Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

using your PhD title

1235789

Comments

  • #122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I can assure you that they haven't much to be laughing about. MBA graduates of Warwick university are some of the most highly remunerated individuals around. AvB is no exception.

    I have a PhD in physics, mba? Pfffft it's like having a junior cert :pac:

    On topic, I normally use my title in professional circles but I also use in where it might gain me an advantage (banks etc).

    And also just to clarify a medical "doctor" is not a real Dr. unless they complete the degree of Doctor of philosophy. A college course in medicine should not give the doctor title.


  • #123
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    In their everyday life? Yeah. It'd also come across as pompous to me.

    It's just an accepted cultural thing to think medical for doctor, we're all conditioned to be used to it. As someone said above, it denotes the job, not the qualification. A doctorate is an qualification. If someone calls themselves a doctor, people will think medical.

    Put it this way a PhD of science often takes ten years as opposed to a doctorate of medicine and they have to publish to get it. When I call myself doctor I worked a lot harder than a clinician to get it. If I cared what the lay man thought I wouldn't be doing science.


  • #124
    DeepSleeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭DeepSleeper


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    A doctorate is an qualification. If someone calls themselves a doctor, people will think medical.

    A PhD is a degree, but it is an unusual one since it results an automatic change of title... There is no 'opt out' clause in the graduation ceremony whereby you can choose to remain Mr!

    The choice comes later when you decide on when to use (or not use) your title. To me, the search for pomposity should focus on holders of honorary doctorates who use the title Dr in everyday life... That's not on in my opinion, but thankfully it is rare.

    I only use my title when it is necessary (in my opinion) to do so and I would never allow anyone to believe I was a medical doctor... That's just dangerous!


  • #125
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    When I call myself doctor I worked a lot harder than a clinician to get it.

    That's debatable. Doctors work incredibly hard to get qualifed. The subject matter of the degree isn't harder than others, it's just the sheer volume of it. It's very hard going. Friends of mine who did science degrees then grad med attest to this. Then, once you get your degree, you have a stint as a junior doctor for a few years. Low enough pay for maybe 60+ hours a week and very little sleep. We know that they are clinicians not doctors, but I certainly wouldn't be questioning work ethic.


  • #126
    DeepSleeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭DeepSleeper


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    That's debatable. Doctors work incredibly hard to get qualifed. The subject matter of the degree isn't harder than others, it's just the sheer volume of it. It's very hard going. Friends of mine who did science degrees then grad med attest to this. Then, once you get your degree, you have a stint as a junior doctor for a few years. Low enough pay for maybe 60+ hours a week and very little sleep. We know that they are clinicians not doctors, but I certainly wouldn't be questioning work ethic.

    I agree... One shouldn't need to denigrate another's qualifications in order to feel better about oneself! So a holder of a PhD is a Doctor by title and a holder of a medical degree is called Doctor by tradition... One does not lessen the other and both have worked dam hard to get qualifed.


  • Advertisement
  • #127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    That's debatable. Doctors work incredibly hard to get qualifed. The subject matter of the degree isn't harder than others, it's just the sheer volume of it. It's very hard going. Friends of mine who did science degrees then grad med attest to this. Then, once you get your degree, you have a stint as a junior doctor for a few years. Low enough pay for maybe 60+ hours a week and very little sleep. We know that they are clinicians not doctors, but I certainly wouldn't be questioning work ethic.

    The simple fact of the matter is a medical "doctor" is not a doctor. No PhD, no Dr. Of course this is ignored by the entire medical world but sure what can you do.


  • #128
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Finnegan Easy Rash wrote: »
    I have a PhD in physics, mba? Pfffft it's like having a junior cert :pac:

    The Warwick MBA, which is what Aongus has, is a bit special though.

    The testimonials on their website are a hoot - it's like a parody of "The Apprentice".
    The Warwick MBA taught me how to keep pushing my boundaries while remaining focussed.

    With the support and motivation that I received from WBS and my classmates, I was able to make my time at Warwick a potpourri of intense study sessions, serious sports, parties till sunrise and meaningful relationships.


