Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

1…5152545657…66

Comments

  • #1592
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭SeanW


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    Remember Lisbon and Nice referenda?
    There were good reasons to oppose both of those.

    I don't see the similarity.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • #1593
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    thaidad wrote: »
    Name calling is all the yes side has to get people to vote yes.

    Name calling?
    there was none.

    ideas for a more suitable username was all that was mentioned :)


  • #1594
    The Masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭The Masculinist


    david75 wrote: »
    and Im not sure how your objection to me loving my boyfriend and wanting to marry him, affects you at all...in any way

    It is my Constitution too, so this referendum will affect me. Personally, I think there are better ways to show love to one's partner than by simply marrying them. I believe marriage is flawed and has very little purpose in modern society, hence I don't think the scope needs to be changed.

    PS I am happy for you and your boyfriend, I wish you happiness for many years to come :)


  • #1595
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    david75 wrote: »
    (to be honest Larry, once you get past 'the angry inch' at the back, gettin the box knocked off ye is really quite enjoyable..prostate orgasms, for the win!)

    if god didnt want men to have orgasms, he wouldnt have hidden their G spot up the back door

    My dear God son I genuinely worry for you.The prostate is a gland who's job is to secrete fluid so as semen becomes alkaline on the PH scale.The reason for this is so semen will neutralise the acidity of the female,yes female,vagina so as sperm can live longer.This has always and will always be natures intention for this gland.You can make attempts to redefine words like marriage but this is a chemical and biological fact.


  • #1596
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    It is my Constitution too, so this referendum will affect me.

    In what specific way will it affect you?


  • Advertisement
  • #1597
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    I posted that I had a problem with how this topic was being debated and that I was voting for free speach. When I said this, many people jumped in making assumptions in relation to my views and soforth. Also, emotive terminology, such as "bigoted" and "hate filled" is being used when referring to the no side. Hence, I believe debate is being stifled.

    Many people came in and questioned you on what you posted thats whats called a debate, you failed to back up anything you said.

    As I said NO argument that has been put forward against homosexual marriage has been without hate or bigotry thats just a fact, not liking the words used to describe what these arguments amount to doesn't make them any less factual


  • #1598
    The Masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭The Masculinist


    SeanW wrote: »
    There were good reasons to oppose both of those.

    I don't see the similarity.

    I was drawing similarities how many people voted no as a protest vote. This was prticularly the case in relation to the Lisbon treaty where people felt that they were being left in the dark and not given enough information before the referendum and voted no as a protest. Similarly, in relation to gay marriage, I believe that debate is being stifled and the no side is not being heard and/or being covered by the media. Hence, I am inclined to excersize my vote as a "protest vote". I would like to hear from both sides in an open and well covered manner before making my mind up.


  • #1599
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    It is my Constitution too, so this referendum will affect me. Personally, I think there are better ways to show love to one's partner than by simply marrying them. I believe marriage is flawed and has very little purpose in modern society, hence I don't think the scope needs to be changed.

    PS I am happy for you and your boyfriend, I wish you happiness for many years to come :)


    Youre ahead of your time maybe.But we have to deal within the rules and constructs we have established and live within....to get to the point you want, and by your logic, surely making marriage open to all, would bring about that irrelevance. So you should again by your logic, vote yes if you truly wish to see marriage become an empty worthless institution?


  • #1600
    thaidad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭thaidad


    david75 wrote: »
    (to be honest Larry, once you get past 'the angry inch' at the back, gettin the box knocked off ye is really quite enjoyable..prostate orgasms, for the win!)

    if god didnt want men to have orgasms, he wouldnt have hidden their G spot up the back door

    Why won't some gay men bottom are they secretly straight but too ugly to get a women? I mean if it's so good why are there gay men that will top only.


  • #1601
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    fran17 wrote: »
    My dear God son I genuinely worry for you.The prostate is a gland who's job is to secrete fluid so as semen becomes alkaline on the PH scale.The reason for this is so semen will neutralise the acidity of the female,yes female,vagina so as sperm can live longer.This has always and will always be natures intention for this gland.You can make attempts to redefine words like marriage but this is a chemical and biological fact.


    clearly you never liked spinach or anal sex as a child...(that was a joke you wont get but applies to you)

    While you're busy googling, google prostate orgasm. Ah gwan.. you might learn something.


