Paris is Burning (1991) documentary.

One eyed Jack · 28-12-2014 12:36AM

hfallada wrote: »

Its an amazing documentary. Its spans several years of filming and shows you old NYC. NYC when it was run down and gritty. The ballrooms were formed when African Americans werent really allowed to enter white gay beauty pageants. Which is funny considering one oppressed minority would discriminate against another oppressed minority. Its a funny film to watch.

Its so sad considering all the people in it, pretty died of AIDs related diseases. But the best was when Dorian in it died. They were clearing her apartment and in one box found a body. She murdered her husband, put him into a box and stored him in her apartment for decades.

There's an interesting history behind that though, which has led to black men describing homosexuality as "the white man's perversion" as they don't identify themselves as gay, but moreso simply "on the down-low" while still identifying as heterosexual.

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 12:36AM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

That's homophobia not racism.

Well that depends on the race of the person that the homophobic slur is aimed at. If it's an Irish person homophobia, but from what I have witnessed most homphobic slurs are aimed at the ethnic gay minority.

Hande hoche! · 28-12-2014 12:41AM

PhilBill wrote: »

Well that depends on the race of the person that the homophobic slur is aimed at. If it's an Irish person homophobia, but from what I have witnessed most homphobic slurs are aimed at the ethnic gay minority.

Ah my mistake. I thought you were referring to a word that starts with F and rhymes with maggot. Sorry about that.

Also, it is unpleasant. You see eejits shouting abuse at lads coming out of the George or the Dragon.

hotmail.com · 28-12-2014 12:42AM

PhilBill wrote: »

Well that depends on the race of the person that the homophobic slur is aimed at. If it's an Irish person homophobia, but from what I have witnessed most homphobic slurs are aimed at the ethnic gay minority.

Do you mean that ethnic minorities who are gay are more likely to receive homophobic abuse because of their race over Irish gay people?

hotmail.com · 28-12-2014 12:44AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Some amount of **** in this thread.

OP asks if other individuals have seen it or what their thoughts are on it and everyone piles on to someone who says they haven't seen it and have no interest in seeing it.

Another win for individualism :rolleyes:

I think the manner of the post is what annoyed people - clearly some issues there.

I presume the poster doesn't post in every thread saying he/she isn't interested in it.

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 12:45AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Do you mean that ethnic minorities who are gay are more likely to receive homophobic abuse because of their race over gay people?

Not in any way, I'm only saying that from what I have witnessed on George St ethnic minorities seem to receive more abuse than a gay Irish person. Maybe from other peoples perspectives it could be the opposite. I can only give my perspective.

hotmail.com · 28-12-2014 12:47AM

PhilBill wrote: »

Not in any way, I'm only saying that from what I have witnessed on George St ethnic minorities seem to receive more abuse than a gay Irish person. Maybe from other peoples perspectives it could be the opposite. I can only give my perspective.

Yes I have to say, there is very little evidence of homophobic abuse on George's Street these days thankfully.

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 12:52AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Yes I have to say, there is very little evidence of homophobic abuse on George's Street these days thankfully.

And to be honest most homophobic slurs I have heard on that street seem to be aimed in a friendly manner (As in gay people calling each other princess or the fagggg word). But there are still some drunken idiots that find them selves wandering up Georges St that can't help themselves but to make a homophobic/racist slur in order to impress their small minded friends.

conorh91 · 28-12-2014 01:09AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

It annoys me more than it should when people use an apostrophe after numbers.

