prefer to see united go after a striker who would offer more physical presence and pace.

beno619 · 05-01-2015 11:59AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Been saying this all season. If Moyes had been at this he would have been labelled as bowing to player pressure or something, but LVG gets away with it.

And I'll also repeat what I said a few weeks ago, Wilson has done absolutely zilch to justify the gametime he is getting.

Rooney's goals are covering things up a bit.

Since he see's Rooney as a Midfielder that effectively make Wilson our 3rd choice striker along with injuries to Di Maria and Herrera which may explains why he has gotten so many games

beno619 · 05-01-2015 12:01PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

I might be in a minority here but i don't think falcao has done enough or shown enough to be bought for the kind of money that's being talked about.I'd prefer to see united go after a striker who would offer more physical presence and pace.

Dont think your in a minority on this one.

TheDoc · 05-01-2015 12:02PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

I might be in a minority here but i don't think falcao has done enough or shown enough to be bought for the kind of money that's being talked about.I'd prefer to see united go after a striker who would offer more physical presence and pace.

I'm with you there. A few friends are saying I'm being harsh and that he needs match fitness etc. Sorry, that's not really the sort of excuse I'd buy for a guy on 300k a week and will cost in excess of €40m.

It was no secret he was suffering serious issues after he was rushed back to try make the world cup, and then rushed back for Monaco exasperating his injury. In his Athletico days he had explosive pace, that I havn't seen yet.

His first touch thus far has been absolutely shocking, with balls bouncing off him like he is a brick wall. That might be down to rustiness, but when exactly does that wear off? Surely he gets balls fired at him in training with back to goal to work on it. He had some nice touches yesterday but still had some very loose ones.

Unless he hits a vein of uninterrupted form for the rest of the season, scoring and assisting, I don't think his wages or transfer fee would be justified.

As I said previously, Cavani is someone who would probably be more appealing if Falcao doesn't meet expectations, and your looking at outlaying 40m+ on a striker.

TheDoc · 05-01-2015 12:05PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

And Rooney had one of his games where he just can't execute a short simple pass... then goes and plays an inch perfect 60 yarder for the 2nd goal.

I had a feeling Rooney didn't look particularly arsed yesterday. Very slow and laboured in his approach. I think it stemmed from De Gea, who was very slow in his distribution and slowed the game down.

Blackett was the same, with only Smalling really looking to drive forward. Not sure if it was a managerial call, or if the players took the game too lightly.

Unfortunately Fletcher actually looked like he was trying, but was still pretty terrible.

Rooney seemed to saunter and really not exert himself in anyway shape or form. Big risk, considering you can't just flick a switch and turn it on at an instant.

Typically lower league teams give you a burst of energy in the first 20 minutes, so fair enough if you want to slow that down and take the sting out. But we never stepped up after that. Would have felt it better to match them early and just go hard at them to get a few goals up, then coast the game.

Don't think we were in any real danger yesterday, but it looked a slack performance from certain individuals, Rooney being one in particular.

Will I Amnt · 05-01-2015 12:05PM

Falcao has looked more like Andy Carroll than Falcao for a lot of his time at United. His touch has been horrendous.
It would be foolish to write him off completely though.

DM_7 · 05-01-2015 12:06PM

3-5-2 is used to get extra defensive players into the team and make up for the number of central attackers that have to be picked. It also makes it easier for the wing backs to go forward as they have back up behind them so United can still have width.

As a formation it can work well when Carrick is one of the defenders as he is good with possession. Generally it could be a successful formation with better players brought in at the back.

I expect that won't be a move United make though and will be trying to improve the options for Wide players, another MF, right back, to give the team more balance and move to four at the back on a regular basis.

TheDoc · 05-01-2015 12:07PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

DDG

---Raf
Smalling----Rojo
Shaw
Carrick
Di Maria
Herrera
Rooney
RVP
Falcao

Jones for Smalling
Swop Di Maria with Herrera
Mata where Rooney is.
Drop RVP and put Rooney up front with Falcao.

That's probably the team I'd come up with. The persistence with Van Persie is starting to look a bit like favourtism. I think putting Rooney in midfield when there is a perfectly viable slot for him beside Falcao, or RVP, is freaking me out no end.

Rooney should be first choice striker, and then companied by either Falcao or Van Persie, whoever is in best form. At present, Falcao.

I don't find Rooney as intricate as Mata can be, and Mata is just as adept at coming in to find a goal.

TheDoc · 05-01-2015 12:11PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Falcao has looked more like Andy Carroll than Falcao for a lot of his time at United. His touch has been horrendous.
It would be foolish to write him off completely though.

The only thing holding me back from making my call now is that he is a global name and has a well deserved reputation for being a ruthless striker with an insane goal record.

But he has essentially missed half a season, and now has 4-5 months ( only league and FA cup games) to somehow show he is worth the money and worth a spot in the squad.

Falcao is a player you expect 20+ goals a season from. The very fact you have to adjust that tally because he missed the first half of the season, is a big part of the problem.

Really think he needs to bag atleast 15 goals to warrant the club sheding out the big money for him.

05-01-2015 12:11PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Falcao has looked more like Andy Carroll than Falcao for a lot of his time at United. His touch has been horrendous.
It would be foolish to write him off completely though.

The team doesn't play to his strengths. The same reason RVP hasn't looked good the last year and a half and Wilson has failed to get on the score sheet with his time so far. It can't be a coincidence imo. He gets into the positions to make a run on defenders while off the ball but when the ball is played it either goes wide or stagnates. There's absolutely no reason why Falcao should ever get the ball in a position where he has to take more than 2 touches before he's in a position to shoot and yet he's picking it up 40 yards away from goal with his back to the defence. Just pure ridiculousness really.

