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emanresu esrever · 03-01-2015 02:19AM

RainBow_xo wrote: »

I have a theory about Lucy's killer. I think it may be Abby and Max is in on it (he could be helping her cover it up).

I really feel Abby has acted shady around Emma since day 1. She was also the one who sent Max the photos of him and Lucy.

She seemed like she could care less what happened to Emma when Max took her to the hospital.

And also on their way to the hospital, Emma said she knew Lauren was not the killer and when Max acted confused she said 'you know'.

Another thing I noted was that Emma had the killer's number on her phone. She must have known the killer personally and the way she spoke to the killer made it seem like they knew each other.

And like others have noted, Emma didn't go to the police straight away which suggests she may have been close to the killer.

hate to rain on your parade but all these theories have been posted multiple times!

you are right though, there is two or 3 of them in on it. it would make the story better.

i also think eastenders owes the fans an eastenders special devoted wholly to justifying the killer and giving accountability to all the evidence and all the links of said evidence to the eventually revealed killer over the last year or so. whilst you could say every character has had their "has to be him/her guilty scene(s)" therd has equally been just as many scenes for each of the suspects that would clear them of any involvement, eg Ians shock, peters shock and crying, ben and jays chats which were convincing to clear them of anything other than the mugging, Max's getting involved with chief inspector, Lee Carter's pointlessness as a character, Etc etc. A few flashback scenes (not on the show but for a documentary style a la cold case hour long special) would be a great idea for the producers to put on air after the reveal live show.

ill be disappointed if they just announce the killer, go into a vague reasoning and then cut to a Carter story for the rest of the year.

RainBow_xo · 03-01-2015 02:28AM

emanresu esrever wrote: »

hate to rain on your parade but all these theories have been posted multiple times!

you are right though, there is two or 3 of them in on it. it would make the story better.

i also think eastenders owes the fans an eastenders special devoted wholly to justifying the killer and giving accountability to all the evidence and all the links of said evidence to the eventually revealed killer over the last year or so. whilst you could say every character has had their "has to be him/her guilty scene(s)" therd has equally been just as many scenes for each of the suspects that would clear them of any involvement, eg Ians shock, peters shock and crying, ben and jays chats which were convincing to clear them of anything other than the mugging, Max's getting involved with chief inspector, Lee Carter's pointlessness as a character, Etc etc. A few flashback scenes (not on the show but for a documentary style a la cold case hour long special) would be a great idea for the producers to put on air after the reveal live show.

ill be disappointed if they just announce the killer, go into a vague reasoning and then cut to a Carter story for the rest of the year.

I literally just finished watching this week's episodes on RTE player and felt like a detective with all my theories - thanks for bursting my bubble

I hope they justify the killer's actions. They did a good job of showing the aftermath of her death so hopefully they do the same with the reveal

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 02:32AM

RainBow_xo wrote: »

And also on their way to the hospital, Emma said she knew Lauren was not the killer and when Max acted confused she said 'you know'.

Another thing I noted was that Emma had the killer's number on her phone. She must have known the killer personally and the way she spoke to the killer made it seem like they knew each other.

I thought she said to Max "it wasn't there" in the car? She never mentioned Lauren, did she? She was mumbling though so I may have misheard.

As for Emma having the number on her phone it doesn't narrow things down too much. She'd have all the Beale numbers from when she was their liason officer. She'd have all the Branning's too. She could easily have gotten Whitney's, Jay's and Ben's from Abi or Lauren's phones. She has interacted with most of them in some capacity up to that point too so her talking to them like she knows them doesn't narrow it down either.

Is Denise still a suspect? Can't remember if she was outside the cafe with the rest of the suspects or not. Although she was still with Ian when Lucy was murdered so she'd be on the family liason contact list too.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 02:38AM

I meant to ask this earlier but did they ever actually say how Lucy died? Was she stabbed? Strangled? Bashed over the head? I don't remember there being a murder weapon mentioned.

MelanieC · 03-01-2015 01:23PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I thought she said to Max "it wasn't there" in the car? She never mentioned Lauren, did she? She was mumbling though so I may have misheard.

As for Emma having the number on her phone it doesn't narrow things down too much. She'd have all the Beale numbers from when she was their liason officer. She'd have all the Branning's too. She could easily have gotten Whitney's, Jay's and Ben's from Abi or Lauren's phones. She has interacted with most of them in some capacity up to that point too so her talking to them like she knows them doesn't narrow it down either.

Is Denise still a suspect? Can't remember if she was outside the cafe with the rest of the suspects or not. Although she was still with Ian when Lucy was murdered so she'd be on the family liason contact list too.

Yeah,she said "it wasn't there" - I rewatched the scene with subtitles on just to be sure!