Then you must be at 6's and 7's with grammatical rules, because apostrophes are often allowed.

creolebelle · 28-12-2014 01:16AM

I love this documentary. It makes wish I was back in that New York City. The city was filled with all kinds of artists and creative types. Gay and black gay culture was booming. Now nyc is sanitized, overpriced and boring

RDM_83 again · 28-12-2014 01:25AM

creolebelle wrote: »

I love this documentary. It makes wish I was back in that New York City. The city was filled with all kinds of artists and creative types. Gay and black gay culture was booming. Now nyc is sanitized, overpriced and boring

Wasn't also murders, rampant prostitution and general grimness (never visited but apparently it wasn't so nice).
Also as a general point isn't it the best sign of progress that this has happened because it shows that homosexuality is acceptable and unremarkable, my male gay friends aren't defined by their sexuality no more than I am by my hetero-sexuality, they are simply people who are attracted to other men that doesn't mean they have to deliberately differentiate themselves or structure their identity around it (but also not hiding it)

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 01:38AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Wasn't also murders, rampant prostitution and general grimness (never visited but apparently it wasn't so nice).
Also as a general point isn't it the best sign of progress that this has happened because it shows that homosexuality is acceptable and unremarkable, my male gay friends aren't defined by their sexuality no more than I am by my hetero-sexuality, they are simply people who are attracted to other men that doesn't mean they have to deliberately differentiate themselves or structure their identity around it (but also not hiding it)

From what I have taken from this documentary is that the prejudices that were aimed at gay and transgender males of the era in the 1980s(African or otherwise) have become less prevalent in modern day society (all around the world) The fact that people are gay or heterosexual has become common place in the dominant culture of most first world societies and no one literally gives a Fcuk anymore.

One eyed Jack · 28-12-2014 01:50AM

PhilBill wrote: »

From what I have taken from this documentary is that the prejudices that were aimed at gay and transgender males of the era in the 1980s(African or otherwise) have become less prevalent in modern day society (all around the world) The fact that people are gay or heterosexual has become common place in the dominant culture of most first world societies and no one literally gives a Fcuk anymore.

Erm, yes they do, and very much so - black culture, even in First World USA still very much discriminates against homosexuality, it's ingrained in their culture.

EDIT: A recent example -

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/02/27/new-york-church-erects-sign-warning-black-women-obama-allowed-white-homos-steal-men/

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 01:54AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Erm, yes they do, and very much so - black culture, even in First World USA still very much discriminates against homosexuality, it's ingrained in their culture.

So then why isn't Ireland extremely against homosexuality anymore? Just asking because of Catholicism and the church and so.

One eyed Jack · 28-12-2014 02:20AM

PhilBill wrote: »

So then why isn't Ireland extremely against homosexuality anymore? Just asking because of Catholicism and the church and so.

There still are many people who are homophobic, and I'm talking young people, not what many would assume are elderly religious people. I don't think young people's hatred of LGBT people in Ireland is motivated by religion either, it's simply because of their own prejudices in seeing LGBT people as different from themselves.

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 02:28AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

There still are many people who are homophobic, and I'm talking young people, not what many would assume are elderly religious people. I don't think young people's hatred of LGBT people in Ireland is motivated by religion either, it's simply because of their own prejudices in seeing LGBT people as different from themselves.

Completely changing the topic (which I don't really want to do). But does anyone one speculate here that the many children that are educated in the Catholic schools that the Irish society promotes is the reason for the homophobic or racist views that young Irish adolescents hold against the gay or ethnic minority subcultures? Random question I know.

One eyed Jack · 28-12-2014 02:40AM

PhilBill wrote: »

Completely changing the topic (which I don't really want to do). But does anyone one speculate here that the many children that are educated in the Catholic schools that the Irish society promotes is the reason for the homophobic or racist views that young Irish adolescents hold against the gay or ethnic minority subcultures? Random question I know.

I don't think so anyway, I think it has more to do with the kind of environment children are brought up in outside the school in fact. Most Irish schools now have anti-bullying policies which include anti-discrimination policies with respect to other children regardless of their gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality or membership of the travelling community.

I think their exposure to the internet too certainly contributes to young people's attitudes towards other people, and while we're come a long way since homosexuality was decriminalised in 1993, I think we have a long way to go in terms of understanding multiculturalism and it's effects on society and integrating people from other countries and cultures into Irish society.

PhilBill · 28-12-2014 03:06AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don't think so anyway, I think it has more to do with the kind of environment children are brought up in outside the school in fact. Most Irish schools now have anti-bullying policies which include anti-discrimination policies with respect to other children regardless of their gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality or membership of the travelling community.

