Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Flem31 · 19-12-2014 06:34PM

Does anyone know how many SSC are there in Ireland ?
....just wondering how many more marriages do we need to plan for when this passes

floggg · 19-12-2014 06:46PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Does anyone know how many SSC are there in Ireland ?
....just wondering how many more marriages do we need to plan for when this passes

Don't worry, you're not invited to mine

darkpagandeath · 19-12-2014 06:51PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You want to ban the lgbt forum?

Replace gay with mens in that list and see how much outrage you would get.... Just making a point.

jobbridge4life · 19-12-2014 06:52PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Replace gay with mens in that list and see how much outrage you would get.... Just making a point.

A fairly redundant one. Considering there is the Gentlemans Club...

floggg · 19-12-2014 06:55PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Replace gay with mens in that list and see how much outrage you would get.... Just making a point.

There are also many straight participants in that forum.

endacl · 19-12-2014 07:00PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Does anyone know how many SSC are there in Ireland ?
....just wondering how many more marriages do we need to plan for when this passes

And you know what difference the existence of those couples, married or unmarried, makes to your life?

Exactly the same as your posts have added to the discourse.

Flem31 · 19-12-2014 07:01PM

floggg wrote: »

Don't worry, you're not invited to mine

Who's discriminating now ?

AboutaWeekAgo · 19-12-2014 07:02PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Does anyone know how many SSC are there in Ireland ?
....just wondering how many more marriages do we need to plan for when this passes

Are you planning on going to every wedding in the country or something? :pac:

Flem31 · 19-12-2014 07:02PM

endacl wrote: »

And you know what difference the existence of those couples, married or unmarried, makes to your life?

Exactly the same as your posts have added to the discourse.

It was only a question

One eyed Jack · 19-12-2014 07:02PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Replace gay with mens in that list and see how much outrage you would get.... Just making a point.

jobbridge4life wrote: »

A fairly redundant one. Considering there is the Gentlemans Club...

floggg wrote: »

There are also many straight participants in that forum.

I don't think that's what dpd meant lads, I think they meant -

Deleted User wrote: »

I will vote because its the right thing to do. But i would also happily vote on banning anything classed as

mens March
mens games
mens computer game conventions
mens this
mens that

Lets start working on one big community of men and straight people. Stop the segregation.

It's easy to miss the point though when it has damn all to do with the thread!

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:06PM

Flem31 wrote: »

Who's discriminating now ?

Sorry. I guess I'm uglyphobic :pac::pac:

Joke

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:10PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don't think that's what dpd meant lads, I think they meant -

It's easy to miss the point though when it has damn all to do with the thread!

Like the Toys for Boys show then?

handlemaster · 19-12-2014 07:15PM

I think everyone should have an equal opportunity to be miserable.

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:19PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's at least the third time that joke has been posted in this thread and I still laugh to myself every time

I still find it about as funny* as the first time it was used in a thread on marriage equality, and the 2,567 times its been used since.

*

Which is not very

handlemaster · 19-12-2014 07:22PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's at least the third time that joke has been posted in this thread and I still laugh to myself every time

I think its one of those jokes most people can relate to or have a very understanding of which makes it more real

handlemaster · 19-12-2014 07:24PM

floggg wrote: »

I still find it about as funny* as the first time it was used in a thread on marriage equality, and the 2,567 times its been used since.

*
Which is not very

Your into the marriage threads so.

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:25PM

handlemaster wrote: »

Your into the marriage threads so.

I tend to have a vested interest in threads debating my right to equality.

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:26PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I admittedly have an awful, awful sense of humour :pac:

And a pretty bleak view of married life it seems...

MrJones1973 · 19-12-2014 07:31PM

endacl wrote: »

Of course it affects you. You live in a country where a substantial proportion of the population is denied the perfectly reasonable right to have their commitment to a partner recognised in law. This referendum could change that, and you would be living in a country that, in this regard at least, respected all of its citizens equally. That is important, and as an Irish adult with a vote, you have a duty to consider the question in a referendum of what sort of society you wish to live in.

In past times, a vote to extend suffrage to women would not have 'affected' me. But it would have affected many I care
about, and the wider society we all live in.

Wise up.

Im always nervous to comment on anything on this question as the liberal mob tend to go OTT and deny others the right to have alternative views by bullying them off sites. Gay partnerships are regonised already in law. Marriage is primarily about a stable union for procreating children. We have undermined marriage as it is with negative consequences for men in particular. Men cant win in court when it comes to custody.