  • #129
    DeepSleeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭DeepSleeper


    Finnegan Easy Rash wrote: »
    The simple fact of the matter is a medical "doctor" is not a doctor. No PhD, no Dr. Of course this is ignored by the entire medical world but sure what can you do.

    This would be true if each word had only one possible meaning, but language doesn't work like that... The word 'doctor' can refer to a title or to a job... Same word, different meaning


  • #130
    WhatNowForUs?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    DeepSleeper wrote: »
    A PhD is a degree, but it is an unusual one since it results an automatic change of title... There is no 'opt out' clause in the graduation ceremony whereby you can choose to remain Mr!

    The choice comes later when you decide on when to use (or not use) your title. To me, the search for pomposity should focus on holders of honorary doctorates who use the title Dr in everyday life... That's not on in my opinion, but thankfully it is rare.

    I only use my title when it is necessary (in my opinion) to do so and I would never allow anyone to believe I was a medical doctor... That's just dangerous!

    Do we know of anyone who uses their Honorary Doctorate as a title?


  • #131
    DeepSleeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭DeepSleeper


    WhatNowForUs? wrote: »
    Do we know of anyone who uses their Honorary Doctorate as a title?

    Michael Smurfit


  • Advertisement
  • #132
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Mr_Muffin wrote: »
    College is not hard. No matter the course once you put the time and effort in you are guaranteed to pass.

    People only use titles to try feel like they are superior to others.

    What are your qualifications? I always called my GP 'doctor' then in University it got confusing when addressing lecturers. They are all doctors really because they put the time into being so therefore should be spoken to as such. Not doing so is a bit ignorant and is usually done by people who have never even done a FAS course just to make the dole seem better.


  • #133
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    The Warwick MBA, which is what Aongus has, is a bit special though.

    The testimonials on their website are a hoot - it's like a parody of "The Apprentice".

    Spelled 'focused' wrong, good advocacy there.


  • #134
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    LFC Murphy wrote: »
    A friend of mine always say that people with Degrees know a little about alot, people with Masters know alot about a little and those with PhD's know everything about nothing

    That said I know a lot of people with just Junior Certs that would buy and sell me...

    This is probably the American version of above

    BS: Bull****
    MS: More ****
    PhD: Piled Higher and Deeper


  • #135
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    eternal wrote: »
    Spelled 'focused' wrong, good advocacy there.

    Either spelling is correct.


  • #136
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Either spelling is correct.

    True, although he goes on to say:
    The Warwick MBA also allowed me to pursue an internship in one of largest steel companies in the world


  • #137
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Either spelling is correct.

    Didn't know that, sorry. I am a simple NDAD, BA 1H myself. The wonders of American spelling has alluded me.


  • #138
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    MD vs PhD


  • #139
    VEN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭VEN


    it should be noted, the Irish are a humble bunch, we don't really like to brag about titles. I think the Americans like to use it a lot, oh and the Germans for all sorts of little things.

    A Dr could be a really s*** Dr. Its just a title, besides Ph's are very common now, even masters are not enough for jobs, not even to teach. How far can we go? We can go all the way, but if the jobs aren't there, we might as well go to the moon.

    Yes, i would also agree, theres smarter people out there without any of that stuff.


  • #140
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Finnegan Easy Rash wrote: »
    He has a great MBA and a "morning grooming routine" what a woman... I mean what a so called man.....peasant.
    How can you study if you're up till sunrise raking back booze? Smell of the bull from this dude's story.


  • #141
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    VEN wrote: »
    it should be noted, the Irish are a humble bunch, we don't really like to brag about titles. I think the Americans like to use it a lot, oh and the Germans for all sorts of little things.

    A Dr could be a really s*** Dr. Its just a title, besides Ph's are very common now, even masters are not enough for jobs, not even to teach. How far can we go? We can go all the way, but if the jobs aren't there, we might as well go to the moon.

    Yes, i would also agree, theres smarter people out there without any of that stuff.
    They aren't that common, it's just that academia is more common and accessible than it was ten years ago. Out of all my gang going to school, I would say none of them went further education wise then I probably picked the wrong friends.


