Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

Sofiztikated · 16-12-2014 07:56AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

This sounds like barman humour, to be fair.

Few reasons for this - "Bulmers drinkers" don't really like cider, so another cider is not an option, and there isn't really any "apply alcopops" which would be the nearest to what they are used to.

The difference between can/pint bottle/longneck though, there is none and these people are being weird.

Barman humour - unfortunately no. She was witness to a couple of young wans come in, order a bottle of wine each, and procede to drink/down/snorkel the bottle.

No actual difference, but there is perceived difference. Then again, I'd be the same with CocaCola. Glass bottle>can>1.5L bottle>2 L bottle>500ml bottle.

Hotblack Desiato · 16-12-2014 09:59AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

The difference between can/pint bottle/longneck though, there is none and these people are being weird.

Huge price difference with longnecks to be fair.

Lovely Bloke · 16-12-2014 10:29AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Huge price difference with longnecks to be fair.

I don't think that's why they are complaining, I've been told, in all seriousness, by a Bulmers drinker that the recipe is different for long-necks and pint bottles.

Great username btw.

listermint · 16-12-2014 10:37AM

n97 mini wrote: »

This. Brand loyalty.

If it was as simple as replacing the market leader with an alternative Guinness drinkers would all have switched to cheaper Beamish years ago.

I can't believe that people on here think Heineken drinkers will switch to something not Heineken just because it's cheaper. Some will, the majority will go somewhere else.

Not being funny,

But man. You havent a breeze what you are talking about. Ive been drinking Heineken for about 10 years id say as had all my circle bar one who is a cider drinker (bulmers)

In the last 3 years every single one of my immediate circle (thats about 8 lads) have all changed taste from Heineken to craft beers or stouts. There is one remaining Heineken drinker amongst us. Fact is tastes change and now i would only drink a Heineken if its all the bar actually had.

The quality of the stuff has gone down the pan coupled with taste changes on my pallet. You are off your head if you think Wetherspoons will die out and get stifled by a pint of Heineken being missing behind the bar.

In fact i think its ludicrous for you even to suggest it.

oblivious · 16-12-2014 10:41AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

, I've been told, in all seriousness, by a Bulmers drinker that the recipe is different for long-necks and pint bottles.

Surly it's just apple juice and time

n97 mini · 16-12-2014 10:58AM

listermint wrote: »

In the last 3 years every single one of my immediate circle (thats about 8 lads) have all changed taste from Heineken to craft beers or stouts. There is one remaining Heineken drinker amongst us. Fact is tastes change and now i would only drink a Heineken if its all the bar actually had.

What you're actually saying is that you're all now ex-Heineken drinkers. I'm talking about Heineken drinkers and brand loyalty.

listermint wrote: »

You are off your head if you think Wetherspoons will die out

You said that, I didn't.

listermint · 16-12-2014 11:02AM

n97 mini wrote: »

What you're actually saying is that you're all now ex-Heineken drinkers. I'm talking about Heineken drinkers and brand loyalty.

You said that, I didn't.

You obviously ignored everything i wrote.

There is no such thing as a 'heineken drinker'

Tastes change.

You need a reality check if you believe there is a brand loyalty there

A large reality check, because it doesnt exist.

Oh and you said they would stifle because of 'supply' heineken being one of the biggest problems.......

Its simply not going to happen that way. If you have money please dont gamble on what you are saying.

n97 mini · 16-12-2014 11:05AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I don't think that's why they are complaining, I've been told, in all seriousness, by a Bulmers drinker that the recipe is different for long-necks and pint bottles.

I've been told there's more in a pint bottle than there is in a pint of draught.

When questioned about pints being different sizes it transpired that the basis for this analysis is that a pint bottle won't all fit in a glass. Of course the volume taken up by the ice hadn't been factored into the equation.

irish_goat · 16-12-2014 11:09AM

n97 mini wrote: »

I've been told there's more in a pint bottle than there is in a pint of draught.

When questioned about pints being different sizes it transpired that the basis for this analysis is that a pint bottle won't all fit in a glass. Of course the volume taken up by the ice hadn't been factored into the equation.

A pint bottle is 568ml, a pint glass holds exactly 568ml. Aside from the little bit of spillage you normally get from a glass full to the brim, they're the same volume of liquid.

Draught Bulmers doesn't come with ice for that very reason. Because of this, you'll often find a pint bottle lasts longer, as a glass full of ice will melt and increase the volume of liquid. I think this is one of the reasons the price is higher.

Geuze · 16-12-2014 11:09AM

I've just noticed 640ml and 650ml bottles of Asian beers (brewed in UK??) on the menus.

2.95 each.

