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Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

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  • #932
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Flem31 wrote: »
    Why is not having a definitive view on this 5 months before the key date, such a big issue.
    Do I have to make up my mind today....based on no knowledge of the proposal that has yet to be drafted ?. I have given absolutely no thought as to what I think it should look like or what should be in it or not in it.


    I am prepared to wait.......and I think you should give me the courtesy of respecting my rights as an adult and allow me to make my own mind up.
    After all, is this referendum not about people's rights or are my rights dependant on other factors now

    You don't have to make a decision straight away but considering its likely to be quite a black or white proposal no matter how the no side wishes to spin it, if you are waiting to make a decision due to not having read the language yet I would assume you have a specific reason or worry for doing so.

    Also where did I question your rights? you are being incredibly defensive over a simple hypothetical question.


  • #933
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    I said early in this long thread that, despite being a 'yes' voter I think that the motion will be defeated.

    Having read much of it, I'm convinced it will be a 'No'.
    I've put €10 on it with PPower.

    This will be a bloodbath of a campaign.


  • #934
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    I said early in this long thread that, despite being a 'yes' voter I think that the motion will be defeated.

    Having read much of it, I'm convinced it will be a 'No'.
    I've put €10 on it with PPower.

    This will be a bloodbath of a campaign.

    I agree its very likely gonna be a horrible campaign reminiscent of the disgusting scenes during the abortion referendum however I am still optimistic that equality will trump ignorance and fear, my worry is some portion of the population treating it as an anti government vote.


  • #935
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    VinLieger wrote: »
    You don't have to make a decision straight away but

    You pretend to respect my rights but....let the matter rest


  • #936
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Flem31 wrote: »
    You pretend to respect my rights but....let the matter rest

    Im not allowed ask you question's at all now? Is that infringing on your rights somehow?

    Again your acting incredibly defensive over simple hypotheticals

    Also that BUT you seem so offended by was simply explaining why I asked the question so calm down a bit


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  • #937
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,367 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Flem31 wrote: »
    Or I could just wait until the draft

    Certainly an option :)


  • #938
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Having read much of it, I'm convinced it will be a 'No'.
    I've put €10 on it with PPower.

    Had a look there, 11/2 for a No. Hmm, anyways I don't think you'll be seeing that tenner again!


  • #939
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Im not allowed ask you question's at all now? Is that infringing on your rights somehow?

    Again your acting incredibly defensive over simple hypotheticals

    Also that BUT you seem so offended by was simply explaining why I asked the question so calm down a bit


    How is it being defensive...I wish to wait until the draft but you seem reluctant to accept that ?

    If I should choose to not discuss a topic at this time......is this dependant on whether you accept ?


  • #940
    frag420
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    A question if you will for those voting no to Same Sex Marriage......Ive kept it very simplistic so there should be no confusion here.

    Imagine a situation where you have two gentlemen living next door or two ladies. You get on well with them, you know they are homosexual, you know they are happy together. Then one day you find out that they got married while on holidays (in a forward thinking country that allows SSM)........

    Would you stop talking to them? Would this disgust you?

    What I am getting at is this.......if two people who love one another, are committed to one another want to get married and spend the rest of their life together, how in any way at all does this effect you? Does it effect your marriage or how happy you are? Or does it effect your ability to go about your daily life? Ask yourself this, will two people of the same sex getting married to one another have ANY effect at all on you?

    If the NO voters would be so kind as to list out how this will effect them then I and the rest of the YES voters are all interested in hearing this.....

    frAg


  • #941
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I took his point more to be that in an ideal world we wouldn't need such events and that they would seem ludicrous for the simple reason that homosexuality would be such a normal part of society that it would seem as bizarre as having events based on your love of cheese and onion crisps. I could be wrong though. I also see the point made regarding St. Patricks day. Perspectives are interesting :)

    I think from other threads he sees LGBT organisations (or some of them) as being segregationists - which doesnt really add up when you consider the great progress made since the seventies thanks to those said same organisations.


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  • #942
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Do people who disagree have the right to vote no in a free and unhindered manner ?
    Or should they not be arrested or at least intimidated afterwards for homophobia ?
    Will there by any way to find out there votes ?


  • #943
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    masti123 wrote: »
    Oh, but I have recreated my thought process, my friend has, and many ppl around me have been slowly recreating said thought process, it is indeed possible, just not likely unless you understand it all

    Using weed or acid?


  • #944
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    frag420 wrote: »
    A question if you will for those voting no to Same Sex Marriage......Ive kept it very simplistic so there should be no confusion here.

    Imagine a situation where you have two gentlemen living next door or two ladies. You get on well with them, you know they are homosexual, you know they are happy together. Then one day you find out that they got married while on holidays (in a forward thinking country that allows SSM)........

    Would you stop talking to them? Would this disgust you?