Lets work out a system that supports all unions first. That supports monogamy and giving kids stability. I have met too many single mothers with sons out of control -with no father and no money. Second lets come up with a way to raise children in unions that are supported by the state and are geared towards stability.We havent even come up with laws to deal with surrogacy yet! Lastly-I have met many Gay people who dont want this-monogamy and gay men are hardly close relatives!
Now-let the **** fly!!

Im not against divorce. Im not a throwback but I would like a proper debate about family life in Ireland

floggg · 19-12-2014 07:44PM

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Im always nervous to comment on anything on this question as the liberal mob tend to go OTT and deny others the right to have alternative views by bullying them off sites. Gay partnerships are regonised already in law. Marriage is primarily about a stable union for procreating children. We have undermined marriage as it is with negative consequences for men in particular. Men cant win in court when it comes to custody.

Lets work out a system that supports all unions first. That supports monogamy and giving kids stability. I have met too many single mothers with sons out of control -with no father and no money. Second lets come up with a way to raise children in unions that are supported by the state and are geared towards stability.We havent even come up with laws to deal with surrogacy yet! Lastly-I have met many Gay people who dont want this-monogamy and gay men are hardly close relatives!
Now-let the **** fly!!

Im not against divorce. Im not a throwback but I would like a proper debate about family life in Ireland

Again

floggg wrote:

On your point about the purposes of marriage, can I ask how my marriage to a man might affect the supposed purposes in any way.

Can I also ask how you reconcile uour view of marriage as the primary means for procreation with the following:

- the ability of the infertile or elderly to marry;

- the fact that the state recognises all marriage equally, whether or not children are born

- the fact that the states permits the use of contraception, giving married couples the choice as to whether or not they have children

- the prevalence of unmarried couples who choose to have kids

- the prevalence of single parents

- the fact that the state gives equal support to single, married and unmarried parents

From the above examples of how the state views the issue, it clearly doesn't see the purpose of marriage as being simply child bearing. It recognises that marriage is a good and beneficial thing regardless of whether or not children are produced. The state also recognises and protect unmarried families in the same way.

It should also be clear that society doesn't see marriage as being the way children are to be produced and we embrace all forms of families these days.

Can I ask you to have a think about those various points, and see whether it makes any difference to your view that regarding marriage equality or whether there is any fundamental difference between a same sex couples and a straight couple who choose not to have children.

Do you think allowing same sex couples marry would discourage straight compels marrying? Why?

And wouldnt that say more about the straight couple involved than any same sex couple. Should a straight couple with such a view be encouraged to marry in the first place - they hardly have the best attitude about the nature of the commitment.

Lastly, if children are your concern, have yiu considered the benefits that marriage would bring for the biological children of same sex couples (either from a previous relationship or born through surrogacy, adopted etc.).

By allowing same sex couples full marriage equality, we would be giving the non-biological parent legal and enforceable rights and obligations to support, inheritance, guardianship, custody etc. That must undoubtedly be to the benefit of those children (of which there are many) - particularly where something happens to their biologic parent.

Does any of that change your mind?

What other concerns do you have?

Edit - I missed your lazy generalisation about gay men.

In any event though, research shows that lesbian couple are better at monogamy than heterosexual couples, so by that logic they should be the only ones who marry.

a person. · 19-12-2014 07:49PM

Can people vote no in referendums ? Irish governments don't like that.

AboutaWeekAgo · 19-12-2014 07:51PM

a person. wrote: »

Can people vote no in referendums ? Irish governments don't like that.

They voted no in the most recent one to abolish the Seanad, so yes they can.

Billy86 · 19-12-2014 07:52PM

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

monogamy and gay men are hardly close relatives!

Oh FFS... :rolleyes: and all black people love chicken and watermelon while Jews obsess over money every waking moment of their lives.

Tin Foil Hat · 19-12-2014 07:53PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No

That rule for balance is only in the 30 days beforehand

VinLieger wrote: »

Tell that to the BAI and Ray McIntyre Irelands most recently appointed thought police

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1120/661008-bai-complaints/

Derek Mooney got his wrists slapped as well.
http://www.thejournal.ie/bai-complaint-same-sex-marriage-mooney-show-1620082-Aug2014/

MrJones1973 · 19-12-2014 08:14PM

Hmm
The vast majority of people enter marriage to procreate children-plucking out tiny minority cases doesnt change that fact or the reason why it exists. Of course people have children outside marriage but marriage is still far and away the major set up for people to have kids. Perhaps we have evolved to a different place or are evolving but lets at least have a discussion about the best union model for children to be reared and then talk about how we should support it.
Surely children should come first?
As for surrocacy-Germany has banned it. Its an ethical and moral landmine . Lets not conflate it with gay marriage alone. Its a separate issue that needs to be addressed quickly.
As for Gay men with children? Lets work out first how all children should get equal access to both parents as a fundamental right no matter what their sexuality is. Getting gay Dad to marry Gay partner wont change that! At present 95% of men lose custody battles.