I can't remember either if they ever said how Lucy was killed. I have it in my head that she was hit over the head but I honestly don't know why I think that! And as you say,there would surely then have been a search for a murder weapon.

Have EE confirmed that the suspects have been narrowed down to the 14 from the other night & it's definitely one of them?? OR were they just narrowed down for the Emma storyline to keep us guessing even more? Like do we know for a fact that Emma was even right in whatever she thought? Is it still possible that it might be someone outside of the 14 & that while she did uncover a secret of one of them,she was wrong about them being the killer?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 01:30PM

She sent a text to the killer, I assume, outside the café and someone's phone beeped. I think they confirmed the suspect list would be narrowed down over New Year so that's what that scene was about.

The conversation she had with the tree in the park implied she had it right. She said "it's still murder" which suggests there's some sort of explanation for what happened but I think she had it figured out.

How does the music box work in relation to the narrowed suspect list? Or is it even relevant to the murder?

starlit · 03-01-2015 01:33PM

Its either someone from those line of suspects, or two people are involved. Max knows something and is covering up. Its still possible its someone outside the list of suspects. I'd be shocked if it were Ian, its one of the younger cast members I say.

casio4 · 03-01-2015 01:38PM

hoe did Pauline McLynn know that Ronnie had a boy Ian got the phone call and said to Dot your a great grand mother the mrs doyle said I have a grandson

Meauldsegosha · 03-01-2015 01:41PM

They knew from the scan it was going to be a boy.

IvySlayer · 03-01-2015 02:10PM

Lucy was killed by a head injury, now Emma dies of bleed on the brain but whether it happened during the car crash or after no-one knows :eek:

MelanieC · 03-01-2015 02:17PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

She sent a text to the killer, I assume, outside the café and someone's phone beeped. I think they confirmed the suspect list would be narrowed down over New Year so that's what that scene was about.

The conversation she had with the tree in the park implied she had it right. She said "it's still murder" which suggests there's some sort of explanation for what happened but I think she had it figured out.

How does the music box work in relation to the narrowed suspect list? Or is it even relevant to the murder?

But what I'm saying is could it still be someone outside of that group like for example what if Lola killed her & Jay is covering it up for her & it was Jay that Emma met with in the park to talk about it? Maybe he was pleading with her to think about Lexi & that's why she was torn? I don't know,I'm just trying to think outside the box here,maybe too much so! It's just that Billy,Lola & Masood were in the first scene when Emma made the call but not later when she sent the text which makes me wonder why they were included in the first place? It could make sense that Emma rang one of them & said "I know you killed Lucy" & then sent the text "I can't keep the secret" to a different person,the one who showed up in the park to plead the case? She never actually said "you" at any stage to the person in the park.

I am way too invested in this investigation!

fr336 · 03-01-2015 02:28PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The conversation she had with the tree in the park implied she had it right. She said "it's still murder" which suggests there's some sort of explanation for what happened but I think she had it figured out.

Ha, this is a contradiction in terms. Murder is a planned killing. But this is EE I suppose let's be unrealistic just for the sake of it :rolleyes:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 02:31PM

^ I think the first phone scene was just to get us all thinking it's one of these guys! Then when the scene later on happens we're thinking who was there that wasn't on the phone earlier?
The way it played out made it seem like the person she was talking to was the person she met and the person she was texting when she was hit. I could be wrong about that though.

The thing that stands out though is why she would even consider keeping it a secret? Who would she do that for? I think it rules out Whitney and maybe even Lee. She only knows them in relation to the investigation so I don't think she'd be struggling with that decision for them.

I'd still love to know what Emma thought she had figured out from looking at the houses the other night when Dean ran into the pub. Now she's dead they probably don't have to explain that at all so they might not actually have any explanation for it.

MelanieC · 03-01-2015 03:21PM

I don't know,I think it's more like EE to include those people at the start & then seemingly rule them out so we think "well ok,it's definitely not Billy/Lola/Masood" so that they can then reveal "ta-da,it is Billy/Lola/Masood" & we are all stunned......

I think she would consider keeping the secret for Peter. Or at least agree to meet with him because she knows him well. Maybe somewhere along the line he found out that Lola did it. Or more likely,Billy. Perhaps that's why he broke up with Lola. But he knows if Billy goes down,Lola will lose custody of Lexi again. And there's Janet now too. Also maybe he & Lauren actually started seeing each other while he was still with Lola & that's why Lauren was going in there that night?

I'm coming up with new theories every two mins here! That doesn't really explain what she said to Max tho. :-(

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 03:26PM

MelanieC wrote: »

I think she would consider keeping the secret for Peter. Or at least agree to meet with him because she knows him well. Maybe somewhere along the line he found out that Lola did it. Or more likely,Billy. Perhaps that's why he broke up with Lola. But he knows if Billy goes down,Lola will lose custody of Lexi again. And there's Janet now too. Also maybe he & Lauren actually started seeing each other while he was still with Lola & that's why Lauren was going in there that night?

