Paddy Barnes- MBE

magma69 · 01-01-2015 02:29AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It was his choice to accept it, doesn't make him any less Irish and it was a bit low someone on the thread to call him British when he clearly doesn't see himself as a Brit.

Same as it was a personal decision by James McClean not to wear a poppy, but the West Brits were very quick to jump all over him about it.

Spot on. The raving republicans and West Brits are two sides of the one coin. Guilty of all the things they accuse the other side of.

I think people with a few brain cells to rub together or aren't completely brainwashed couldn't give a monkeys what honours Paddy Barnes accepts and what McClean decides to not wear on his jersey. The sooner these idiots die out in this country the better.

feargale · 01-01-2015 03:20AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

He shouldn't have accepted it. For me he is no longer Irish. The British can have him, He's an average fighter at best, Not a hope of beating anyone relevent at flyweight, he'll never be a champion.

I suspect that you have never had the experience of seeing an Irish team return from the Olympics with feckall. Some of us have.
Paddy Barnes is one of only two Olympians who won two Olympic medals for Ireland. He owes us nothing. It's all very well for those who are well versed in the nuances of politics to decline honours, politely or otherwise. Maybe he just didn't want the hassle of that.
I'm no fan of royalty or an honours system, but I couldn't care less if he becomes a Knight of the Chamberpot of Ruritania if he wins another medal for Ireland at Rio. Other Irish people have accepted honours from royalty in Denmark, Belgium etc. and there hasn't been a bloody word about it.
Barnes has consistently proclaimed his Irishness. You have brought your own Irishness into question by your louche comments about him. If you are offering us a choice between him and you I hope it goes to a referendum.
A boxing medal is one of the toughest to win at the Olympics, and it ill behoves armchair boxers here to belittle his achievements, or make snide remarks about him sharing a fancy drink with Geldof.
The split in Irish soccer was as much the fault of the South as the North. No give on either side. There have occasionally been similar rumblings in other sports including boxing. If some of the myopics here had free rein there wouldn't be a Northerner wearing a green singlet in any sport.

mickopaddyson · 01-01-2015 04:25AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

I have no problem with anything English. But I do have a problem with an ungrateful little bastard from county Antrim who was quite happy to use the IABA resources, wear the green jersey and stand under the tri-colour.

Then turns around and accepts Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire.

Britain can have the ****ing traitor

A southerner calling someone a traitor? Maybe your so called heroes like Michael Collins shouldn't have sold out northern Catholics even though many of them fought and died for his republican cause.
Collins is a traitor and you fellas have statues of him up. we owe you fellas nothing down south, "ungrateful" God save us i've never heard worse

Colinf1212 · 01-01-2015 04:32AM

There's a massive difference between Catholics from the West of Northern Ireland (where most of them are) and those from the East. You hear very little from Catholics in Belfast whatsoever. It's like they don't exist yet they now make up the majority. The guilt complex has been ridden into them more than anyone else. Look for the proximity to Scotland and you'll know why.

Belfast is filled to the brim with trash irregardless of religion. Have had nothing but problems since moving here permanently, the place is filled with scum, although my job pays well.

Dublin Red Devil · 01-01-2015 05:25AM

Richard wrote: »

Why not be both?

It doesn't work like that. At least not for Someone with a shred of self respect or national identity.

Any self-respecting British man would never (for example) represent Germany, wear their colors, carry their flag. Its something decent people don't do. But when your a whore like Barnes, I guess common decency and selfrespectful go out the window.

Ferriter · 01-01-2015 05:49AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. At least not for Someone with a shred of self respect or national identity.

Any self-respecting British man would never (for example) represent Germany, wear their colors, carry their flag. Its something decent people don't do. But when your a whore like Barnes, I guess common decency and selfrespectful go out the window.

Dude, you'll have to change your username. You just come across as the type of knuckle-dragging, Wolfe-Tone listening barstool Republican who belongs to a different era. The man took his award. Get over it.

