Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

SlickRic · 24-12-2014 03:33PM

We should only have replaced Mig in the starting 11 once we got a competent number 2.

Rodgers is deluded if he thinks Jones is up to it.

Blatter · 24-12-2014 03:35PM

Kirby wrote: »

Okay, he hasn't played much because of injury recently but that doesn't really have the same effect on a keeper as it does an outfielder. 2 or 3 weeks of intensive training and he would be back to his best.

I think if that was true he'd have been snapped up as a free agent months ago. There's obviously major doubts about him.

T-K-O · 24-12-2014 03:35PM

Kirby wrote: »

Then why not go get Valdez? You wont find many better with their feet than him.

And he's cheaper than Cech. Okay, he hasn't played much because of injury recently but that doesn't really have the same effect on a keeper as it does an outfielder. 2 or 3 weeks of intensive training and he would be back to his best.

Vertigo comes to mind when I think of Valdes and corners.

Blatter · 24-12-2014 03:40PM

SlickRic wrote: »

We should only have replaced Mig in the starting 11 once we got a competent number 2.

Rodgers is deluded if he thinks Jones is up to it.

I think he knows he's not up to it.

Rodger's is either

A) Taking Mignolet out of the firing line for a few weeks in the hope he improves significantly. Although Jones is a worse option, short term pain for long term gain could be the thinking.

He's sending a message to the owners/transfer committee or whoever ''get me a new goalkeeper in January, no excuses''

I would say B is more likely but both are poor people reasons because Jones is lol bad.

T-K-O · 24-12-2014 03:41PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Not much if any better to be honest.

With the right coaching he and most of the defenders can improve a lot more even simiple things like who is calling the defenive plays and then they all follow.

We all have to get used to the fact that this manager doesn't believe in defending as a way of winning so blaming the goalkeepers and defenders for all the mistakes they make is wrong.

Individual mistakes are going to happen in every game as the players and keepers aren't drilled enough in what to do therefore they will make mistakes.

The more the same back 4/5 play together and are drilled together the less individual mistakes will happen.

These changes would show improvement alround.

But he improved all the same

I agree with the rest of your post, my take on Mignolet, his confidence is shot (like much of the squad) our style and particularly our back 4 do him no favours what so ever. He's constantly put under pressure dealing with stupid balls played back or defending V the opposition.

We could be doing more to relieve some of that pressure.

Turtyturd · 24-12-2014 03:42PM

SlickRic wrote: »

We should only have replaced Mig in the starting 11 once we got a competent number 2.

Rodgers is deluded if he thinks Jones is up to it.

Does anyone think he actually believes Jones is up to it?

Something happened between them and he's too stubborn to back down.

SM01 · 24-12-2014 03:54PM

My view would be that the idea Mignolet has reached a ceiling and can't improve a number of aspects of his game goes completely against sports science, neuroscience and sports psychology. Saying that, I don't think there's a focused and measurable attempt to do so, and to do it in conjunction with training with the the back 3/4/5 as a unit. My gut feeling is a 'train harder' rather than a 'train cleverer' approach is in place which doesn't always work.

That said, I would still be much happier with Cech in goals.

Mr Alan · 24-12-2014 03:57PM

I think it's pretty clear that Mignolet is now done at Liverpool. People pretending otherwise is cute.

T-K-O · 24-12-2014 04:00PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear that Mignolet is now done at this stage. People pretending otherwise is cute.

That's a nice little debate you're having in your head.

I'm talking about a 26 year old GK improving.

T-K-O · 24-12-2014 04:01PM

SM01 wrote: »

My view would be that the idea Mignolet has reached a ceiling and can't improve a number of aspects of his game goes completely against sports science, neuroscience and sports psychology. Saying that, I don't think there's a focused and measurable attempt to do so, and to do it in conjunction with training with the the back 3/4/5 as a unit. My gut feeling is a 'train harder' rather than a 'train cleverer' approach is in place which doesn't always work.

That said, I would still be much happier with Cech in goals.

Sense.

Morzadec · 24-12-2014 04:02PM

Rumours of resigning Torres. Would be an awful decision imo.

As unimpressive as our strikeforce is, I don't think he's an upgrade on any of our current options

klose · 24-12-2014 04:07PM

Was it just me or was Mignolet very good last season till that blunder v city where negredo took a shot straight at him and be just palmed it and it looped over him and in?

5live · 24-12-2014 04:07PM

Morzadec wrote: »

Rumours of resigning Torres. Would be an awful decision imo.

