Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

Deenie123 · 18-12-2014 12:06AM #1

Just saw this on the Journal...

http://www.thejournal.ie/hit-and-run-6-year-old-girl-1841378-Dec2014/

A 6-YEAR-OLD girl has been hit in a hit-and-run in Dublin tonight.
The girl has been taken to Temple Street Children’s Hospital where her condition is described as serious.
It happened on the Malahide Road, Coolock at around 7:45pm.
A dark coloured van hit the child at the pedestrian crossing on the inbound lane city side of the Darndale roundabout.
The van which has been described as old and dark coloured -possibly green- continued driving towards the city.
Gardai in Coolock are investigating and are appealing for witnesses to come forward.
If anyone has any information they are being asked to contact the Gardai in Coolock on 01 6664200, the Garda Confidential Line on 1800 666 111 or any Garda station.

Also has a comment on it saying:

Was witness to this and assisted the girl, her mother & brother. Driver was a young male driving a green car/van like a post van… Drove with the girl on the bonnet for 10 to 15 metres, stopped and then drove over her before heading down the Malahide Road towards the Odeon ..

If that comment is true I hope the driver is identified and receives a fate worse than death. I can't get my head around how anyone can do that to such a small child. Disgusting.

Yet... I have a suspicion that the driver - if located - will be found to be from one protected minority or another, or has had a hard childhood, so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box and give them a slap on the wrist.

Damien360 · 18-12-2014 12:08AM

Deenie123 wrote: »

Yet... I have a suspicion that the driver - if located - will be found to be from one protected minority or another, or has had a hard childhood, so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box and give them a slap on the wrist.

Drunk driver perhaps ? Could be from any class of individual, poor or wealthy

pebbles21 · 18-12-2014 12:09AM

Damien360 wrote: »

Drunk driver perhaps ? Could be from any class of individual, poor or wealthy

But a scumbag all the same!

antodeco · 18-12-2014 12:11AM

Poor kid. She will be traumatised from that for a long time. Hopefully they catch him. A good few cameras down along that route anyway.

AlanS181824 · 18-12-2014 12:12AM

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did it is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Deenie123 · 18-12-2014 12:15AM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did if is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

I suppose that's the point, though. You can kill someone on the roads and walk free, not spend a night in jail. There'll be some excuse. Some reason to let the fcuker walk.

Paco Rodriguez · 18-12-2014 12:19AM

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

anncoates · 18-12-2014 12:19AM

Deenie123 wrote: »

so a judge will get them to put money in the poor box

You think that somebody found guilty of what was described in the OP will get away with the probation act?

Cantremember · 18-12-2014 12:27AM

anncoates wrote: »

You think that somebody found guilty of what was described in the OP will get away with the probation act?

Probably Won't even get go court due to publication of witness statement on journal and boards prejudicing a fair trial.

cassid · 18-12-2014 12:41AM

Its a very busy roundabout and the traffic lights are almost on top heading towards the city centre. There is an exit from the Industrial centre & shopping centre just before the lights.

I hope the wee little thing is ok.

I was driving home from work today picking up the kids from the creche on a busy Dublin road down by Clontarf, this guy was right up my back side and then he pulls out and over takes 4 cars and barely made it back in lane, all to make a few metres. I don't know how he ever got a licence.

vicwatson · 18-12-2014 12:44AM

Damn traffic cams don't record :mad:

MarkAnthony · 18-12-2014 12:47AM

Anyone who thinks a Judge is going to go lightly on a hit and run, especially if he did run over the girl is sadly out of touch with reality.

I'll be willing to bet real money on the driver being drunk or drugged.

Luckily the lads at the 'Joy will be as outraged as most here and ensure he (assuming a he) gets a warm welcome.

MarkAnthony · 18-12-2014 12:50AM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

Not a chance they would work in Ireland. Many drivers can't work out filters.

What's needed is a change in traffic light sequence so that the delay from the opposing junction is removed and camera set up to catch people jumping red lights.

Birneybau · 18-12-2014 12:50AM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Poor girl, awful thing to happen so close to Christmas.

Hope whoever did it is found and persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Awful thing to happen full stop.

cerastes · 18-12-2014 12:56AM

The description as above is as a car van, like a seat inca or something? thats the description Im gathering from this, how the fcuk someone can drive over even a child and not cause crushing and fatal injuries I dont know, theres hardly any clearance under those, unless its a bigger vehicle, as much as I dont want to sound tough about it typing away, how someone isnt already out looking for this person with revenge in mind I dont know.

MarkAnthony · 18-12-2014 01:00AM

I'm sorry I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, cases are rarely simple, even the most heinous of crimes usually have some element that can lead one to have some understanding for the perpetrator. In cases like this though it'd be a medal I'd want to give someone who chased them down pulled them out of the car and gave them a good hiding before handing them over to the guards.

Venus In Furs · 18-12-2014 01:04AM

To be honest, I'd assume it's often the case in hit-and-runs that the driver goes into shock and just continues driving - spur of the moment thing; it's the kind of thing that is highly likely to cause someone to go into a daze/be overwhelmed by fear. The test is whether they come back once they come to their senses IMO.

But in this case - if it's true he continued driving with the child on the bonnet of his car...? "Maniac" is the word that springs to mind.

cerastes · 18-12-2014 02:19AM

Venus In Furs wrote: »

To be honest, I'd assume it's often the case in hit-and-runs that the driver goes into shock and just continues driving - spur of the moment thing; it's the kind of thing that is highly likely to cause someone to go into a daze/be overwhelmed by fear. The test is whether they come back once they come to their senses IMO.