Colinf1212 · 01-01-2015 05:51AM

Ferriter wrote: »

Dude, you'll have to change your username. You just come across as the type of knuckle-dragging, Wolfe-Tone listening barstool Republican who belongs to a different era. The man took his award. Get over it.

Stopped reading at "Dude".

Ferriter · 01-01-2015 05:59AM

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Stopped reading at "Dude".

You'll need to find a place and time to get over the anger that resides deep within you. It isn't your war, Colin. Lose the preoccupation with the tags assigned to you. You won't get a second chance at this stuff.

Terrontress · 01-01-2015 07:59AM

It's funny that the prejudices against Paddy came out eventually. The Irish success stories at the last Olympics came from the three most despised sectors of Ireland. A protestant,a traveller and a northerner.

I'm sure that there are those who feel similar about Katie Taylor.

In 1960, Mohammed Ali threw his Olympic medal in to the Mississippi because, after winning it, he couldn't book a hotel room due to being black.

John Joe Nevin's family couldn't book a hotel function room for his welcome home in 2012 as he is a traveller.

There are a section of Irish sports fans who want only to see their idealised version of an Irishman representing them. Why not send out a team of leprechauns to Rio?

jank · 01-01-2015 11:41AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

I don't think they'd have had a choice in the matter in centuries passed just as they don't now in Saudi Arabia. It is true our species has progressed to a point in history where we can choose to disregard people, with no discernible talents or achievements, who inherit head-of-state status by bloodline.

Thankfully it's largely ceremonial and these people don't have the power they once wielded.

Are you forgetting Cromwell?

Richard · 01-01-2015 11:44AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. At least not for Someone with a shred of self respect or national identity.

Being Irish doesn't make some a nationalist or republican. People talk about the political spectrum in NI because there are a range of opinions. Paddy Barnes isn't a unionist, doesn't see himself as British and I'm sure isn't a royalist. He probably thought carefully about accepting this award. I suspect he saw this as building bridges with his fellow Ulstermen, many of whom are those things. Its a nuanced, balanced approach.

Any self-respecting British man would never (for example) represent Germany, wear their colors, carry their flag. Its something decent people don't do. But when your a whore like Barnes, I guess common decency and selfrespectful go out the window.

You're just being offensive now. There are plenty of people who have changed nationality for sporting purposes - it doesn't make them not decent or lacking in self respect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nationality_transfers_in_sport

Richard · 01-01-2015 11:46AM

jank wrote: »

Are you forgetting Cromwell?

He wasn't a monarch. He was a republican.

weldoninhio · 01-01-2015 08:12PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Little Irelander reminds me of this

Using a renowned photoshopped photo to make a point makes you look even more ridiculous.

weldoninhio · 01-01-2015 08:19PM

Omackeral wrote: »

They're the English representatives. Much like Celtic are the Scottish ones. You even see it when the draws are made. Celtic (SCO) Bayern Munich (GER). Each nation gets an allocation of representatives. This is just fact.

In the FA Cup final all teams line out for GSTQ. Why? Because it's the English Cup final.

The FA Cup is the Football Association of England's cup. That is an English cup. The English FA enforce the rules of football, but has nothing to do with the Premier League, which is a seperate entity. For example, the FA can't decide to implement a relegation/champs Lge playoff, or expand the league to 22 teams. So the FA cup is completely seperate to the Premier League.

feargale · 02-01-2015 01:00AM

Two Northern sportsmen have been excoriated here as not being Irish enough for some people's liking. What else do these two athletes have in common? Answer - Catholicism. Not a word of condemnation of any Northern Protestant! How revealing of these self-proclaimed disciples of Wolfe Tone, he who would have replaced the terms Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter with the common name of Irishman. Shades of the hypocritical "Republicans" in a Munster county who in the War of Independence burned down a house for no reason other than that it was the home of the local Church of Ireland rector.
If Rory McElroy had chosen to represent the UK at Rio I would have taken no more interest in his performance there than if he represented Belgium or Bulgaria. They are EU countries too, and jolly good if we Europeans do well. But I would respect McElroy's right to make that choice. It's what we signed up to when we endorsed the GFA.

