IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

rolexeagle1 · 11-12-2014 03:20PM

More info on the "hit and run"

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/12/11/suv-hit-frame-by-frame/

“It happened on Butt Bridge around 3:15pm. A silver SUV (Landrover?) mounted the footpath from behind the lorry. When it got to one of the 30-odd protester that were slow marching at that junction on the road and path, the SUV, after what looked like a brief start/stop situation, didn’t stop and knocked him over. As that was happening more people realised what was going and went towards the SUV. It then continued through with one person on its bonnet a few meters who was also in its way. He managed to get off with being run over and the jeep left the scene on past the Customs House. The first man was taken away by an ambulance. I don’t think he was hurt too bad but both were definitely very lucky. It could have been really bad.”

shinzon · 11-12-2014 03:20PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Maybe some couldn't get off work?

Why go the opposit direction if they are blocking your way home and the streets surrounding are all blocked with traffic?

How does a person "go around" if their mode of transport (bus/luas) goes via the city center?

As i said already hopefully the guards are better prepared for them next time, a nice heavy police presence with all resources at their disposal should soon deter any of the gob****es from yesterday repeating their stunts.

As I said its a convenience to say you or anyone cant get home and blame it on the protestors, plenty of other routes, everyone knew the march was on, if it was pig headedness just to sit there and bitch and moan its your or anyone elses fault for doing so.

Takes 5 minutes to to wake up and say jaysus theres a march on must go a different way home and plan for it rather then moaning when ye get into the middle of it

Shin

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2014 03:24PM

shinzon wrote: »

As I said its a convenience to say you or anyone cant get home and blame it on the protestors, plenty of other routes, everyone knew the march was on, if it was pig headedness just to sit there and bitch and moan its your or anyone elses fault for doing so.

Oh they didn't inconvenience me for a single second, How does someone who has driven up to the bridge (see taxi driver stuck in his car) as protest starts take a different route? People who were stuck on pearse street for hours when they got caught up?

Takes 5 minutes to to wake up and say jaysus theres a march on must go a different way home and plan for it rather then moaning when ye get into the middle of it

Shin

Again you defend the actions of these lowlifes, as i have said hopefully next time the guards are FULLY prepared for their little stunts.

ronsh2000 · 11-12-2014 03:24PM

zerks wrote: »

If somebody knocked down one of your friends or relations,would you not chase after them?

I mean it's not surprising that they were frightened and were panicked into driving off.

Rubber_Soul · 11-12-2014 03:25PM

FionnK86 wrote: »

Can another private company be set up as competition to Irish Water?

Some would argue that's exactly what should happen. Public retention of the infrastructure, with private firms competing for supply just like Eircom, UPC etc.

Daith · 11-12-2014 03:27PM

shinzon wrote: »

Takes 5 minutes to to wake up and say jaysus theres a march on must go a different way home and plan for it rather then moaning when ye get into the middle of it

When you rely on public transport to get home and it goes through those areas than there's not a whole lot you can do.

Bit rich to be complaining about other people moaning as well.

DamagedTrax · 11-12-2014 03:31PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Pretty sure by definition it still is

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Ireland

touché

but i stand by saying that europe (read: the banking power behind it) is forcing these charges thru. enda & co have just noticed that its a nice little gravy train for them too.

Cantona's Collars · 11-12-2014 03:32PM

FionnK86 wrote: »

Can another private company be set up as competition to Irish Water?

Give it a few years if Enda has his way.

DamagedTrax · 11-12-2014 03:33PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Some would argue that's exactly what should happen. Public retention of the infrastructure, with private firms competing for supply just like Eircom, UPC etc.

unfortunately a lot of people cannot see that a full IW privatisation would be a very different thing to eircom ét all.

which brings up a very valid point. why didnt the government use all this money to upgrade the infrastructure and then let private 'water distribution' companies compete for the rights to sell a resource that remains under our control?

but then again, if that happened we'd have to open another brown envelope tribunal within months!

Cantona's Collars · 11-12-2014 03:35PM

ronsh2000 wrote: »

I mean it's not surprising that they were frightened and were panicked into driving off.

I suppose after mounting a footpath,knocking down one person and driving along with another on the bonnet your first instinct would be to drive off.:rolleyes:

shinzon · 11-12-2014 03:37PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh they didn't inconvenience me for a single second, How does someone who has driven up to the bridge (see taxi driver stuck in his car) as protest starts take a different route? People who were stuck on pearse street for hours when they got caught up?

Again you defend the actions of these lowlifes, as i have said hopefully next time the guards are FULLY prepared for their little stunts.

im defending no lowlifes, ive said since yesterday that I didn't agree with it, but to come on here and say people were inconvenienced and blame it on the protestors when a bit of planning was all that's needed is ridiculous in the extreme

The thousands of people you claim that were inconvenienced knew this was on and for one day whether what happened on the bridge happened or not could not make alternative routes or travel arrangements, the simple answer to that is no

Its just easier to bitch and moan and target the people on the bridge as if they had anything to with the legitimate protest and then tar everyone with the same brush as usual.