I did think that myself actually. The first scene between Lauren and Peter after Lucy died they were quite awkward with each other but then again that was more likely down to the fact Lucy had just been murdered. Also the fact that Lauren didn't actually go into the house means even if they had been secretly hooking up they didn't that night.

That's the problem with these long drawn out stories. People have so much time to think about them and come to their own conclusions and more often than not what plays out on screen leaves the majority disappointed. Before the Lucy story I hadn't actually watched EE since the end of the Ronnie/Danielle story. I was so annoyed at how that ended

03-01-2015 04:06PM

Miss Doyle framing Phil is hilarious

fr336 · 03-01-2015 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Miss Doyle framing Phil is hilarious

Next she'll be dropping cocaine in his tea.

kristian12 · 03-01-2015 04:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Miss Doyle framing Phil is hilarious

I find her really irritating and if possible I ff anytime she appears. Her face last night when the police arrived was ridiculous.

no money honey · 03-01-2015 04:19PM

RainBow_xo wrote: »

I have a theory about Lucy's killer. I think it may be Abby and Max is in on it (he could be helping her cover it up).

I really feel Abby has acted shady around Emma since day 1. She was also the one who sent Max the photos of him and Lucy.

She seemed like she could care less what happened to Emma when Max took her to the hospital.

And also on their way to the hospital, Emma said she knew Lauren was not the killer and when Max acted confused she said 'you know'.

Another thing I noted was that Emma had the killer's number on her phone. She must have known the killer personally and the way she spoke to the killer made it seem like they knew each other.

And like others have noted, Emma didn't go to the police straight away which suggests she may have been close to the killer.

I've thought for a while that its been Abi and that Max helped cover it up, maybe with the body etc. They had a conversation before showing they both lied about their whereabouts on the night, basically saying they were together somewhere. Her character has changed alot and she has the biggest motive, that Lucy Beale was going to break up her family for the 100th time. Realistically this big list of possible killers is a absurd.

Les and Pam Croker - I cant recall them ever speaking to Lucy, even if they did they have no reason to kill her, it would be completely ridiculous even for soapload

Denise - Again why?? And she looks to have many other storylines coming up

Jane Beale - Shes the 2nd favourite and has been acting strange more as a red herring but theres zero motive and shes not Ronnie Mitchell

Ian Beale - yeah theres some motive there but I refuse to believe its him with everything that happened since. Would he really kill his daughter then have sex with a prostitute right after? This isnt Nick Cotton!

Jay/Ben - they're acting suspicious and clearly done more that night than they say, but I really dont think they will have Ben Mitchell murder someone again so soon after coming back. Doubt Jay would have either

Max Branning - Isnt a killer, he bottled murdering Carl White before remember, but hes more than capable of cleaning up a mess and protecting his daughter

Peter/Lauren - kind of like Ian, given all thats happened since I cant see it

Whitney/Lee - Possible, especially with Lees army trauma and anger and Whitney being bullied. Dont feel it myself

Cindy - just a kid, no reason to

Anyway I've stuck a few quid on Abi....:D

no money honey · 03-01-2015 04:22PM

kristian12 wrote: »

I find her really irritating and if possible I ff anytime she appears. Her face last night when the police arrived was ridiculous.

I think casting her in that role was a bad mistake. All a bit cringeworthy.

MelanieC · 03-01-2015 05:11PM

no money honey wrote: »

I've thought for a while that its been Abi and that Max helped cover it up, maybe with the body etc. They had a conversation before showing they both lied about their whereabouts on the night, basically saying they were together somewhere. Her character has changed alot and she has the biggest motive, that Lucy Beale was going to break up her family for the 100th time. Realistically this big list of possible killers is a absurd.

Les and Pam Croker - I cant recall them ever speaking to Lucy, even if they did they have no reason to kill her, it would be completely ridiculous even for soapload

Denise - Again why?? And she looks to have many other storylines coming up

Jane Beale - Shes the 2nd favourite and has been acting strange more as a red herring but theres zero motive and shes not Ronnie Mitchell

Ian Beale - yeah theres some motive there but I refuse to believe its him with everything that happened since. Would he really kill his daughter then have sex with a prostitute right after? This isnt Nick Cotton!