I think their exposure to the internet too certainly contributes to young people's attitudes towards other people, and while we're come a long way since homosexuality was decriminalised in 1993, I think we have a long way to go in terms of understanding multiculturalism and it's effects on society and integrating people from other countries and cultures into Irish society.

Okay as a person who has grown up in an environment where everything was against me (in a way that no family member ever went to college, most were racist around me all through my life, father was not apart of my life, thrown into sh*t primary schools and technical colleges because they were the cheapest, friends who sold recreational stuff..) not saying any of this has changed my mindset on life (I created my own mindset) but what I feel what you're saying is anyone brought up in a disadvantaged setting becomes homophobic/racist.

I've been subjected to racist family members (many are Taxi men) but that has not made me any way racist. Maybe it has even made more interested in the prejudices that these people are constantly subjected too.

I wouldn't say the environments children are brought up in explains there racist/homophobic views. I would put it on their intelligence levels which gives them an understanding of life. Any person anywhere who believes that what someone says verbally (family or stranger or on the internet) without questioning the authenticity of what they said to them is in my mind not intelligent.

Okay I am pro Multiculturalism. My future children will be going to multicultural schools. I also think that Religion should be removed from primary education and that catholicism should not be imposed on the young children of the Irish society.

But that is just my own personnel opinion.

The Bould Rabbit · 28-12-2014 11:21AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I think the manner of the post is what annoyed people - clearly some issues there.

I presume the poster doesn't post in every thread saying he/she isn't interested in it.

I'm actually quite interested in this thread now.

The manner of my post was a light hearted bit of crack while chilling out on Christmas week. That's the issue on After Hours. Try it sometime. Of course I don't comment on every thread. But then, most threads don't open with the same presumptuous undertones like this one did.

The message conveyed there being - Someone saw a documentary. they liked it, everyone else has to like it too. And then the inevitable follow up - Lets round on anyone who says they're not interested and find an angle to attack them.

Its like a Christmas selection box with bars called Gays, Blacks, Victimisation......

Which one would you like me to pick next to further 'offend' your self constructed pre determined angst.

I may not have much interest in the documentary. But I do have some interest in this thread. At least the OP is getting the turnout he/she was hoping for.

hotmail.com · 28-12-2014 02:44PM

Yeah man definitely issues there with the gays.. happy New year.

Tarzana2 · 28-12-2014 02:51PM

It's on Netflix. \o/

So excited to watch this now!

ireland.man · 28-12-2014 04:06PM

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

I'm actually quite interested in this thread now.

The manner of my post was a light hearted bit of crack while chilling out on Christmas week. That's the issue on After Hours. Try it sometime. Of course I don't comment on every thread. But then, most threads don't open with the same presumptuous undertones like this one did.

The message conveyed there being - Someone saw a documentary. they liked it, everyone else has to like it too. And then the inevitable follow up - Lets round on anyone who says they're not interested and find an angle to attack them.

Its like a Christmas selection box with bars called Gays, Blacks, Victimisation......

Which one would you like me to pick next to further 'offend' your self constructed pre determined angst.

I may not have much interest in the documentary. But I do have some interest in this thread. At least the OP is getting the turnout he/she was hoping for.

This isn't about the masses trying to kill your individuality, or people attacking you for not liking what they like. This is about you wanting to leave a loaded, dismissive, sneering post and not be responded to in kind. Your post was dismissive of the subject of the movie, not the movie itself. Imagine the response if you tried that in a thread about Schindler's List or say Bloody Sunday!

Anyway, unless you have an actual argument about the movie topic itself, it's probably best to let the thread continue on about the movie rather than disrupt everything with our bickering!

darkdubh · 29-12-2014 02:33AM

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

I think I'll pass.

Couldn't really give a toss about what some gay black blokes got up to in New York or Paris or wherever 30 years ago.

I'd be more of a Father Ted fan myself but each to their own.

Its not set in Paris.

Paris is Burning (1991) documentary.

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