In closing there was a March on you don't think ahead and use alternate routes then your going to get stuck and its nobodies fault but your own, fastest way to get from A to B on a protest day use E and F tbh

Shin

DamagedTrax · 11-12-2014 03:38PM

Daith wrote: »

When you rely on public transport to get home and it goes through those areas than there's not a whole lot you can do.

Bit rich to be complaining about other people moaning as well.

i dont know your route so i wont say you're wrong. but i got the number 40 bus after walking 3 bus stops away from the protest area at 5:15 yesterday evening. traffic was rough alright but it normally is at that time anyway.

maybe you got unlucky because of your bus route but it wasnt like that everywhere.

yipeeeee · 11-12-2014 03:39PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

unfortunately a lot of people cannot see that a full IW privatisation would be a very different thing to eircom ét all.

which brings up a very valid point. why didnt the government use all this money to upgrade the infrastructure and then let private 'water distribution' companies compete for the rights to sell a resource that remains under our control?

but then again, if that happened we'd have to open another brown envelope tribunal within months!

Eh cause it would take 200 years at 300km a year to upgrade the water system at a cost of about 30 billion.

Cantona's Collars · 11-12-2014 03:40PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

touché

but i stand by saying that europe (read: the banking power behind it) is forcing these charges thru. enda & co have just noticed that its a nice little gravy train for them too.

According to Europe,we as a country are exempt from introducing water charges,of course Enda & the lads will have us believe this tax was foisted upon us.Is this why the cost of IW is being kept "off balance" so when Europe look at our books they won't notice the massive amounts of money being poured into a bottomless trough with a certain few greedily dipping in.
They use accounting techniques the Mafia would be proud of.

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2014 03:40PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i dont know your route so i wont say you're wrong. but i got the number 40 bus after walking 3 bus stops away from the protest area at 5:15 yesterday evening. traffic was rough alright but it normally is at that time anyway.

maybe you got unlucky because of your bus route but it wasnt like that everywhere.

People posting (even in this thread) that it took 3 or more hours to get home because of it.

Tony EH · 11-12-2014 03:41PM

zerks wrote: »

I suppose after mounting a footpath,knocking down one person and driving along with another on the bonnet your first instinct would be to drive off.:rolleyes:

It doesn't matter what pathetic excuses some of the pro IW circle jerkers make on here. When you flee the scene, it automatically becomes a crime.

DamagedTrax · 11-12-2014 03:41PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Eh cause it would take 200 years at 300km a year to upgrade the water system at a cost of about 30 billion.

so it would take a state owned company 200 years.

how long will it take IW to do the same job?

(genuine question)

shinzon · 11-12-2014 03:42PM

Daith wrote: »

When you rely on public transport to get home and it goes through those areas than there's not a whole lot you can do.

Bit rich to be complaining about other people moaning as well.

Ever hear of a bicycle or god forbid the 2 things under ye called legs I here they can get ye places fairly quickly tbh

Theres ways and means of getting places just people are to busy bitching and moaning about the protestors to plan ahead on the day

Shin

Trond · 11-12-2014 03:42PM

shinzon wrote: »

im defending no lowlifes, ive said since yesterday that I didn't agree with it, but to come on here and say people were inconvenienced and blame it on the protestors when a bit of planning was all that's needed is ridiculous in the extreme

The thousands of people you claim that were inconvenienced knew this was on and for one day whether what happened on the bridge happened or not could not make alternative routes or travel arrangements, the simple answer to that is no

Its just easier to bitch and moan and target the people on the bridge as if they had anything to with the legitimate protest and then tar everyone with the same brush as usual.

In closing there was a March on you don't think ahead and use alternate routes then your going to get stuck and its nobodies fault but your own, fastest way to get from A to B on a protest day use E and F tbh

Shin

Absolute nonsense.

There was no protest planned for O'Connell St Bridge from 3pm to 730pm or Abbey St.

Blocking the Luas was a new low. With all your great "ideas" what do you suggest for people who rely on that mode of transport?

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2014 03:43PM

Trond wrote: »

Absolute nonsense.

There was no protest planned for O'Connell St Bridge from 3pm to 730pm or Abbey St.

Blocking the Luas was a new low. With all your great "ideas" what do you suggest for people who rely on that mode of transport?

Sure can't they walk

That will be his next excuse for defending the lowlifes.

Daith · 11-12-2014 03:44PM

shinzon wrote: »

Ever hear of a bicycle or god forbid the 2 things under ye called legs I here they can get ye places fairly quickly tbh

Theres ways and means of getting places just people are to busy bitching and moaning about the protestors to plan ahead on the day

Shin

And all protesters do is bitch and moan without offering any alternative.

Though are you suggesting people should have bought bikes to get around the protesters on O'Connell street. What nonsense.

