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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I am less than moved by the various posters saying that the yes side is not courting their "undecided" vote, as if we didn't know their posting history and blieved for a second they were undecided...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    My post was a tongue in cheek response to an unsubstantiated claim. Better?

    As a member of the stupid side (as per you).....I don't understand your last post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    Because a higher amount of us have the mental capacity to operate technology?

    If you decide that one side has a greater proportion of intelligence per person.....the natural conclusion is that the other side is less intelligence(ie stupid)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    I am less than moved by the various posters saying that the yes side is not courting their "undecided" vote, as if we didn't know their posting history and blieved for a second they were undecided...

    Please review my posts and find any instance where I said anything negative about gay marriage. I will save you the trouble.....there are none

    I have a serious issue with the use of language and that has been my issue.
    The no side don't care how I vote but the yes side have an issue here with anyone who isn't voting yes.....so the yes are courting all votes here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Because a higher amount of us have the mental capacity to operate technology?

    That reply made me cringe for a moment and then I thought of it no more.No because online you have your anonymity and do not have to reveal who you are or what your thoughts are.I understand that throughout your day you cant be who you are because,for whatever reasons,society in the majority deems your lifestyle to be inappropriate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Flem31 wrote: »
    Please review my posts and find any instance where I said anything negative about gay marriage. I will save you the trouble.....there are none

    I have a serious issue with the use of language and that has been my issue.
    The no side don't care how I vote but the yes side have an issue here with anyone who isn't voting yes.....so the yes are courting all votes here

    you're so vain, I bet you think this post is about you, don't you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    You took my (tongue in cheek) comment claiming that those who support SSM are more intelligent, and tried to imply I'm calling heterosexual people stupid.

    Claiming hidden meanings after the fact........you could just be more careful with your language to avoid all the back tracking.........
    although if you continue to backtrack you could end up in in ancient Rome where SSC have equal rights(tongue in cheek comment):)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    you're so vain, I bet you think this post is about you, don't you?

    Quite witty.....so no ranting response available atm:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Oh this should be good. What part of my lifestyle does society deem to be inappropriate?

    He won't give you an answer, and if it does it will be childish. I wouldn't pay notice, he is just seeking validation by getting responses and is too much of a coward to back up what he is saying - he still hasn't responded to me challenging his positions, or really anyone's I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Oh this should be good. What part of my lifestyle does society deem to be inappropriate?

    The part where you're not getting hunted down in a "safari" by sadistic religious skinheads?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Oh this should be good. What part of my lifestyle does society deem to be inappropriate?

    Society doesn't or if it does its mature enough to have a "live and let live" attitude. Fran, and others like him, like to think the rest of the world shares their warped opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I'll be voting 'No'

    In my view it's a sickness brought on by a level of neglect by parents or maybe a lack of!

    Funnily enough, no-one from the "the gays better be nice if they want me to vote yes" side have condemned this post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Bang goes the theory that only liberal minded people are in favour of this.

    I'm fairly socially liberal... I'm simply not willing to remain friends with people who are so willing to stand in the way of others happiness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Flem31 wrote: »
    Quite witty.....so no ranting response available atm:)

    No, for real, I have never noticed you outside od this thread. I have no rant available.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    fran17 wrote: »
    That reply made me cringe for a moment and then I thought of it no more.No because online you have your anonymity and do not have to reveal who you are or what your thoughts are.I understand that throughout your day you cant be who you are because,for whatever reasons,society in the majority deems your lifestyle to be inappropriate.

    No it doesn't. I have provided links which show you to be wrong. Why must you continue to lie?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Oh I know he won't. I know quite well what he's getting at too. I'm putting the following statement in spoilers to avoid giving fran a heart attack. Please don't read this fran, for your own sake
    I'm heterosexual

    :eek:
    Me too, but don't tell anyone!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Flem31 wrote: »
    Quite witty.....so no ranting response available atm:)

    It's odd. You keep on and on about the language of the Yes side but you continuously refuse to acknowledge the nasty homophobia from a few (a few not all) other posters.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I've never had an opponent of equal rights in the gay marriage debate, ever explain to me rationally how it affects them or their lives in any way at all if gay people are allowed marry.

    It's none of their business. At all....

    baffling that anyone would try dictate other peoples happiness or even presume to have such bigoted views


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭afterglow


    Hi all

    first time AA poster.

    I wanted to quote from quite earlier in the thread but went back to find it, couldn't...
    I just wanted to say I will be voting, and voting yes.
    I have a vision impairment, so as things stand in ireland at the moment, i have to rely on a trusted person to vote with me, and that they will vote the way I want.
    I thurghly agree with the poster that his daughter came out, and he has changed his views on ssm because of this. How amazing it is that we as human beings have the ability to show humility and adaptability based on situations in which we find ourselves.
    I will be voting yes because I believe, as others have said, it is nobody's business to say who can fall in love with each other or not, no matter what their gender.
    I wonder if all the people voting no would pass a referendum in the morning to say that anyone with a physical or sensary disability shouldn't be aloud to get married? It would be very hard for people voting no to say that they wouldn't because essentially, by voting no to this referendum, you would most likely vote yes to the hypothetical one i've put here, because what your saying really is you reject difference. You reject the write of people who are different than you to be equal. To have the same rights that you do when walking down the streets with his/her partner. To make a commitment to their life partner. Who is anyone to say that these people shouln't be able to enjoy their relationships in the same way that hetrosexual people do?
    I for one think this is wrong, and also want to be part of the generation that contributed to change on such an important equality issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    Because facts and his outlook don't tend to go hand in hand?

    I think its called cognitive dissonanace...a bizarre but real type of behaviour


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    afterglow wrote: »
    Hi all

    first time AA poster.

    I wanted to quote from quite earlier in the thread but went back to find it, couldn't...
    I just wanted to say I will be voting, and voting yes.
    I have a vision impairment, so as things stand in ireland at the moment, i have to rely on a trusted person to vote with me, and that they will vote the way I want.
    I thurghly agree with the poster that his daughter came out, and he has changed his views on ssm because of this. How amazing it is that we as human beings have the ability to show humility and adaptability based on situations in which we find ourselves.
    I will be voting yes because I believe, as others have said, it is nobody's business to say who can fall in love with each other or not, no matter what their gender.
    I wonder if all the people voting no would pass a referendum in the morning to say that anyone with a physical or sensary disability shouldn't be aloud to get married? It would be very hard for people voting no to say that they wouldn't because essentially, by voting no to this referendum, you would most likely vote yes to the hypothetical one i've put here, because what your saying really is you reject difference. You reject the write of people who are different than you to be equal. To have the same rights that you do when walking down the streets with his/her partner. To make a commitment to their life partner. Who is anyone to say that these people shouln't be able to enjoy their relationships in the same way that hetrosexual people do?
    I for one think this is wrong, and also want to be part of the generation that contributed to change on such an important equality issue.

    Great post. Telling it like it is, afterglow. The fear of difference is something that does the human race no favours, and it's a throw back to herd mentality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A poll here has as much relevance as gay marriage.

    Have people considered everything that's associated with a marriage?

    I know 'a few' & have no issues with them but the idea of a marriage just goes

    against my grain anyway.

    Can you put into words exactly why you disagree with gay marriage? Or are you just gonna stick with the "it doesnt feel right to me" non answer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    It seems reprehensible to me that on the day of the referendum people would get out of bed and say right ! today I am going to vote against people having equal rights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    I'm a straights guy who is lucky enough to have a large number of gay friends. All in loving, caring relationships that are on a par with any of my friends in straight relationships. These are just normal everyday folk that differ to me only in that they love people of the same sex. I will be voting and campaigning for a yes vote. Their love is no less valid or real than anyone else's. It's a simple matter of equal rights


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I remember when my daughter first came out to me, its a few years ago now and while we were totally fine with it my first emotion was one of fear. We are white and Irish, we have the luxury of not being subjected to discrimination at all. Now all of a sudden we were facing the reality that our girl was in effect a second class citizen simply because of who she loves, something she doesn't have a choice in. She's lucky she has a great family and friends who take her as she is, she's never been bullied or faced any negativity but she's not out in a public sense, she's not dating...who knows what she will have to deal with when she is.

    What people don't seem to get is its a lot more than just not having the right to marry the person you love. From a psychological point of view being told you are not allowed to do the same things as your straight peers is damaging. How to I explain to her that she can't marry but her sibling can? How do I help her navigate the normal teenage crap and come through it with a sense of self worth when she lives in a country that doesn't value her? It breaks my heart to read some of the rubbish from people who are against same sex marriage, I've shed many tears over the vitriol I've read over the past year. It makes me feel like sh!t so I can only imagine how much it must hurt the gay community.

    Its a huge privilege to be part of the generation that has the chance to do something amazing for civil rights in this country. Its a huge opportunity to say that we value everyone equally. Please don't waste it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    I will be voting no, as I think that marriage, as a whole, should be abolished.

    What would you put in place for people who wish to make a public statement of commitment of their love, their wish to combine their lives to the extent that guardianship of children/property/possessions are automatically passed on to the other in the event of the death of one of them, without having the survivor going to court?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I will be voting no, as I think that marriage, as a whole, should be abolished.

    Yet voting no bring's that goal nowhere closer and keeps part of the population of this country as unequal?

    Can you clarify why you want marriage abolished?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I've been thinking about this today. It seems to me there is a lot of people here on the yes side who could really direct their energies to something productive.

    Personally I will be helping my Local YesEquality campaign and volunteering a large amount with them over the next 4 months and I would encourage all Yes Voters to actively engage with the campaign in some way.

    Here's the YesEquality details.

    https://www.yesequality.ie/
    https://www.facebook.com/yesequality
    https://www.twitter.com/YesEquality2015
    https://www.facebook.com/YesEqualityWicklow
    https://www.facebook.com/yesequalitydonegal
    https://www.facebook.com/YesEqualityLimerick
    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=813347945396642
    https://www.facebook.com/Westmeathforequality
    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1506512519609561
    https://www.facebook.com/YesEqualityDublinBayNorth

    I also love this piece from Rachel Mathews McKay of SIPTU LGBTQ in GCN and I think it has some very important points to make.
    With the civil marriage equality referendum fast approaching, we all need to get armed and ready. Emotional buttons are likely to be pressed in different ways over the coming months. The tone of the opposition will sting like hell. We’ll all be facing comments about our lives and lifestyles, who we are, and what other people think we are, and we’ll be made vulnerable, especially those of us who aren’t out, or who have self-esteem issues rooted in attitudes to our sexual orientation.

    But we’re going to have to rise above it all, remain positive and in the face of opposition, we’re all going to be challenged to step up and speak out one way or another. It might be in our staff rooms, it might be at our Christmas dinner tables, maybe it will be as simple as changing our Facebook/twitter profile pictures to one of those funky ‘Yes’ designs. For many of us, it will be about getting out there, knocking on doors, and for the first time in our lives, canvassing for votes.

    Of course, not everyone is a political junkie or activist. For many, referendums and elections are about ‘politics’ and political parties, which they find alienating. But the same-sex marriage referendum will be the best kind of voting opportunity, because it’s dealing with real-life, human stuff.
    I understand that the idea of knocking on people’s doors, asking them to vote and trying to persuade them how to vote is daunting. It conjures up all manner of fears and worst-case scenarios. I’ve been around a few blocks and worn out a few shoes myself, for a broad range of elections and I still get the heebie-jeebies. But if you go out canvassing for same-sex marriage, you won’t be alone in leaving your comfort zone. It’s rare that a referendum is about things like the equality of love. Politicians and political activists are hardly used to talking about same same-sex partners and their families.

    But going out, knocking on doors and talking about these things is fundamentally what it will take to get the referendum passed.

    Canvassers, both first time and seasoned, may be worried about the reactions they get on doorsteps, but think about the message we have to give. Passing this referendum won’t just be good for the LGBT-identifying couples who might one day choose to get married. Equality in all its measures is good for everybody, as is choice. The issues at the heart of the question this referendum will ask are centred on acceptance, respect and inclusion. Knowing this will make asking for support easier. When it comes to promoting democracy and equality, it’s hard to get it wrong and it’s hard to argue against.

    Over the years I’ve had a blast canvassing. I got to meet new people, make new friends and catch-up with old ones. I’ve stood at DART stations at dawn and on high streets across the island, alone and with like-minded colleagues, having the craic, wearing the t-shirt, creating the photo opp and spreading the word.

    Last year I got involved with the successful Seanad Referendum campaign. It was a such a great experience and at the end of six months I came away with new skills, essentially a changed woman. Changed by the knowledge that even when the task feels too big, the obstacles insurmountable, the challenge too personal; even when the opposition feels stronger and wealthier, it never pays to give up. I also learned that you don’t need to be an expert to share your story or voice your opinion and it’s okay to follow your own initiatives. I wrote my own articles and got them published. I accepted invitations to participate in debates against Government Ministers in community centres; I made my own signs and designed my own campaigning materials. During the Seanad campaign, one of my morning mantras was: “What can I do today to secure a vote?” Some days all I could do was re-tweet and others were off-the-scale exciting. I wholeheartedly accept that not everyone has a burning desire to help improve the world through the joys of noise-making or petition signing. And just because someone isn’t a card-carrying, placard-waving political animal, it doesn’t mean they aren’t making a difference in their community or contributing to a cause.

    The key to winning this referendum will be hearing the call for a ‘Yes’ vote from a broad array of voices in and outside of the LGBT community. The ‘Yes Equality’ campaign led the way on this strategy with the joined-up thinking of GLEN, ICCL and Marriage Equality. But other civic groups are already joining in to help maximise the message by reaching out to their members and constituents. We’re seeing the Trade Union movement for example launching its ‘Yes2Equality’ campaign. As a campaign activist of SIPTU LGBTQ Network I have been addressing Divisional conferences and asking ordinary members all around the country to support their LGBT co-workers and vote yes next spring. USI have been at universities and colleges around the country ensuring students are ready and registered to vote.

    Activism comes in all sorts of shapes and guises, and every effort counts. Every tweet, re-tweet, share, ‘like’, badge worn, leaflet distributed, public forum conversation, local newspaper article, small gathering, chat with your nearest and dearest, even wearing a t-shirt to work – all of it will count when it comes to the end result. You don’t need to be an expert; all you need is to be willing, able and positive about change.

    The ‘Yes Equality’ campaign has excellent materials and resources for canvassing with. Go online and download the ‘Action Pack’. It’s a do it yourself guide to organising your own events and encouraging group initiatives.

    If you have an idea that you think will help change or encourage hearts and minds to support the extension of civil marriage to same-sex couples, get out and act on it.

    I firmly believe that the outcome of this referendum goes beyond the extension of civil marriage and belongs to no one group or special couple. It will ultimately serve to strengthen our democracy and pave a better and more inclusive way for future generations.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Shrap wrote: »
    What would you put in place for people who wish to make a public statement of commitment of their love, their wish to combine their lives to the extent that guardianship of children/property/possessions are automatically passed on to the other in the event of the death of one of them, without having the survivor going to court?

    Let the couple(s) draw up their own contracts, get them recognised by the state and considered legally binding. In reality, that's all that marriage is. A business contract. Leave marriage to non governmental institutions, like Christian churches, synagogues, mosques, and other houses of worship or private institutions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Let the couple(s) draw up their own contracts, get them recognised by the state and considered legally binding. In reality, that's all that marriage is. A business contract. Leave marriage to non governmental institutions, like Christian churches, synagogues, mosques, and other houses of worship or private institutions.

    Jaysus wept. Yes, that's what marriage is and it's already drawn up, recognised by the state and considered legally binding. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water Rob. Most people would like to put a loving touch on their business contract and declare their love in front of their family and friends. There's also nothing to stop you being the only two people at your wedding in a registry office if you only want the business deal.

    I really don't see your problem with it.


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