    What I am getting at is this.......if two people who love one another, are committed to one another want to get married and spend the rest of their life together, how in any way at all does this effect you? Does it effect your marriage or how happy you are? Or does it effect your ability to go about your daily life? Ask yourself this, will two people of the same sex getting married to one another have ANY effect at all on you?

    If the NO voters would be so kind as to list out how this will effect them then I and the rest of the YES voters are all interested in hearing this.....

    frAg

    it'll affect them in the say way that there is a FF voter next door to me and a FG voter as well.


  • #945
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Of course. People also have the right to ask them why they would do such a thing though.

    This doesn't apply in other votes, a vote was private
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, the winning vote will be made clear after the polling :pac:

    So the no voters identities can be revealed, and they can then suffer the consequences of their vote ?


  • #946
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    a person. wrote: »
    Do people who disagree have the right to vote no in a free and unhindered manner ?
    Or should they not be arrested or at least intimidated afterwards for homophobia ?
    Will there by any way to find out there votes ?

    Yes. Absolutely. Hysteria is the way to go. Fabulous post, and an excellent point made. Pitchforks in pink only please.0


  • #947
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    masti123 wrote: »
    Oh, but I have recreated my thought process, my friend has, and many ppl around me have been slowly recreating said thought process, it is indeed possible, just not likely unless you understand it all

    This sounds like a pitch for curing gay through scientology.


  • #948
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    endacl wrote: »
    Yes. Absolutely. Hysteria is the way to go. Fabulous post, and an excellent point made. Pitchforks in pink only please.0

    It was definitely worth joining just to post that.
    I do hope this is their first account. What a way to introduce yourself that would be.


  • #949
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,169 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Flem31 wrote: »
    How is it being defensive...I wish to wait until the draft but you seem reluctant to accept that ?

    If I should choose to not discuss a topic at this time......is this dependant on whether you accept ?

    Well your still posting in a thread specifically about the topic which you don't want to talk about so that's slightly confusing I have to say.

    Im referring to you being defensive by accusing me of all kinds of thing while I was just posing hypothetical question's to you. If you truly didn't want to engage in discussion on this topic anymore you wouldn't continue replying.


  • #950
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

    No, of course not, that's absurd.

    why should their homophobia and vote be tolerated then ?


  • #951
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    floggg wrote: »
    It was definitely worth joining just to post that.
    I do hope this is their first account. What a way to introduce yourself that would be.

    Hey. The keyboard farts what the keyboard farts.

    Who are we to judge?


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  • #952
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It is private if someone wants it to be. If you feel so strongly about this matter perhaps you shouldn't be posting in a thread asking people about voting?

    why ?
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, a list is to be sent out to the gay lobby so we can hunt them all down and make them suffer the consequences.

    Agree


  • #953
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You could literally put forward a more coherent argument by smashing your face on the keyboard.

    smash their face ?


  • #954
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You could literally put forward a more coherent argument by smashing your face on the keyboard.

    smash their face ? not sure about that one


  • #955
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    tayto lover wrote: »
    No. I was talking about traditional marriage as we know it in Ireland, between a man and a woman.
    12 year olds getting married is not traditional.
    Rape even within marriage is not traditional.
    Women leaving work was only happening within the Civil Service afaik.

    It is also traditional within the Travelling community for girls to wed young i.e. 16/17 years but not traditional within the country as a whole.

    And I am pointing out that marriage as an institution is always evolving and changing so this idea of 1 traditional static form of marriage is a myth.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #956
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It is private if someone wants it to be. If you feel so strongly about this matter perhaps you shouldn't be posting in a thread asking people about voting?




    Yes, a list is to be sent out to the gay lobby so we can hunt them all down and make them suffer the consequences. Whatever the ever loving fuck that means.

    We'll force feed them rainbow wedding cake and make them sing "here comes the groom". Muahahahahahahaha


  • #957
    masti123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭masti123


    floggg wrote: »
    Using weed or acid?

    LSD


  • #958
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    tayto lover wrote: »
    One man's valid reason is another man's discrimination though. That's why we need proper debate even if what they say, if genuinely felt, disturbs us.
    Hate speech isn't proper debate.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #959
    a person.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭a person.


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Hate speech isn't proper debate.

    that's homophobic


  • #960
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Well your still posting in a thread specifically about the topic which you don't want to talk about so that's slightly confusing I have to say.

    Im referring to you being defensive by accusing me of all kinds of thing while I was just posing hypothetical question's to you. If you truly didn't want to engage in discussion on this topic anymore you wouldn't continue replying.

    Lucky for us all, your hypothetical questions are not the only thing on this thread and anyone can choose to ignore them if they so wish :)


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  • #961
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I will vote because its the right thing to do. But i would also happily vote on banning anything classed as

    Gay March
    Gay games
    Gay computer game conventions
    Gay this
    Gay that

    Lets start working on one big community of gay and straight people. Stop the segregation.

    You want to ban the lgbt forum?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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