Dublin Red Devil · 02-01-2015 09:35AM

Nowadays, potential recipients of MBEs are contacted by government officials, well before any public announcement is made, to confirm in writing whether they wish to be put forward for an honor, thereby avoiding unnecessary friction or controversy

Which means that Barnes accepted this without any public or media pressure. He actively confirmed in writing that he was a proud member of the British empire and wanted the award long ago

Had he refused it, Nobody would have known it was even offered

So to say it was just accepted last week or done for any other reason other that his own pride of being British is untrue

You are a British citizen Barnes. A member of the British Empire

You don't represent Ireland, so do the right thing an remove yourself for the Irish team. Take your tarnished medals to the BABA. although I doubt they will want anything to do with you either.

Richard · 02-01-2015 10:52AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Which means that Barnes accepted this without any public or media pressure. He actively confirmed in writing that he was a proud member of the British empire and wanted the award long ago.

He accepted an award with a funny name. You're putting words into his mouth.

You are a British citizen Barnes.

Yes he is, but he's also an Irish Citizen and he presumably travels on an Irish passport.

A member of the British Empire

What British Empire?

You don't represent Ireland, so do the right thing an remove yourself for the Irish team. Take your tarnished medals to the BABA. although I doubt they will want anything to do with you either.

I presume you mean the IABA. think they will.

Dublin Red Devil · 02-01-2015 11:28AM

Richard wrote: »

He accepted an award with a funny name. You're putting words into his mouth.

Yes he is, but he's also an Irish Citizen and he presumably travels on an Irish passport.

No he's not Irish. The man is a walking contradiction.

The only decent thing to do now is leave the Irish team, Wheather that means retiring from the sport, so be it

Richard · 02-01-2015 11:33AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Richard wrote: »

He accepted an award with a funny name. You're putting words into his mouth.

Yes he is, but he's also an Irish Citizen and he presumably travels on an Irish passport.

No he's not Irish. The man is a walking contradiction.

The only decent thing to do now is leave the Irish team, Wheather that means retiring from the sport, so be it

I think nearly everyone will disagree with you there.

drkpower · 02-01-2015 11:36AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

No, No team represents the country they are based in, in the Champions league. They represents themselves and their club.
United don't stand before the game an sing god save the queen to to Georges cross. Why? Because De Gea, Rafael, Rojo, Blind, Herrara, Mata, Valencia, Di Maria, Falcao and Van Persie are not English.

How can you say these men represent the country of England when they are just playing for a privetly owned professional sports organization that pays them their salary. They are representing themselves and the American billionaire who signs their paychecks,

1. Did you support Man Utd before it was owned by a US based professional sports organization?
2, If, tomorrow, Man Utd was bought by local Manchester syndicate, would you stop following them?
3. When Man Utd start a majority UK starting 11 (ie. 6 of Shaw, Jones, Evans, McNair, Smalling, Carrick, Fletcher, Young, Rooney, Wilson, ?others), do you not support them?
4. If a substitution causes the team to be majority UK, do you do an about turn and shout against them?

Fratton Fred · 02-01-2015 11:54AM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

No he's not Irish. The man is a walking contradiction.

The only decent thing to do now is leave the Irish team, Wheather that means retiring from the sport, so be it

You do realise that on this logic, Ireland would lose a number of international rugby players, cricketers, boxers, golfers......

It doesn't sound like you have thought this through.

weldoninhio · 02-01-2015 04:52PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You do realise that on this logic, Ireland would lose a number of international rugby players, cricketers, boxers, golfers......

It doesn't sound like you have thought this through.

Perish the thoughts of having an Irish team made up of native Irishmen.

Fratton Fred · 02-01-2015 05:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Perish the thoughts of having an Irish team made up of native Irishmen.

Is Rory Best a native Irishman?

It wasn't me! · 02-01-2015 05:10PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Perish the thoughts of having an Irish team made up of native Irishmen.