  • Advertisement
  • #1602
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    thaidad wrote: »
    Why won't some gay men bottom are they secretly straight but too ugly to get a women? I mean if it's so good why are there gay men that will top only.


    I have often wondered..but its a tea vs coffee thing, simple as that.
    some do some dont. No accounting for taste and naught as queer as folk.


  • #1603
    The Masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭The Masculinist


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Many people came in and questioned you on what you posted thats whats called a debate, you failed to back up anything you said.

    As I said NO argument that has been put forward against homosexual marriage has been without hate or bigotry thats just a fact, not liking the words used to describe what these arguments amount to doesn't make them any less factual

    Quite simple really buddy! I believe that marriage is deeply flawed. I believe that it is overhyped in Ireland and many people feel forced into marriage due to age constraints and societal norms. In effect, I believe that it causes many problems when things go sour which leads to extra undue hardship. Anyone who has been through a divorce will trstify to this. Indeed, I believe that there are not enough arguements supporting the simple idea of marriage and the benefits it actually offers couples (straight or gay) to begin with. I believe that there are benefits in very specific situations which I am happy to go in to if you would like.

    Hence, I believe that there is no reason to change the scope of marriage to include homosexuals as I believe marriage is flawed to begin with. Hence, I don't want to change the consititution when I believe marriage, as it currently stands, is flawed as is.


  • #1604
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Will there be other referendum questions or elections on the day? If not the turnout will be low. Most straight people couldn't give a fup why gays do or don't do. It could boil down to seeing if the religous or cc fanatics outnumber gay voters.


  • #1605
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    A Catholic parish priest who left the ministry to marry will this week be replaced in his English parish by a married priest with three children.

    nature taking its course....


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/priest-who-left-ministry-to-marry-replaced-by-married-priest-1.2046831


  • #1606
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,434 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    endacl wrote: »
    1. Because it's icky.
    2. God says no.
    3. Unspecified reason, yet to be articulated.
    The Masculinist wrote: »
    I was drawing similarities how many people voted no as a protest vote. This was prticularly the case in relation to the Lisbon treaty where people felt that they were being left in the dark and not given enough information before the referendum and voted no as a protest. Similarly, in relation to gay marriage, I believe that debate is being stifled and the no side is not being heard and/or being covered by the media. Hence, I am inclined to excersize my vote as a "protest vote". I would like to hear from both sides in an open and well covered manner before making my mind up.

    This is the third time I've posted the above. I'm just gonna presume you've nothing for point 3. Freely speak away there.

    ;)


  • #1607
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I'm waiting for my first Irish same sex wedding invite!! So hurry up and vote!


  • #1608
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,065 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    Quite simple really buddy! I believe that marriage is deeply flawed. I believe that it is overhyped in Ireland and many people feel forced into marriage due to age constraints and societal norms. In effect, I believe that it causes many problems when things go sour which leads to extra undue hardship. Anyone who has been through a divorce will trstify to this. Indeed, I believe that there are not enough arguements supporting the simple idea of marriage and the benefits it actually offers couples (straight or gay) to begin with. I believe that there are benefits in very specific situations which I am happy to go in to if you would like.

    Hence, I believe that there is no reason to change the scope of marriage to include homosexuals as I believe marriage is flawed to begin with. Hence, I don't want to change the consititution when I believe marriage, as it currently stands, is flawed as is.

    Fair enough, but like someone else said surely expanding the scope of marriage would just lead to its eventual downfall as a concept?


  • #1609
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    Hence, I don't want to change the consititution when I believe marriage, as it currently stands, is flawed as is.



    So how do you know, or can you prove, gay marriage wont make it a better institution?


  • #1610
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Will there be other referendum questions or elections on the day? If not the turnout will be low. Most straight people couldn't give a fup why gays do or don't do. It could boil down to seeing if the religous or cc fanatics outnumber gay voters.

