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Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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  • #6782
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #6783
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    gutteruu wrote: »
    To be fair there should be blatant proof needed although its unfortunate for people in your situation. Otherwise anyone can make up any story and have someone prosecuted on their opinion. I don't agree with this traffic watch number either.

    Giving the 'dear Joe' yaris driving woman who bought her license and never done a test, randomly parks anywhere, blocks lanes, swerves out in front over everyone the power to have the cops interrogate someone who beeped at her is a bad idea.

    Let the police do the policing. If you have a video, thats different.
    Most cases that the police deal with involve difference of opinions. You don't need a video to go to the police about a traffic issue or any issue. Video can help, but it's not a prerequisite.
    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Sorry to hear it. I'd love to hear more about the exact legal situation. I can't believe that it is that easily to get off the hook legally with a touch of denial.
    MarkAnthony wrote: »
    Was Rainy in work today?
    Who's Asking?
    Garda Pat O'Brien
    Oh is he okay?
    Yes - was he in work?
    Yes
    Did he drive in do you know?
    Yes he left at 5pm

    Not really a 'beyond reasonable doubt' situation.


  • #6784
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Not really a 'beyond reasonable doubt' situation.

    Of course it is.

    Rainy's car spotted at 17:13 doing a donut on the Blanchardstown Interchange (or what ever)

    Fixed penalty notice issued

    Wasn't me Guv, lets go to court.

    Garda investigation started.

    Garda phones your employer and asks if you were in work that day. Information give as above. You come in the next day.

    "Rainy The guards were asking after you everything okay"
    "Yes keep stum - don't go to court"

    Subpoena issued

    Person cross examined by a barrister breaks down in about 5 seconds.

    Rainy gets the the wrath of a District Court Judge for wasting everyone's time.

    Seriously, it's not that hard to investigate something like this. As I've already said in matters like this there is usually some latitude given. Not only that if you did loan the car to someone you'd be under an obligation to tell them who. If you claimed you loaned the car and didn't or claimed it was stolen - you're looking at adding perjury to the charges. Depending on the Judge and the mood that day that could have you being very careful with the soap for a few days.


  • #6785
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    MarkAnthony wrote: »
    Not only that if you did loan the car to someone you'd be under an obligation to tell them who. If you claimed you loaned the car and didn't or claimed it was stolen - you're looking at adding perjury to the charges.
    And does this same obligation apply to the scumbag who chooses to say nothing? And will be looking at 'added perjury' also?


  • #6786
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    rizzodun wrote: »
    What it should be is that the registered owner is prosecuted for an offence if he cannot prove who was driving, .........

    So, guilty until proven innocent? Hardly fair, is it?


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  • #6787
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    RainyDay wrote: »
    And does this same obligation apply to the scumbag who chooses to say nothing? And will be looking at 'added perjury' also?

    One can stay silent, but usually the guards will get something out of you. If you follow the solicitors advice you might avoid that. Probably you'll say just enough to get the interview in front of the Judge who is then under an obligation NOT to draw inferences from it (yeah right). Whether there are any offences in relation to refusal to tell the guards who was driving a vehicle registered to you simpliciter - I don't know.

    One would be spending time in a garda interview, having acquaintances questioned by the guards and wasting at least one day in the DC, to say nothing of the any legal fees is easier, or an incentive over paying the fine and taking the points? You'll probably be unhappy with the DC court treatment if you are done; appeals to the Circuit Court are de novo, so at best another day wasted.

    Yes there is probably a better than 50/50 chance if you're a chancer and know the system to avoid the points. The times you do get caught you pay for all the times you got away with it.

    As I say there is an incentive to cop to it, not least of which is avoiding a conviction.

    EDIT: Sorry 'you' should be 'one' all the way through that, not directed at you personally.


  • #6788
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    So, guilty until proven innocent? Hardly fair, is it?

    You're absolutely right in relation to prosecutions but the FPN is a different matter.


  • #6789
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    MarkAnthony wrote: »
    You're absolutely right in relation to prosecutions but the FPN is a different matter.

    Why should it be different? The basic principle of Justice is that any offence must be proven beyond reasonable doubt. To put the onus of proving guilt/innocence on the owner of a vehicle is inherently wrong.


  • #6790
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    Just wondering what the price of a dashcam is? Do many people in Ireland have them or would there be much of a demand for them?


  • #6791
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Why should it be different? The basic principle of Justice is that any offence must be proven beyond reasonable doubt. To put the onus of proving guilt/innocence on the owner of a vehicle is inherently wrong.

    There is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt in relation to FPNs. There's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt in most cases where Constitutional Justice and fairness prevail. An FPN is an administrative sanction on a privilege (driving licence), a conviction is against a person and in Ireland is for life at the moment. That said, the majority would seem to agree with you hence we don't have the suggested policy.
    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Just wondering what the price of a dashcam is? Do many people in Ireland have them or would there be much of a demand for them?

    There's a separate thread - link is a bit further up.


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  • #6792
    dickwod1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭dickwod1


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Just wondering what the price of a dashcam is? Do many people in Ireland have them or would there be much of a demand for them?

    Info here ... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056815237


  • #6793
    rizzodun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭rizzodun


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    So, guilty until proven innocent? Hardly fair, is it?

    Not exactly, if your name is on the registration, then make sure whoever you're giving the car to is going to be responsible. As I mentioned probably impossible to police but it's stop people saying "Sure it wasn't me driving" and getting away with it, that's my reasoning behind it. I wouldn't give my car to someone likely to act the maggot in it, I wouldn't be too impressed with the guards knocking at my door asking why my car was racing around a backroad (or whatever).