That's the equivalent of about 1.50 for a 33cl bottle.

Savage value.

http://www.jdwetherspoon.ie/pdf/ThreeTunTavernDec14.pdf

http://www.jdwetherspoon.ie/pdf/FortyFootDec14.pdf

n97 mini · 16-12-2014 11:17AM

irish_goat wrote: »

A pint bottle is 568ml, a pint glass holds exactly 568ml. Aside from the little bit of spillage you normally get from a glass full to the brim, they're the same volume of liquid.

Draught Bulmers doesn't come with ice for that very reason. Because of this, you'll often find a pint bottle lasts longer, as a glass full of ice will melt and increase the volume of liquid. I think this is one of the reasons the price is higher.

Yes, I know all this!

cormacjones · 16-12-2014 11:28AM

listermint wrote: »

You obviously ignored everything i wrote.

There is no such thing as a 'heineken drinker'

Tastes change.

You need a reality check if you believe there is a brand loyalty there

A large reality check, because it doesnt exist.

Oh and you said they would stifle because of 'supply' heineken being one of the biggest problems.......

Its simply not going to happen that way. If you have money please dont gamble on what you are saying.

Your whole argument against Heineken having no brand loyalty is that you and seven of your mates don't drink it any more.

Heineken spends millions every year trying to create brand loyalty. You should get onto them straight away and tell them they're wasting their time.

I couldn't drink a pint of Heineken,but to suggest that there's no brand loyalty to the most popular draught beer in Ireland is madness.

Lovely Bloke · 16-12-2014 11:44AM

There's brand loyalty in pubs that serve Heino, to be sure, but in a pub that doesn't a fella won't leave because of it, of that I'm sure.

He'll order another lager, make a face, and drink it anyway. Even better if it's cheaper.

cormacjones · 16-12-2014 12:00PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

There's brand loyalty in pubs that serve Heino, to be sure, but in a pub that doesn't a fella won't leave because of it, of that I'm sure.

He'll order another lager, make a face, and drink it anyway. Even better if it's cheaper.

I don't think this is going to make or break JDW in Ireland, but I do think you will get some people deciding not to go there in the first place if there's no Heineken or Guinness available.

bucketybuck · 16-12-2014 12:01PM

n97 mini wrote: »

What you're actually saying is that you're all now ex-Heineken drinkers. I'm talking about Heineken drinkers and brand loyalty.

:cool:

Krusty_Clown · 16-12-2014 12:09PM

cormacjones wrote: »

Your whole argument against Heineken having no brand loyalty is that you and seven of your mates don't drink it any more.

Heineken spends millions every year trying to create brand loyalty. You should get onto them straight away and tell them they're wasting their time.

I couldn't drink a pint of Heineken,but to suggest that there's no brand loyalty to the most popular draught beer in Ireland is madness.

There is most certainly brand loyalty, but we weren't born as Heineken drinkers and it's not a life-long contract. In the days of yore, a punter typically had to choose between: Heineken, Budweiser, Carlsberg, Guinness, Smithwicks and Bulmers (sadly this is still very much the case in many pubs in Ireland). In this environment, with no great price differential (or taste differential among the lagers), marketing budget becomes so much more important as you need some unique selling point to help the punter single out their tipple of choice (in this case image). But when you introduce other new variables (like taste, price), then you're having an entirely different conversation.

I'd imagine that 85% of pubs in Ireland still serve some variant of the above drinks, so Heineken will continue to see strong sales long into the future. Wetherspoons will represent such a small percentage of Irish pub licenses (if they opened 50 pubs, they'd still represent around 0.5% of Irish pub licenses (assuming around 8k pubs)), so just a drop in the ocean, but I'd hazard a guess that most of those 50 pubs would do pretty good business.

listermint · 16-12-2014 12:23PM

cormacjones wrote: »

Your whole argument against Heineken having no brand loyalty is that you and seven of your mates don't drink it any more.

Heineken spends millions every year trying to create brand loyalty. You should get onto them straight away and tell them they're wasting their time.

I couldn't drink a pint of Heineken,but to suggest that there's no brand loyalty to the most popular draught beer in Ireland is madness.

No my whole argument is that Budweiser then Miller had 'loyalty'

Spending millions on being in peoples faces and locking large events into supply of your alcohol does not constitute brand loyalty.

Me and my mates was just a fairly classic example of your perceived Brand Loyalty.

Its popular because its everywhere and in your face. The same can be said for Budweiser 16 years back and Millar 10 years back.

Its cyclical but No i dont believe anyone would be turned off given the choice wasnt available.