  • Advertisement
  • #142
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    I got my PhD about 25 years ago and work in an American university. I'd previously worked at any Irish university. Some observations and one thing that p*sses me off.

    On exam papers and the like, in Ireland all of our qualifications practically from "coming 2nd in under-10 swimming" right up to PhD were listed at the top. In US universities, the only title that is listed is the PhD, everything else is regarded as not worth mentioning (except in the rare case where someone has both a PhD and a MD, then they would both be noted).

    I use it only professionally, except when I need to get an appointment with a medical specialist. The way it works here is that your GP gives you a recommendation and then call up for an appointment. There's often a long waiting list, and it's almost always worked for when I say something like "This is Dr. Asarlai here, I've been recommended by Dr. Smith". It's only later they find out that I'm not an MD.

    What p*sses me off: Professors who call themselves by Dr. and their first name (e.g. Dr. Joe). I always think that they are trying to be trendy to students, but still let everyone know that they have a PhD.


  • #143
    Rosy Posy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Rosy Posy


    My mam took early retirement and did a phD. She uses the Dr title at every possible opportunity- even had new address labels printed! Given that it was literally just for 'fun' there's no other application for it for her.

    My oh and his parents are all MD's and only use the Dr (or Prof, in his parents' case) title professionally. In fact they're careful not to use it when getting quotes from tradespeople as they're paranoid that it will inflate the price. If I ever complete my phD I'd probably be the same, although it would be nice to see Dr and Dr (our last name) on stuff rather than Dr and Mrs.


  • #144
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    What's your Phd in Mister or Doctor? (Asarlai)


  • #145
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    eternal wrote: »
    What's your Phd in Mister or Doctor? (Asarlai)

    That's Professor Asarlai to you, mate!

    Philosophy


  • #146
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Asarlai wrote: »
    That's Professor Asarlai to you, mate!

    Philosophy

    Nice. I did English and History of Art BA and am doing an MA soon. Congrads on your professorship! What a fantastic achievement. I plan on an English PhD eventually if all works out. Don't know how it will pan out.


  • #147
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    It's just occurred to me that in universities - where the basic requirement for a permanent position is the PhD and everyone around you has one as well, it then becomes how many papers you have published, how many books you have written, etc.

    It never actually stops, except that one might get a bit mellow, sensing the silliness of a lot of it.


  • #148
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Asarlai wrote: »
    It's just occurred to me that in universities - where the basic requirement for a permanent position is the PhD and everyone around you has one as well, it then becomes how many papers you have published, how many books you have written, etc.

    It never actually stops, except that one might get a bit mellow, sensing the silliness of a lot of it.

    I'm widely published already. I can see how the higher up you get the more things matter as such, that is to be expected though.


  • #149
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    eternal wrote: »
    Nice. I did English and History of Art BA and am doing an MA soon. Congrads on your professorship! What a fantastic achievement. I plan on an English PhD eventually if all works out. Don't know how it will pan out.

    :)
    Actually, I was just having fun with the "Professor Asarlai". Here in the US, professor is the generic term given to everyone, like lecturer in Ireland.

    Good luck with pursuing your MA and maybe PhD. I know it can seem easy for me to say, but I'm a great fan of going for it.


  • #150
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Naughty. I am all for it too, I studied Fine Art previously and really enjoyed the BA so can't see any reason why I shouldn't do well considering I got a 1H in English. I will just have to see how the MA works out.


  • Advertisement
  • #151
    Asarlai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Asarlai


    eternal wrote: »
    I'm widely published already. I can see how the higher up you get the more things matter as such, that is to be expected though.

    You mean academic publishing or some other form of publishing?

    That's another thing that is part of the 'silliness' at least in my experience. For example, if an English professor is going up for tenure, much credit will be given for critical theory, critiquing the work of others, etc., but if she writes a well-received novel or poetry, it doesn't seem to stand for as much. At least that's what my colleagues in English tell me.


Advertisement