Jay/Ben - they're acting suspicious and clearly done more that night than they say, but I really dont think they will have Ben Mitchell murder someone again so soon after coming back. Doubt Jay would have either

Max Branning - Isnt a killer, he bottled murdering Carl White before remember, but hes more than capable of cleaning up a mess and protecting his daughter

Peter/Lauren - kind of like Ian, given all thats happened since I cant see it

Whitney/Lee - Possible, especially with Lees army trauma and anger and Whitney being bullied. Dont feel it myself

Cindy - just a kid, no reason to

Anyway I've stuck a few quid on Abi....:D

I really hope it isn't Abi. What with her weird behaviour over the last few months,the blackmail,the stalking Lauren,the comment to Emma that "things die" & now the implication that Max knows something,it all seems way too obvious & would be such an anti-climax.

Interestingly,looking at the betting odds, there's a few quite high up that weren't even suggested in thursday's episode. Sharon,Danny Pennant,Nick,Carl White(!) & Bobby Beale(!!!) are all more likely than confirmed suspects Whitney or Lee according to bookmakers! I wonder why?

no money honey · 03-01-2015 05:31PM

MelanieC wrote: »

I really hope it isn't Abi. What with her weird behaviour over the last few months,the blackmail,the stalking Lauren,the comment to Emma that "things die" & now the implication that Max knows something,it all seems way too obvious & would be such an anti-climax.

Interestingly,looking at the betting odds, there's a few quite high up that weren't even suggested in thursday's episode. Sharon,Danny Pennant,Nick,Carl White(!) & Bobby Beale(!!!) are all more likely than confirmed suspects Whitney or Lee according to bookmakers! I wonder why?

It is almost too obvious that its Abi. At the same time, I'd rather it kind of fit together and made sense rather than be surprising, so many of the names mentioned are just not plausible.

I kind of understand more now why the good villians never last long in Eastenders. If someone needs to be murdered its always easiest to kill the baddie, because they have so many enemies. Even though Lucy was a bitch, she wasnt really a villian and I dont think her character was developed all that well before her murder storyline. So its kind of harder to imagine most of these names doing it. Whereas if Nick Cotton was killed it could easily have been several dozen people and hes barely left his house since returning

fr336 · 03-01-2015 05:35PM

God if Abi did it the acting will be awful (closely followed by also poorly acted Lauren)

no money honey · 03-01-2015 05:43PM

fr336 wrote: »

God if Abi did it the acting will be awful (closely followed by also poorly acted Lauren)

One of my doubts about Abi is because the week of the reveal will be alot of Live episodes apparently and its been suggested such a prominent role would need a better actor/actress.

People were saying also the actress who plays Lauren is off the show pregnant during the reveal week. I think if its Abi/Max that could be the end of the Brannings on the square for the foreseeable future. I really like Max and the Brannings but I kind of feel after this the writers would struggle with them still on the square especially now another of Max's girlfriends have biten the dust!

fr336 · 03-01-2015 05:47PM

I think it definitely isn't Max.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 06:02PM

no money honey wrote: »

One of my doubts about Abi is because the week of the reveal will be alot of Live episodes apparently and its been suggested such a prominent role would need a better actor/actress.

People were saying also the actress who plays Lauren is off the show pregnant during the reveal week. I think if its Abi/Max that could be the end of the Brannings on the square for the foreseeable future. I really like Max and the Brannings but I kind of feel after this the writers would struggle with them still on the square especially now another of Max's girlfriends have biten the dust!

Thing about the reveal though is that all we know is that we find out who Lucy's killer is. Doesn't necessarily mean the killer needs to be on screen that week. They have said though that the way they've done it the story will continue immediately unlike when Stacy was revealed as killing Archie and then disappeared for a month. Again though the story can continue without the killer actually being there, can't it?

KKkitty · 03-01-2015 06:05PM

At this stage I can't see it being Abi. The reveal is during the live episode so the script writers will need someone with considerably more acting experience than Lorna Fitzgerald to make sure it goes well. Her massive character change is a red herring IMO.

phasers · 03-01-2015 06:32PM

It seems like every suspect has had a week where they were made out to be the killer, I don't know what to think anymore!

I've always thought that it was Abi with Max helping to cover it up, but I've suspected literally everyone at this stage! Maybe Amy Mitchell did it and Dot helped her move the body!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 03-01-2015 06:49PM

I just hope it makes sense. I'd prefer it to be one of the obvious suspects than have it be shocking and not really make any sense.

dubstarr · 03-01-2015 07:20PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Thing about the reveal though is that all we know is that we find out who Lucy's killer is. Doesn't necessarily mean the killer needs to be on screen that week. They have said though that the way they've done it the story will continue immediately unlike when Stacy was revealed as killing Archie and then disappeared for a month. Again though the story can continue without the killer actually being there, can't it?

Well if they dont need to be onscreen its Lauren or Peter.We know the 2 of them are going.But i still think its Abi.It just seems to fit somehow.

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