Some spirit of welcome and inclusion there. Absolutely nothing that might engender feelings of worry or separation among northern Irish who wonder what they might face down the line when the debate about unification arises again. No sir...

Cienciano · 02-01-2015 06:01PM

Enoch Slimy Banknote wrote: »

Disgusting little bastard IMO.. Unforgivable in my books.

Enjoy your Pimms with 'Sir' Bob Geldof ya little tosser.

That's a late contender for post of 2014!

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

I don't see Manchester United as representative of Britain. They are a professional sports franchise, a multinational organisation who happen to based in Manchester. Their geographical location has nothing to do with my support for them.

You're right, Man-u don't represent Britain. They represent England when playing in europe.

Crooked Jack · 02-01-2015 07:06PM

No issue whatsoever with Barnes accepting this. I personally would have told them to stick it up their hole but the man is entitled to accept whatever he wants. My biggest problem with the whole thing is that it has become an issue at all. If you want to congratulate him then off you go. If you think the whole MBE thing is a load of sh!te then your reaction should be the same regardless of who is being offered it - meh.

SharpshooterTom · 02-01-2015 07:15PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Is Rory Best a native Irishman?

Why isn't he a native Irishman? What is a native Irishman exactly?

I don't mean to jump on your post here so harshly, so apologies if I have interpreted you wrong here, its just I wouldn't define a native Irishman so narrowly that you have to have ancestors going back at least a 1000 years or something. Its like the argument in England whats a native Englishman, given England now has many people with ancestry from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the normas, anglo Saxons, jutes, not to mention all the recent eastern European immigration are there really many true native Irish/Englishman about these days?

Fratton Fred · 02-01-2015 07:23PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Why isn't he a native Irishman? What is a native Irishman exactly?

I don't mean to jump on your post here so harshly, so apologies if I have interpreted you wrong here, its just I wouldn't define a native Irishman so narrowly that you have to have ancestors going back at least a 1000 years or something. Its like the argument in England whats a native Englishman, given England now has many people with ancestry from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the normas, anglo Saxons, jutes, not to mention all the recent eastern European immigration are there really many true native Irish/Englishman about these days?

I would say he is, as is William Porterfield. They are both from Northern Ireland (no idea of their backgrounds) but also represent Ireland at international level.

Dublin Red Devil · 02-01-2015 07:29PM

drkpower wrote: »

1. Did you support Man Utd before it was owned by a US based professional sports organization?
2, If, tomorrow, Man Utd was bought by local Manchester syndicate, would you stop following them?
3. When Man Utd start a majority UK starting 11 (ie. 6 of Shaw, Jones, Evans, McNair, Smalling, Carrick, Fletcher, Young, Rooney, Wilson, ?others), do you not support them?
4. If a substitution causes the team to be majority UK, do you do an about turn and shout against them?

Why expand the Manchester United's net to the whole UK. Why not just Manchester? Just one player in the entire squad.
If you want to make an argument that professional sports represent their locality. Why not have a squad of local Manchester lads? Guess why they don't? Because professional sports is a business who's goal is to make profits. If Manchester United bought out by a Japanese billionaire tomorrow and relocated to Tokyo It wouldn't change my support. I couldn't give two sh1ts about the teams location
My support for the franchise has nothing to do with its location or nationality of players.

Sufa · 02-01-2015 07:36PM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Why expand the Manchester United's net to the whole UK. Why not just Manchester? Just one player in the entire squad.
If you want to make an argument that professional sports represent their locality. Why not have a squad of local Manchester lads? Guess why they don't? Because professional sports is a business who's goal is to make profits. If Manchester United bought out by a Japanese billionaire tomorrow and relocated to Tokyo It wouldn't change my support. I couldn't give two sh1ts about the teams location
My support for the franchise has nothing to do with its location or nationality of players.

Why do you keep calling Manchester United a franchise? That is patently not what they are. For someone who is apparently a supporter of the club you come across as incredibly ignorant/ purposely disrespectful.

Paddy Barnes- MBE

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