Lucas Hood · 05-01-2015 12:13PM

DDG

---Raf

Jones----Rojo

Shaw

Carrick

Rooney

Herrera

Mata

RVP

Di Maria

I think we may see something like this over the next while. Don't agree with it myself.

Will I Amnt · 05-01-2015 12:16PM

Liam O wrote: »

The team doesn't play to his strengths. The same reason RVP hasn't looked good the last year and a half and Wilson has failed to get on the score sheet with his time so far. It can't be a coincidence imo. He gets into the positions to make a run on defenders while off the ball but when the ball is played it either goes wide or stagnates. There's absolutely no reason why Falcao should ever get the ball in a position where he has to take more than 2 touches before he's in a position to shoot and yet he's picking it up 40 yards away from goal with his back to the defence. Just pure ridiculousness really.

The chance creation frequency is absolutely shocking of late but it's no excuse for such heavy touches and just generally looking quite poor on the ball.
He has shown flashes of what he's all about but not nearly enough, he's actually looking worse now than he was earlier in the season.

bangkok · 05-01-2015 12:17PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

DDG

---Raf
Jones----Rojo
Shaw
Carrick
Rooney
Herrera
Mata
RVP
Di Maria

I think we may see something like this over the next while. Don't agree with it myself.

well raf and shaw are currently injured so don't think we will be seeing that team, also di maria up front??!

05-01-2015 12:21PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The chance creation frequency is absolutely shocking of late but it's no excuse for such heavy touches and just generally looking quite poor on the ball.
He has shown flashes of what he's all about but not nearly enough, he's actually looking worse now than he was earlier in the season.

It's because he's not a back to goal type of forward. His strengths are getting on the end of through balls and finising quickly. Something else I've noticed from when he gets subbed is that he may not have the best eyesight, maybe an irrelevancy but would be ridiculous to not be wearing contacts or something if that is the case.

Lucas Hood · 05-01-2015 12:23PM

bangkok wrote: »

well raf and shaw are currently injured so don't think we will be seeing that team, also di maria up front??!

Yep he played there yesterday and against Arsenal. Van Gaal could have easily put Rooney up front when Di Maria came on but didn't so I'm reading into that.

pmasterson95 · 05-01-2015 12:43PM

Wouldn't mind Winston Reid on pre-contract.

pmasterson95 · 05-01-2015 12:46PM

Agree about Wilson. I like him and think he will make it. Hes sorta getting thrown in the deep end now. Thats why I didn't like loaning out Chica

Rayne Wooney · 05-01-2015 12:48PM

We were being outplayed completely against Southampton last time out if I remember correctly and LVG had to change the 3-5-2 after half an hour

ElChe32 · 05-01-2015 12:50PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Agree about Wilson. I like him and think he will make it. Hes sorta getting thrown in the deep end now. Thats why I didn't like loaning out Chica

I always have a chuckle to myself when I see people writing Chica for Chicarito. In certain Latin American countries 'chica' is slang for a lady's front bum..my missus gets a giggle when she see's it mentioned on here.

Sorry, slow day in work.

MagicIRL · 05-01-2015 12:53PM

ElChe32 wrote: »

I always have a chuckle to myself when I see people writing Chica for Chicarito. In certain Latin American countries 'chica' is slang for a lady's front bum..my missus gets a giggle when she see's it mentioned on here.

Sorry, slow day in work.

Thinly veiled "I have a Brazilian girlfriend" post...

Bandana boy · 05-01-2015 12:53PM

ElChe32 wrote: »

I always have a chuckle to myself when I see people writing Chica for Chicarito. In certain Latin American countries 'chica' is slang for a lady's front bum..my missus gets a giggle when she see's it mentioned on here.

Sorry, slow day in work.

I certainly heard him being called a something something next Tuesday around Stamford bridge a time or two !

pmasterson95 · 05-01-2015 12:56PM

ElChe32 wrote: »

I always have a chuckle to myself when I see people writing Chica for Chicarito. In certain Latin American countries 'chica' is slang for a lady's front bum..my missus gets a giggle when she see's it mentioned on here.

Sorry, slow day in work.

I thought it meant "pea".....oh dear.

Lucas Hood · 05-01-2015 01:02PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I thought it meant "pea".....oh dear.

Chícharo is pea
Chicharito is little pea.

pmasterson95 · 05-01-2015 01:06PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Chícharo is pea
Chicharito is little pea.

Ahhhh I see

ElChe32 · 05-01-2015 01:13PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Thinly veiled "I have a Brazilian girlfriend" post...

Close...Puerto Rican!

Mitch Connor · 05-01-2015 01:13PM

TheDoc wrote: »

The only thing holding me back from making my call now is that he is a global name and has a well deserved reputation for being a ruthless striker with an insane goal record.

But he has essentially missed half a season, and now has 4-5 months ( only league and FA cup games) to somehow show he is worth the money and worth a spot in the squad.

Falcao is a player you expect 20+ goals a season from. The very fact you have to adjust that tally because he missed the first half of the season, is a big part of the problem.

Really think he needs to bag atleast 15 goals to warrant the club sheding out the big money for him.

Whats holding me back on calling him a flop is that United are farily useless as a creative force.

There have only been a couple of chances that I feel he should of scored from that he didn't. For the most part we aren't creating chances for anyone.

He is brilliant at getting tackled though, I have noticed that.

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