  • #6794
    RootX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭RootX




    Close call earlier today, your man had the nerve to point at the traffic lights...


  • #6795
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Fcuking idiot. Heavier rain and you'd have hit in IMO.
    No lights on either.... tosser.


  • #6796
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    I hope he see's the video! That light couldn't have been clearer!


  • #6797
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,373 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    corktina wrote: »
    I hope he see's the video! That light couldn't have been clearer!

    Sure doesn't green for him mean he can go whatever way he pleases...


  • #6798
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    He was obviously in the wrong but I found in Dublin City Centre that it's hard to know if you're supposed to go or not.

    So I'm going up a one way street, traffic lights ahead and the lights are green. I know from driving this road before there's a seperate green light for going left. So I stop, car starts beeping from behind.

    Lights go red. Eventually, the light goes green.

    How do I know if I'm allowed to go left as the left arrow isn't lit up, but just the green light to go straight is. (plain green, no arrow).

    I'm not sure why they can't have a red arrow for going left as well.


  • #6799
    mb1725
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭mb1725


    I'm always wary of anyone who wears a hat in a car. Always have, always will!!


  • #6800
    Sterling Archer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭Sterling Archer


    spurious wrote: »
    Sure doesn't green for him mean he can go whatever way he pleases...

    Green Light, Indicator on, oncoming car just passed - I'm clearly in the right to turn :rolleyes:


  • #6801
    RootX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭RootX


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    He was obviously in the wrong but I found in Dublin City Centre that it's hard to know if you're supposed to go or not.

    So I'm going up a one way street, traffic lights ahead and the lights are green. I know from driving this road before there's a seperate green light for going left. So I stop, car starts beeping from behind.

    Lights go red. Eventually, the light goes green.

    How do I know if I'm allowed to go left as the left arrow isn't lit up, but just the green light to go straight is. (plain green, no arrow).

    I'm not sure why they can't have a red arrow for going left as well.


    A green light with the separate filter light off means you can proceed as long as the junction is clear - if there's traffic or you're not sure if you can make it on time, stay where you are and ignore inpatient drivers behind you.
    Filter light(arrow) on(green) means oncoming traffic has red lights therefore you're safe to proceed.

    The road position of the guy in the video sucked as well, he wasn't waiting in the white box and as a result he had limited visibility and his manouvre took longer to complete.


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  • #6802
    highdef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭highdef


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    He was obviously in the wrong but I found in Dublin City Centre that it's hard to know if you're supposed to go or not.

    So I'm going up a one way street, traffic lights ahead and the lights are green. I know from driving this road before there's a seperate green light for going left. So I stop, car starts beeping from behind.

    Lights go red. Eventually, the light goes green.

    How do I know if I'm allowed to go left as the left arrow isn't lit up, but just the green light to go straight is. (plain green, no arrow).

    I'm not sure why they can't have a red arrow for going left as well.

    Plain green light with no arrow means that traffic can proceed in all directions that are permitted, if safe to do so.

    What can be confusing is when you have a green light in one traffic light column and a red light in the adjacent column where the red light does not really tell you which direction the red light is for. Usually you can figure it out by the placement of the traffic light column plus other road markings. in recent times, traffic lights of this type have appeared that have a red filter arrow which clears things up a lot. One example of this is when approaching the Baldoyle Road junction on Dublin Road, travelling from the Sutton direction.


  • #6803
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Apologies folks if the question has already been asked/answered,

    What type of dash cam's do you have? Where did you get them?

    I want a decent quality one, (HD) that also records sound, where will I find one in or around Dublin? and how much will it set me back?


  • #6804
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    RootX wrote: »


    Close call earlier today, your man had the nerve to point at the traffic lights...

    You need to report that. There are no L plates but that has to be a learner driver or someone that doesn't know how a green light right turn works. If he's doing that on a regular basis he and/or someone else is going to get hurt; absolute moron.

    Well done for managing to stop.


  • #6805
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    highdef wrote: »
    Plain green light with no arrow means that traffic can proceed in all directions that are permitted, if safe to do so.

    What can be confusing is when you have a green light in one traffic light column and a red light in the adjacent column where the red light does not really tell you which direction the red light is for. Usually you can figure it out by the placement of the traffic light column plus other road markings. in recent times, traffic lights of this type have appeared that have a red filter arrow which clears things up a lot. One example of this is when approaching the Baldoyle Road junction on Dublin Road, travelling from the Sutton direction.

    I thought this was the case, but one time I proceeded to turn left when the main green light was green and I could see the pedestrian crossing was still green on the road I was going to pass through..


  • #6806
    MarkAnthony
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    I thought this was the case, but one time I proceeded to turn left when the main green light was green and I could see the pedestrian crossing was still green on the road I was going to pass through..

    Can you google street view where you're talking about please?


  • #6807
    DAF XF
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭DAF XF


    Hi lad had cash for crash attempt on m50 . Maybe some one can link video because i can't i too new to boards just google cash for crash m50 and it should come up thanks


  • #6808
    joujoujou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,243 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    Andybobandy wrote: »
    Apologies folks if the question has already been asked/answered,

    What type of dash cam's do you have? Where did you get them?

    [...]

    Take a look here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056815237

    :)


  • #6809
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    RootX, what sort of tyres do you have there? Very impressive stopping distance given the weather.


  • #6810
    quietsailor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    DAF XF - is this the one your talking about?


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  • #6811
    RootX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭RootX


    Caliden wrote: »
    RootX, what sort of tyres do you have there? Very impressive stopping distance given the weather.

    Michelin PS3 mate.


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