As unimpressive as our strikeforce is, I don't think he's an upgrade on any of our current options

The Indo article has him available at £10million:D.

Yup, that's gonna happen....

Mr Alan · 24-12-2014 04:07PM

T-K-O wrote: »

That's a nice little debate you're having in your head.

I'm talking about a 26 year old GK improving.

You're talking about something which won't be happening.

Why don't we give Lambert a few weeks off & fix all the things wrong with his game? Or Balotelli? :rolleyes:

Mignolet will be getting replaced at Liverpool. It's clear. Pretending his few weeks off is about helping him "develop" is kidding yourselves.

Turtyturd · 24-12-2014 04:09PM

If he is done at Liverpool it's by the manager's design not because he is past it as was the case with Reina. There are a lot of positives about Mignolet and time for him to improve.

Would also give 'The Rodgers' more credibility if he took the same hardline approach to underperforming players whether they were his big money defender or team captain.

T-K-O · 24-12-2014 04:15PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You're talking about something which won't be happening.

Why don't we give Lambert a few weeks off & fix all the things wrong with his game? Or Balotelli? :rolleyes:

Mignolet will be getting replaced at Liverpool. It's clear. Pretending his few weeks off is about helping him "develop" is kidding yourselves.

Are you drunk?

Won't / Can't are very different. I stated that a 26 year old GK can improve.

I'm not going to address those other players mentioned, you seem confused.

Gits_bone · 24-12-2014 04:27PM

Mignolet can improve, but he won't be improving his shot stopping or reflexes (which are good).

You can certainly improve handling/footwork/decision making of which there's lots of room to improve.

OwaynOTT · 24-12-2014 04:51PM

garra wrote: »

Carra's all time Premiership 11: Schmeichel,Neville,Adams,Terry,Cole,Ronaldo,Gerrard,Keane,Giggs, Shearer,Henry.

Cant argue with the choices, 5 Utd players listed so you cant accuse him of bias I suppose

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/jamie-carragher-has-picked-his-alltime-premier-league-11-30861552.html

Also, he was helped by the fact no Liverpool player apart from Gerrard ever played well enough for a long enough period.

5live wrote: »

The Indo article has him available at £10million:D.

Yup, that's gonna happen....

Not a hope. A only spend at least 20 million on a player.

MD1990 · 24-12-2014 05:19PM

Liverpool want to steal Cagliari's co-owned Radja Nainggolan from Roma for €15million. [Gazzetta]

Would be an immense signing.

pmy.murphy · 24-12-2014 05:36PM

Heres a link to the Radja Nainggolan rumour http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/548697/Radja-Nainggolan-Liverpool-Transfer-News-Belgian-Roma-Stars-Update-Latest

Harry Palmr · 24-12-2014 05:36PM

I decided to get away from all the fighting and spend the afternoon watching Patton.

Agent Coulson · 24-12-2014 05:36PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Liverpool want to steal Cagliari's co-owned Radja Nainggolan from Roma for €15million. [Gazzetta]

Would be an immense signing.

#BuyalltheBelgian's...except Mignolet who we already have and have dropped

Agent Coulson · 24-12-2014 05:37PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I decided to get away from all the fighting and spend the afternoon watching Patton.

A man with good tactical awareness

What are you trying to say?

Gits_bone · 24-12-2014 05:45PM

Oh Naiingolan would be incredible.

Kirby · 24-12-2014 05:49PM

He's not exactly going to sit in front of the defence though is he? Isnt that one of the problems with Liverpool at the moment? Leaking goals?

Harry Palmr · 24-12-2014 05:51PM

Why would Liverpool want this fella? What does he do that needs doing?

Kirby · 24-12-2014 05:54PM

Well he's quite a good player but you would need to convert him a little bit. He like's to get forward and loves a shot....a lot like Toni Kroos so it's possible Rodgers could play him deeper the way Ancelotti does with Kroos...........

Gits_bone · 24-12-2014 05:56PM

He'd do a better job than Gerrard and knows how to play the position unlike Gerrard.

Super-Rush · 24-12-2014 06:05PM

Jebus crisp please not Torres.

MD1990 · 24-12-2014 06:15PM

Kirby wrote: »

He's not exactly going to sit in front of the defence though is he? Isnt that one of the problems with Liverpool at the moment? Leaking goals?

He's more of a box to box midfielder. Ive seen him alot & he is an exceptional CM. A great athlete & very good on the ball too.

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