11-12-2014 03:44PM

andyman wrote: »

Why do these protests bring out the dregs in society?

People talking absolute bile about the Gardai saying they should be protecting the public and not barricading them.

Then what? Let them waltz into the Dail? Idiots. Complete and utter idiots. They think a protest means they can do whatever they like.

I saw another video of people running at Gardai on O'Connell St and being thrown out of the way. Too fcuking right. Who do these people think they are?

I feel sorry for those who caused no trouble yesterday.

Absolute brain deads, i seen on one of those workers solidarity videos calling them anti-democratic barriers, yeah says the pack of animals that want to storm govt buildings by force.

yipeeeee · 11-12-2014 03:44PM

shinzon wrote: »

Ever hear of a bicycle or god forbid the 2 things under ye called legs I here they can get ye places fairly quickly tbh

Theres ways and means of getting places just people are to busy bitching and moaning about the protestors to plan ahead on the day

Shin

What about commercial vehicles delivering food or clothes in town?

EazyD · 11-12-2014 03:46PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Eh cause it would take 200 years at 300km a year to upgrade the water system at a cost of about 30 billion.

How are you qualified to make that estimation?

Rubber_Soul · 11-12-2014 03:46PM

zerks wrote: »

According to Europe,we as a country are exempt from introducing water charges

That's not as clear cut as you seem to think it is

http://www.philiplee.ie/Libraries/Publications/The_Legal_Case_for_Household_Water_Charges.sflb.ashx

The so-called ‘Irish derogation’ from the requirement to recover the costs of water services is, therefore, conditional upon the ability of the member state to demonstrate that the non-charging for water services does not compromise the purposes and objectives of the Directive. It is accepted that Ireland’s water supply, storage, treatment and related infrastructure is leaking and is no longer fit for purpose. In addition, water quality targets are not being met and may not be met by the 2015 deadline mandated by the Water Framework Directive. While Ireland has recently completed the River Basin District Management Plans required by the Directive, the Plans do not include any detailed analysis or reasons for the non-recovery of the costs of domestic water services. It would appear, therefore, that not only could the objectives and purposes of the Directive be compromised, but Ireland may also be found to have failed to adequately report on the reasons and justification for not applying the principle of cost recovery for water services in the domestic sector.

arse..biscuits · 11-12-2014 03:47PM

chatperche wrote: »

Don't be such a drama queen. Have you ever heard of regulations? If IW were to be privatised they would not be able to change their prices willy nilly, they would need to apply to the regulators and argue their case before they can increase prices. Do you think ESB can move their price up by 50% without applying first to the energy regulator?

Not if, but when it is privatised, it will be privatised with the sole purpose of profit. How often do the CER say no?

have2flushtwice · 11-12-2014 03:50PM

I would appear that the first impact has now rebuked the requirement for pps numbers, and we have a cap on the bills also-which render the meters useless until they decide to charge.

how about a different type of protest - have you no meter yet installed?
Are you metered and it is not being billed as usage?

just turn on the tap and let it flow, let it flow, let it flow!!!!!

for Dublin, the reserves in Roundwood and the reservoir would deplete before too long,(how long? I can't say) but when usage goes up, and the summertime comes, the multinationals will apply their own type of pressure to the government to sort the damn mess out now, or we cant manufacture. then it will be happy ever after.
I used to turn off the tap when brushing my teeth, now I just don't care as I have a meter and no relative bill! doesn't bother me to flush twice either.

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2014 03:52PM

have2flushtwice wrote: »

I would appear that the first impact has now rebuked the requirement for pps numbers, and we have a cap on the bills also-which render the meters useless until they decide to charge.

how about a different type of protest - have you no meter yet installed?
Are you metered and it is not being billed as usage?

just turn on the tap and let it flow, let it flow, let it flow!!!!!

for Dublin, the reserves in Roundwood and the reservoir would deplete before too long,(how long? I can't say) but when usage goes up, and the summertime comes, the multinationals will apply their own type of pressure to the government to sort the damn mess out now, or we cant manufacture. then it will be happy ever after.
I used to turn off the tap when brushing my teeth, now I just don't care as I have a meter and no relative bill! doesn't bother me to flush twice either.

And it's because of idiotic behavior like this (see leaving taps running overnight in winter) that people SHOULD be metered for the water they use.

have2flushtwice · 11-12-2014 03:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it's because of idiotic behavior like this (see leaving taps running overnight in winter) that people SHOULD be metered for the water they use.

its my way of protesting - I protest to make myself heard. when I'm heard I will stop my protest - and turn off the outside tap. until then....:)

hmmm · 11-12-2014 03:56PM

shinzon wrote: »

Ever hear of a bicycle or god forbid the 2 things under ye called legs I here they can get ye places fairly quickly tbh

Theres ways and means of getting places just people are to busy bitching and moaning about the protestors to plan ahead on the day

We can only apologise if those of us who were at work all day got in the way of your protest. We're very sorry.

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