But in this case - if it's true he continued driving with the child on the bonnet of his car...? "Maniac" is the word that springs to mind.

Who said it was a he? it probably was, maybe?
Ive heard of plenty of women hitting vehicles and driving on, either not giving a toss or thinking it doesnt apply to them or their insurance will be screwed.
Im more inclined to think, either too drunk/tired/stupid to notice care OR more likely self preservation, where either some drink was involved or they were driving recklessly and decided to forge on regardless due to their own beliefs.
I think its self preservation and reckless driving as the former means the driver might have crashed off the road out of being too drunk, either at the point of the incident or further on somewhere, although they may equally have awoken to their driving senses and kept going in an unnoticed way.

So drunk enough to fear getting caught, but sober enough to realise they are ****ed if they stop, turn themselves in a few days later when they have sobered up/had a good talking to by a kindly soul who advised them of the right thing to do. They say they cacked themself out of shock, kept going, realising they would get a worse book thrown at them for being drunk into the bargain.

Im horrified someone would do this and stunned how the child isnt deceased. Id like to think the person will be strung up, but at worst if even put away, they will be out in no time.
Hopefully the childs injuries arent serious or lasting.

Venus In Furs · 18-12-2014 02:23AM

cerastes wrote: »

Who said it was a he? it probably was, maybe?

As quoted in the opening post:

Was witness to this and assisted the girl, her mother & brother. Driver was a young male driving a green car/van like a post van

cerastes wrote:

Ive heard of plenty of women hitting vehicles and driving on

Yeh of course there have been female drivers who have done the above - who said there hasn't?

Allyall · 18-12-2014 02:32AM

They have cameras along that road, so hopefully it shouldn't take long to catch them, assuming it wasn't robbed.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-12-2014 02:49AM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

Not really relevant unless you can prove the pedestrians were at fault

The continentl system dosn't change anything - if you get hit while crossing at a green light on the continent, the driver is autoamtically in the fault. Doesnt matter whether you looked or not.

Nor does it make things any safer if the driver is just going to drive through the crossing, hit and run.

Paco Rodriguez · 18-12-2014 11:14AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not really relevant unless you can prove the pedestrians were at fault

The continentl system dosn't change anything - if you get hit while crossing at a green light on the continent, the driver is autoamtically in the fault. Doesnt matter whether you looked or not.

Nor does it make things any safer if the driver is just going to drive through the crossing, hit and run.

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

Leeleather · 18-12-2014 11:18AM

Hope she makes a full recovery, that driver should be hanged.Disgusting.

the_monkey · 18-12-2014 11:27AM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I honestly think pedestrian crossings are lethal and should be changed to the European version where cars can continue if nobody is crossing.

Having a green man gives a false sense of security and tunnel vision. People just walk when they see him and looking right and left goes out the window.

The amount of times I see cars driving straight through them, even up to 6 seconds after they have turned red is worrying.

You do that in Ireland and there will be absolute CARNAGE.

Grayson · 18-12-2014 11:33AM

the_monkey wrote: »

You do that in Ireland and there will be absolute CARNAGE.

I'm a pedestrian and in my late 30's. It's a regular occurrence that cars ignore crossings or don't bother indicating. the number of times I've seen a car make a last second turn at full speed without indicating is ridiculous.

Regarding the incident last night, it sounds like he was describing an An Post van like this .

in an RTA like this it's always possible he wasn't to blame. Maybe someone walked out or something. It is however utter scumbaggery that he drove off like that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-12-2014 11:42AM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

Didn't mean to imply that you did. The system as it is works fine. The European system only benefits drivers, neither makes a difference to pedestrians.

Sala · 18-12-2014 12:13PM

Disgusting. Anyone can hit someone accidentally, accidents do happen and people panic, but if the witness is right and he drove over her afterwards that's just so low.

Deenie123 · 18-12-2014 01:47PM

The witness appears to have stated that he is known to be a member of a "completely upstanding law abiding minority that never does anything wrong and have a camp just meters from where this happened" who ran over a cyclist a couple of weeks ago. If that's true, the poor family and girl can kiss goodbye any chance of justice.

MarkAnthony · 18-12-2014 01:51PM

Deenie123 wrote: »

The witness appears to have stated that he is known to be a member of a "completely upstanding law abiding minority that never does anything wrong and have a camp just meters from where this happened" who ran over a cyclist a couple of weeks ago. If that's true, the poor family and girl can kiss goodbye any chance of justice.

Why?

DarkJager · 18-12-2014 01:53PM

Give the girls father 15 minutes in a locked room with this ****ing scumbag when he is caught. **** jail, anybody capable of doing something like this should be put down.

Gongoozler · 18-12-2014 02:13PM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

I'm not talking about blame...I'm just saying what would be safer for pedestrians.

If it was a filter crossing it would teach pedestrians to still look for oncoming traffic, as opposed to just walking when the green man appears.

Of course the driver is at fault, I never said otherwise. On the continent the police will fine you if you cross with a red pedestrian light too.

The very point of the green man is to let pedestrians know it's safe to cross. You shouldn't have to look. Just like drivers shouldn't have to slow down or watch out for pedestrians crossing randomly at undesignated points along the road.

Scum runs over 6 year old and doesn't stop

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