Over to you.............

listermint · 16-12-2014 12:24PM

cormacjones wrote: »

I don't think this is going to make or break JDW in Ireland, but I do think you will get some people deciding not to go there in the first place if there's no Heineken or Guinness available.

I really cant see that happening, Two reasons.

Price , Food , Choice and new venue.

Of that i am 100% sure.

Irish people are fickle.

L1011 · 16-12-2014 12:27PM

listermint wrote: »

Its popular because its everywhere and in your face. The same can be said for Budweiser 16 years back and Millar 10 years back.

And Harp/Tennants in NI.

If you dig up an old VHS tape of a movie off RTE from the 1980s it was Stag and Furstenberg that were being advertised to the hilt then too. I'm not even sure that Stag exists as-was anymore?

Lovely Bloke · 16-12-2014 12:27PM

I'm pretty sure I'm going to a JDW with a group of people on Saturday night, many of whom will have no idea what to drink.

Will be interesting.

cormacjones · 16-12-2014 12:34PM

listermint wrote: »

I really cant see that happening, Two reasons.

Price , Food , Choice and new venue.

Of that i am 100% sure.

Irish people are fickle.

I wish I had your conviction. Sadly I'm not 100% sure on my side, so I'll concede defeat.

Trond · 16-12-2014 02:01PM

Geuze wrote: »

I've just noticed 640ml and 650ml bottles of Asian beers (brewed in UK??) on the menus.

2.95 each.

That's the equivalent of about 1.50 for a 33cl bottle.

Savage value.

http://www.jdwetherspoon.ie/pdf/ThreeTunTavernDec14.pdf

http://www.jdwetherspoon.ie/pdf/FortyFootDec14.pdf

Wow that's cheap. Unfortunately other than Kirin Ichiban ive not liked many Asian beers. What are them two like?

Wow just noticed Hendricks gin for 3.95. It'll deffo be a taxi from Blackrock

Geuze · 16-12-2014 02:04PM

Trond wrote: »

Wow that's cheap. Unfortunately other than Kirin Ichiban ive not liked many Asian beers. What are them two like?

Wow just noticed Hendricks gin for 3.95. It'll deffo be a taxi from Blackrock

Sorry, don't know much about them, except they seem to often be served in 66cl approx bottles.

Also, note that a mixer for the gin is included in the price.

Plus a double is 2 euro more.

So a double G&T is 5.95

Trond · 16-12-2014 02:10PM

Geuze wrote: »

Sorry, don't know much about them, except they seem to often be served in 66cl approx bottles.

Also, note that a mixer for the gin is included in the price.

Plus a double is 2 euro more.

So a double G&T is 5.95

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

I drunkenly paid €8 euro for single one in both Foleys on Baggot St and Samsara in the last 2 weeks.

Really cant wait for them to open in town now....

Lovely Bloke · 16-12-2014 02:20PM

it's not Cork gin, so it's probably shíte anyway, no wonder it's so cheap.

geosynchronous orbit · 16-12-2014 02:32PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

it's not Cork gin, so it's probably shíte anyway, no wonder it's so cheap.

^^
interesting logic.....

aaaaaannywayy....

so in JDW, I can have a steak and 4 pints for 24.45.
In my local a steak and 4 pints costs - 41.15 (Heiniken btw

discuss?

Lovely Bloke · 16-12-2014 02:43PM

geosynchronous orbit wrote: »

^^
interesting logic.....

aaaaaannywayy....

you've not been reading this thread, have you

geosynchronous orbit wrote: »

so in JDW, I can have a steak and 4 pints for 24.45.
In my local a steak and 4 pints costs - 41.15 (Heiniken btw

discuss?

what's to discuss, food and drink is more reasonably priced in JDW, everyone knows that.

kooga · 16-12-2014 02:47PM

i have had a lot of expeience of wetherspoons in the uk especially on munster away games. We always make it a dcestination cos you can get food and drink.

again no idea what to drink when i get there and we do a dealers choice, that is however has first call calls the round, knowing what your mates drink makes it easy so a mix of lagers and ales.

The most positive thing about the place no loud music and great value!

Blut2 · 16-12-2014 02:49PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

it's not Cork gin, so it's probably shíte anyway, no wonder it's so cheap.

Double Hendricks (generally regarded as being one of the better gins available) and tonic in Wetherspoons: €5.95

Single Hendricks, no mixer, €5.10 in the first Baggot Street pub drinks menu I googled. So a double would be €10.20 + I'd say 3eur for the tonic. More than double the price for the exact same thing...

geosynchronous orbit · 16-12-2014 02:50PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

you've not been reading this thread, have you

sorry, I got confused with all the 5th year 'brand loyalty' bs being spouted throughout the thread.

Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

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