Gay men are not known for their monogamy fact. I would love to hear this one denied from someone who is gay . As for black people(as you call them) and fried chcken-I cant comment

The liberal agenda has sold many a man a pup in terms of divorce/custody lets not add to the mess. We are a great country for handing out rights only for the receiver to realize they amount to a hill of beans.
Divorce is highly relevant to a debate that concerns marriage!

BTW-Im being a bit of a devil's advocate here. Im open to changing my mind

Egginacup · 19-12-2014 08:22PM

While I agree for the most part that a referendum should be held to alter the Irish constitution (as if a set of mandates was carved in granite!) if there is to be a vote to legalise something that affects a minority of the country and which brings happiness and harmony then my recommendation would be that same sex marriage be established, recognised and respected.

The simple basic right of people to marry is not negotiable and hence in my opinion there should be a referendum calling only on those opposed. Why should people have to march to a place and tick a box to demonstrate their approval or acceptance of something?

Would anyone have a problem with having to march to some place and vote as to whether or not a black lad can kiss a white girl (or boy)?

It wasn't so long ago that in this country if a man fell head over heals in love with a woman who wasn't Catholic.....his family, village, NAY COUNTY was FCUKED.....and that's just from people who believe in ghosts

mikeym · 19-12-2014 08:23PM

Yes I vote on everything.

And I cant wait for the next general election.

PopePalpatine · 19-12-2014 08:23PM

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Im always nervous to comment on anything on this question as the liberal mob tend to go OTT and deny others the right to have alternative views by bullying them off sites. Gay partnerships are regonised already in law. Marriage is primarily about a stable union for procreating children. We have undermined marriage as it is with negative consequences for men in particular. Men cant win in court when it comes to custody.

Lets work out a system that supports all unions first. That supports monogamy and giving kids stability. I have met too many single mothers with sons out of control -with no father and no money. Second lets come up with a way to raise children in unions that are supported by the state and are geared towards stability.We havent even come up with laws to deal with surrogacy yet! Lastly-I have met many Gay people who dont want this-monogamy and gay men are hardly close relatives!
Now-let the **** fly!!

Im not against divorce. Im not a throwback but I would like a proper debate about family life in Ireland

Stop bringing shame onto the name "Mr. White", you're ruining Breaking Bad for me! :mad:

Billy86 · 19-12-2014 08:26PM

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Hmm
The vast majority of people enter marriage to procreate children-plucking out tiny minority cases doesnt change that fact or the reason why it exists.

Of course people have children outside marriage but marriage is still far and away the major set up for people to have kids. Perhaps we have evolved to a different place or are evolving but lets at least have a discussion about the best union model for children to be reared and then talk about how we should support it.
Surely children should come first?
As for surrocacy-Germany has banned it. Its an ethical and moral landmine . Lets not conflate it with gay marriage alone. Its a separate issue that needs to be addressed quickly.
As for Gay men with children? Lets work out first how all children should get equal access to both parents as a fundamental right no matter what their sexuality is. Getting gay Dad to marry Gay partner wont change that! At present 95% of men lose custody battles.

Marriage wasn't created for procreation, a fact which has been pointed out over and over and over and over again throughout this thread.

This thread is about same sex marriage, not same sex adoption or surrogacy.

Gay men are not known for their monogamy fact. As for black people(as you call them) and fried chcken-I cant comment

I'm assuming you have sources for this?

The liberal agenda has sold many a man a pup in terms of divorce/custody lets not add to the mess. We are a great country for handing out rights only for the receiver to realize they amount to a hill of beans.
Divorce is highly relevant to a debate that concerns marriage!

Sure divorce has it's issues by nature and I generally agree about men getting the short end of the stick in a number of ways in relation to it, but I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion of men marrying men and women marrying women?

MrJones1973 · 19-12-2014 08:33PM

It doesnt really matter about the origins of marriage-it matters what it is now.

We have atomized our society.We are breaking down our communities until we become a paler version of the UK where family life is dying.
We need to keep kids front and centre in this debate.
Throwing out a right is what we are great at-we just dont want to deal with any responsibilities when it comes to kids or each other.
I still have an open mind on this.

Extending a broken set up wont make the set up better. Presumably most gay men getting married have children in mind too or are open to it?

Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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