    I think there is 2 or 3 on the same day

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1611
    The Masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭The Masculinist


    david75 wrote: »
    Youre ahead of your time maybe.But we have to deal within the rules and constructs we have established and live within....to get to the point you want, and by your logic, surely making marriage open to all, would bring about that irrelevance. So you should again by your logic, vote yes if you truly wish to see marriage become an empty worthless institution?

    I believe by expanding the scope of marriage, so to speak, you are actually reinforcing it and making it more important. If you look at Ireland in the 90s, which is not that long ago, the idea of gay marriage would not be even discussed really. Less than 20 years late, by voting yes, you are showing how such a significant societal change this actually is and as a result also drawing more attention to marriage and making it more important than ever in my view.


  • Advertisement
  • #1612
    thaidad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭thaidad


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I'm waiting for my first Irish same sex wedding invite!! So hurry up and vote!

    I am waiting for the first divorce, first one where it will be fair as there is no woman to automatically side with, they will have to be fair to both sides, unless they just make the twink bottom the woman and give him the house and small dog.


  • #1613
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Will there be other referendum questions or elections on the day? If not the turnout will be low. Most straight people couldn't give a fup why gays do or don't do. It could boil down to seeing if the religous or cc fanatics outnumber gay voters.

    I am straight and am applying for Irish citizenship (which I'm entitled to but haven't bothered to get until now) specifically so I can vote in that referendum. Sorry if that blows your theory out of the water.


  • #1614
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Fair enough, but like someone else said surely expanding the scope of marriage would just lead to its eventual downfall as a concept?

    I fail to see how that would be the case.
    If anything it'll add to the number of people tying the knot, put marriage centre stage for a while during the introduction period etc.

    Marriage isn't everyone's choice of way to live but, it shouldn't be closed off to gay people.


  • #1615
    The Masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭The Masculinist


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Fair enough, but like someone else said surely expanding the scope of marriage would just lead to its eventual downfall as a concept?

    As I just posted, I believe it will reinforce the idea and make it more important.


  • #1616
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    The Masculinist wrote: »
    I believe by expanding the scope of marriage, so to speak, you are actually reinforcing it and making it more important. If you look at Ireland in the 90s, which is not that long ago, the idea of gay marriage would not be even discussed really. Less than 20 years late, by voting yes, you are showing how such a significant societal change this actually is and as a result also drawing more attention to marriage and making it more important than ever in my view.


    I agree..so, wtf is all the opponents to its problem??


  • #1617
    thaidad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭thaidad


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I am straight and am applying for Irish citizenship (which I'm entitled to but haven't bothered to get until now) specifically so I can vote in that referendum. Sorry if that blows your theory out of the water.

    You won't be voting it will take more then 3 months to go though.


  • #1618
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,835 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Billy86 wrote: »
    By the way, where have you got the 80% support figure from?

    Support for the introduction of same-sex marriage is rising steadily, with a majority supporting the move, the latest Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll has found.
    Asked how they would vote in the planned referendum on the issue, 71 per cent said they would vote in favour, 17 per cent that they would vote No, 9 per cent had no opinion and 3 per cent refused to respond.
    When undecided voters or those who refused to respond are excluded, the Yes figure rises to 81 per cent with 19 per cent on the No side.


    Source: Poll shows rising support for same-sex marriage

    The problem there is that I don't think there has been any lack of support from me amongst the yes side or undecideds. If you feel I am wrong here, please feel free to point out where.


    Is there any point? If you can't see it already, there's not much point in me pointing it out. I'm unsubbing from this thread now as it's just going round in the usual circles that these threads always do and nothing good will come of it IMO.


  • #1619
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    I will vote Yes. It's called progress.


  • #1620
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I am straight and am applying for Irish citizenship (which I'm entitled to but haven't bothered to get until now) specifically so I can vote in that referendum. Sorry if that blows your theory out of the water.

    Welcome aboard! She's a fine ship! watch out for the odd financial leak and the odd rat below deck and on the bridge tho

    Register to vote as a Kiwi resident immediately. You're entitled to vote in council / local elections as an Irish resident. Then you'll just have to upgrade your registration when your citizenship comes through.


  • Advertisement
  • #1621
    thaidad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭thaidad


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I will vote Yes. It's called progress.

    What's next for progess, multi wifes, no species marriage, furries getting to not be human but the species of their choice?


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement