[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Spazdarn · 19-12-2014 01:06PM

walshb wrote: »

The drugs tests and demands and PED accusations are smoke and mirrors. Floyd just never really fancied Manny back in 2009/2010.

He likely would have beat him back then, but he's all about calculated risk.

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 02:53PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

He likely would have beat him back then, but he's all about calculated risk.

easily, not just likely-Manny can't handle good counter punchers and Floyd is the best.

walshb · 19-12-2014 03:43PM

cowzerp wrote: »

easily, not just likely-Manny can't handle good counter punchers and Floyd is the best.

Which makes all those pointless and diversionary tactics all the more stupid. What did he fear? It seems like he had some fear of facing Manny back then.

Spazdarn · 19-12-2014 04:09PM

Mayweather's not really a knock out artist though, and Manny back then was very active, good punch output. I wouldn't have said easily. It really depends on how dictates the pace of the fight. Manny fought at a frantic pace back then..

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 04:22PM

walshb wrote: »

Which makes all those pointless and diversionary tactics all the more stupid. What did he fear? It seems like he had some fear of facing Manny back then.

nothing to do with fear, it's well known the hatred the Mayweathers have for Bob Arum, It's all petty but both sides totally responsible in the whole charade, Roach/Arum for always matching Manny with the right styled opponent for example

walshb · 19-12-2014 04:35PM

cowzerp wrote: »

nothing to do with fear, it's well known the hatred the Mayweathers have for Bob Arum, It's all petty but both sides totally responsible in the whole charade, Roach/Arum for always matching Manny with the right styled opponent for example

Manny didn't match with the right opponents, he matched with opponents; all shapes and sizes and styles.

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 04:58PM

walshb wrote: »

Manny didn't match with the right opponents, he matched with opponents; all shapes and sizes and styles.

no he didn't ha!! thats gas, always lads who were easy to land clean on, and never good counter punchers bar Marquez and we all know how they went

walshb · 19-12-2014 05:06PM

cowzerp wrote: »

no he didn't ha!! thats gas, always lads who were easy to land clean on, and never good counter punchers bar Marquez and we all know how they went

He beat Marquez twice. Close fights all them. The KO loss was a fight that Manny was doing really well in. He was ahead on my card until he got caught with a great shot. Manny ducked nobody of note. Took on all comers across several weights.

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 05:16PM

walshb wrote: »

He beat Marquez twice. Close fights all them. The KO loss was a fight that Manny was doing really well in. He was ahead on my card until he got caught with a great shot. Manny ducked nobody of note. Took on all comers across several weights.

Marquez was robbed and either way, Marquez who Mayweather made look like a complete donkey gave Manny awful trouble, and that was by doing what Floyd is the king at, counter punching.

He's the only counter puncher of note Manny faced

walshb · 19-12-2014 05:19PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Marquez was robbed and either way, Marquez who Mayweather made look like a complete donkey gave Manny awful trouble, and that was by doing what Floyd is the king at, counter punching.

He's the only counter puncher of note Manny faced

He was not robbed in any. First fight Manny won. JMM was very competitive but was difficult to argue him winning 3 fights. The final fight was clear due to the sudden KO. Anyway, your point about Manny being somehow protected and matched with the "right" opponents is off the mark IMO. Just because Floyd beat up JMM means very little when matching Manny and Floyd. Manny and JMM are polar opposites. JMM gave Manny trouble, but still he didn't beat him, and Manny gave him a lot of trouble too.

Spazdarn · 19-12-2014 05:31PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Marquez was robbed and either way, Marquez who Mayweather made look like a complete donkey gave Manny awful trouble, and that was by doing what Floyd is the king at, counter punching.

He's the only counter puncher of note Manny faced

Easy to forget Mayweather came in heavy for that fight, against an opponent he was already bigger than... even then styles makes fights.

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 05:40PM

walshb wrote: »

He was not robbed in any. First fight Manny won. JMM was very competitive but was difficult to argue him winning 3 fights. The final fight was clear due to the sudden KO. Anyway, your point about Manny being somehow protected and matched with the "right" opponents is off the mark IMO. Just because Floyd beat up JMM means very little when matching Manny and Floyd. Manny and JMM are polar opposites. JMM gave Manny trouble, but still he didn't beat him, and Manny gave him a lot of trouble too.

it means something because it's well known Manny doesn't like Counter punchers and 1 leagues below Floyd gave Manny serious problems

Littlehorny · 19-12-2014 10:05PM

cowzerp wrote: »

it means something because it's well known Manny doesn't like Counter punchers and 1 leagues below Floyd gave Manny serious problems

If this is true and what with Mayweather being the bigger man then it should be an easy fight for Floyd. Why do you think Mayweather hasn't fought and beaten Pacquiao by now so?

cowzerp · 19-12-2014 10:17PM

Littlehorny wrote: »

If this is true and what with Mayweather being the bigger man then it should be an easy fight for Floyd. Why do you think Mayweather hasn't fought and beaten Pacquiao by now so?

i said already it would be, very easy.

JacksonHeightsOwn · 20-12-2014 01:02AM

walshb wrote: »

He was not robbed in any. First fight Manny won. JMM was very competitive but was difficult to argue him winning 3 fights. The final fight was clear due to the sudden KO. Anyway, your point about Manny being somehow protected and matched with the "right" opponents is off the mark IMO. Just because Floyd beat up JMM means very little when matching Manny and Floyd. Manny and JMM are polar opposites. JMM gave Manny trouble, but still he didn't beat him, and Manny gave him a lot of trouble too.

im neither a Floyd nor Pacquaio fanboy. So id like to think im fairly neutral regarding this. But isnt it common knowledge that when Pacquaio fought bigger guys, he made them fight at a catchweight below their actual weight, then put in clauses in the contracts that had the fighters pay crazy money for every pound they would gain?

I thought i heard whatever weight De La Hoya gained over the fight weight limit he forfeited $1 million per pound.

Pacquiao also fought Cotto, for Cotto's title as well, at a weight below what the title was. So in the record books it looks like Manny jumped up in weight, but there's no denying he certainly did it on his terms.

So to say Manny hasnt been matched better than Floyd is a bit disingenuous. They're both guilty of having the cards dealt in their favour.

Henno30 · 20-12-2014 03:58PM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

im neither a Floyd nor Pacquaio fanboy. So id like to think im fairly neutral regarding this. But isnt it common knowledge that when Pacquaio fought bigger guys, he made them fight at a catchweight below their actual weight, then put in clauses in the contracts that had the fighters pay crazy money for every pound they would gain?

I thought i heard whatever weight De La Hoya gained over the fight weight limit he forfeited $1 million per pound.

Pacquiao also fought Cotto, for Cotto's title as well, at a weight below what the title was. So in the record books it looks like Manny jumped up in weight, but there's no denying he certainly did it on his terms.

So to say Manny hasnt been matched better than Floyd is a bit disingenuous. They're both guilty of having the cards dealt in their favour.

He fought De La Hoya at 147lbs. Everyone was saying he was going to get slaughtered.

He fought Cotto at 145 when Cotto weighed in for his previous fight at 146. Again, everyone said it was ridiculous and he needed the fight to be at 143 to have a chance.

He fought Margarito at 150 in what he describes at the toughest fight of his life. Margarito was a career welterweight, yet by fighting three pounds heavier at 150 Pacquiao is supposed to have drained him?

Complete and utter nonsense. And penalties for coming in overweight are standard, not some secret clause invented by Pacquiao.

People need to go back and read what was actually written when Pacquiao moved up to the welterweight division. It was regarded as madness. But because he made it look so easy all his critics have to tell themselves it was.

walshb · 20-12-2014 08:47PM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I thought i heard whatever weight De La Hoya gained over the fight weight limit he forfeited $1 million per pound.

Oscar weighed 148 lbs unofficially on fight night. I never heard any 1 million dollar per lb fine for over an agreed fight night limit....

kryogen · 20-12-2014 09:20PM

cowzerp wrote: »

no he didn't, scared of needles he is, apart from tatoos

Could have sworn I read that in the end they actually gave in to him on everything, I'll check it out again I suppose.

I have no idea what Mayweather ducked him for so long for (if it does go ahead this time) he was always going to be a heavy favorite (in my eyes) to win it and I would say that as a big Manny fan!

At this point its a bit like the Leonard/Hagler fight to me

kryogen · 20-12-2014 09:22PM

cowzerp wrote: »

no he didn't ha!! thats gas, always lads who were easy to land clean on, and never good counter punchers bar Marquez and we all know how they went

Manny fought what was out there, Morales, Barrera, Cotto, De La Hoya, Margerito etc etc the bigger guys at weights that were widely expected to be too much for him

To say he has been matched with easy fighters is an insult to all concerned and unfair.

zindicato · 22-12-2014 12:31AM

Dont see this fight happening in the near future sad really this would have been a great fight years ago ....... really it isnt the first time floyd has said he wants manny ,,, remembered him saying pacquiao was next after ortiz then he had amnesia about it then got all defensive when asked about it by the press...... to much stuff to consider all of them are floyds demands anyways.....,
1.testing- pacquiao agreed already to everything
2.money split- pacs offered to fight for free for charity
3.show airing- floyd wont fight on hbo just showtime and nowhere else but las vegas ( xyxlocaine use is ok in las vegas)
4.gloves- floyd will probably ask pac to use a thicker gloves like what he did with maldana
5.bob arum- he will come up again as an issue why this fight wont push through
6.date- max kellerman here explains why http://thaboxingvoice.com/max-kellerman-doesnt-think-that-mayweather-pacquiao-will-happen-in-may/37215

Heres ESPN's first take on Pacs response to Floyds May 2 statement http://boxingnewsvideos.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/espn-1st-take-manny-pacquiao-responds.html

zindicato · 22-12-2014 12:35AM

cowzerp wrote: »

Marquez was robbed and either way, Marquez who Mayweather made look like a complete donkey gave Manny awful trouble, and that was by doing what Floyd is the king at, counter punching.

He's the only counter puncher of note Manny faced

Floyd made JMM jump to two divisions for his fight with him and you dont hear people complain about it.:rolleyes:

Henno30 · 22-12-2014 03:31AM

cowzerp wrote: »

Marquez was robbed and either way, Marquez who Mayweather made look like a complete donkey gave Manny awful trouble, and that was by doing what Floyd is the king at, counter punching.

He's the only counter puncher of note Manny faced

Yes, Marquez and Mayweather are the exact same fighter. Well done, you've solved it. Go directly to Ring Magazine and put an end to this debate once and for all.

walshb · 22-12-2014 10:20AM

Henno30 wrote: »

Yes, Marquez and Mayweather are the exact same fighter. Well done, you've solved it. .

Apart from being good counter punchers I see nothing similar. Marquez is an offensive counter puncher who throws a lot more leather than Floyd. Floyd is more a pot shotting defensive counter puncher. Both men IMO present Manny with issues, but Manny we know presented a lot of issues to JMM. I believe he could present issues to Floyd.

Sugar Thief · 22-12-2014 01:44PM

walshb wrote: »

Apart from being good counter punchers I see nothing similar. Marquez is an offensive counter puncher who throws a lot more leather than Floyd. Floyd is more a pot shotting defensive counter puncher. Both men IMO present Manny with issues, but Manny we know presented a lot of issues to JMM. I believe he could present issues to Floyd.

Right now he would present issues, but only because Floyd is starting to show his age.

walshb · 22-12-2014 01:57PM

Sugar Thief wrote: »

Right now he would present issues, but only because Floyd is starting to show his age.

Right now Manny is also showing his age. At any point in the last 4-5 years I think Manny would have presented issues.

Littlehorny · 22-12-2014 09:56PM

Sugar Thief wrote: »

Right now he would present issues, but only because Floyd is starting to show his age.

Pacquaio is well in his thirties as well and has had a much harder career which is a point that should be made. Alot more mileage on Pacquaio's clock, so can't say that as both are past there peak.

Sugar Thief · 23-12-2014 12:08AM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Pacquaio is well in his thirties as well and has had a much harder career which is a point that should be made. Alot more mileage on Pacquaio's clock, so can't say that as both are past there peak.

He's still good enough to cause problems for an over the hill Mayweather.

Talib Fiasco · 29-12-2014 08:21PM

Floyd is really worried about May 2nd. Al Haymon has apparently offered Cotto 40m to drop the proposed Canelo fight and get in the ring with Floyd again. What an absolute joke. First off it'd ruin a massive fight between Canelo/Cotto which has FOTY written all over it already, and especially on May 2nd it'd be a massive event. Secondly Floyd again is ducking not only Pac but Khan now as well by leaning towards Cotto. This'll be a dark day if this fight is made.

walshb · 29-12-2014 08:25PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Floyd is really worried about May 2nd. Al Haymon has apparently offered Cotto 40m to drop the proposed Canelo fight and get in the ring with Floyd again. What an absolute joke. First off it'd ruin a massive fight between Canelo/Cotto which has FOTY written all over it already, and especially on May 2nd it'd be a massive event. Secondly Floyd again is ducking not only Pac but Khan now as well by leaning towards Cotto. This'll be a dark day if this fight is made.

And, at what weight? Cotto can still make 154 lbs I would say, considering he was 155 lbs for Martinez. Floyd might not be all that keen on Cotto this time around. Although he beat him, Cotto presented a lot of problems for him, and with Roach with him maybe it won't be such a sure thing this time.

Talib Fiasco · 29-12-2014 08:47PM

walshb wrote: »

And, at what weight? Cotto can still make 154 lbs I would say, considering he was 155 lbs for Martinez. Floyd might not be all that keen on Cotto this time around. Although he beat him, Cotto presented a lot of problems for him, and with Roach with him maybe it won't be such a sure thing this time.

Knowing Floyd it'll be at a catchweight for Cotto's MW belts...that'd make me sick. Cotto can pose problems for sure, he showed that in the first fight but I still don't think he has it in him for 12 rounds. But yeah he has arguably as good a chance now considering Roach and Mayweather's slight decline....regardless I'll be extremely pissed off if it happens

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