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Bed-sits to make a come back

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    A simple solution to a complex problem....that won't work

    There's bedsits and bedsits - I remember a couple of the kips I stayed in, and heard stories of worse -
    I've also been in some really classy ones (a few years back) - yes there's many out there that need upgrading- but bringing SOME of them back into the rental market would help take heat out of the rental market-

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    crusher000 wrote: »
    Lived in them when I was a student many years ago. Where anything but luxurious but served there purpose and were affordable. Again regulation will have to come into it and this will add to their cost.

    I was in one where there were no legs on the bed so the landlord had one end raised with concrete blocks and the bed slanted down. I understand that Jimmy Saville was buried in that manner. The cooker was in a press and we shared a bathroom with six others. Ah the good old days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    A friend of mine here in Berlin has an old flat with a shower cubicle in his kitchen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭jamesbondings


    The problem is balancing them between absolute ****holes vs cost. Need enough standards to make the livable but too many leads to rising prices.

    Seeing the prices some really terrible places go for Im not expecting much.

    Lived in one for 6 years and will likely be going back to one next year, i really think its what you make of them. Mine was a hole, bit of paint and a few shelves, some space saving ideas can really make it nice. I paid 70 a week and i regarded it very nice and would have happily paid up to 110 a week after i had done the work. (granted only if it was like that when i moved it!)

    Maybe it also helps that i had a bang on landlord too! now while it took hiim ages to get the finger out if something needed doing, if i did it he would sort me out for it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Does anyone ever consider asking the actual homeless what they want.
    I'm sure many are capable of vocalising their needs and would be a damn sight better at explaining what this country needsto do regarding the homeless problem, not some well meaning but completely ignorant politician.

    Bedsits aren't the answer especially if they are owned and run by the same questionable landlords that control most if the rental market in our cities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Does anyone ever consider asking the actual homeless what they want.
    I'm sure many are capable of vocalising their needs and would be a damn sight better at explaining what this country needsto do regarding the homeless problem, not some well meaning but completely ignorant politician.

    Bedsits aren't the answer especially if they are owned and run by the same questionable landlords that control most if the rental market in our cities.


    The government arent going to run them. Not all Landlords are bad or questionable same as tenants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    coming soon , bedsits for €1500 a month in dublin , it might somewhat address supply, but at a price.

    Also on the homeless side. Id be interested to know how many homeless people there are in dublin who don't have a drink and/or drug problem. It seems to me dublin has an addiction problem that needs to be dealt with severely. I have no sympathy for these homeless people as they brought it on themselves. I would like to see how many homeless people who aren't addicts we have to house so that a plan could be made to help them, and them only.


  • Registered Users Posts: 649 ✭✭✭crusher000


    coming soon , bedsits for €1500 a month in dublin , it might somewhat address supply, but at a price.

    Also on the homeless side. Id be interested to know how many homeless people there are in dublin who don't have a drink and/or drug problem. It seems to me dublin has an addiction problem that needs to be dealt with severely. I have no sympathy for these homeless people as they brought it on themselves. I would like to see how many homeless people who aren't addicts we have to house so that a plan could be made to help them, and them only.


    Stop, your bringing a tear to my eye with your christian, humane side being so prominent and it being Christmas and all. You have defiently put yourself in the running for Irish person of the Year 2015.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    coming soon , bedsits for €1500 a month in dublin , it might somewhat address supply, but at a price.

    Also on the homeless side. Id be interested to know how many homeless people there are in dublin who don't have a drink and/or drug problem. It seems to me dublin has an addiction problem that needs to be dealt with severely. I have no sympathy for these homeless people as they brought it on themselves. I would like to see how many homeless people who aren't addicts we have to house so that a plan could be made to help them, and them only.

    Go and Work with the homeless for one night. Bet you come back a changed man.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    crusher000 wrote: »
    Stop, your bringing a tear to my eye with your christian, humane side being so prominent and it being Christmas and all. You have defiently put yourself in the running for Irish person of the Year 2015.

    Bit of an assumption to make that someone is christian in the first place...


    I've to ask this question again - WHERE are the bedsits they're proposing to "bring back" - what landlord has been sitting on empty properties for a year?

    They are all either converted to studios, converted to houses or still being rented illegally, that's where. There is no tap of supply to turn on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    L1011 wrote: »
    Bit of an assumption to make that someone is christian in the first place...


    I've to ask this question again - WHERE are the bedsits they're proposing to "bring back" - what landlord has been sitting on empty properties for a year?

    They are all either converted to studios, converted to houses or still being rented illegally, that's where. There is no tap of supply to turn on.

    Yeah I've seen some pretty woeful looking converted bedsits appear on the AH "Funny Apartments to Let" thread. Not much more than a bedroom with a hotplate on top of a fridge and a crudely build bathroom in the corner.

    It's just pandering to the short term supply issue as they have to be seen to be doing something but there's not much they can actually do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Yorker


    Are bedsits outlawed everywhere in Ireland or just Dublin? I know someone who lives in a bedsit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,180 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Yorker wrote: »
    Are bedsits outlawed everywhere in Ireland or just Dublin? I know someone who lives in a bedsit


    Studio apartments are fine. Well legal, anyway, provided they have exclusive access to a bathroom (which doesn't have to be contiguous with the rest of the facilities).

    Bedsits, ie places with a combined living / sleeping / cooking space, and a shared bathroom, have been illegal in teh Republic of Ireland since ... mumble, google for the date if you need it. Fairly recently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 947 ✭✭✭zef


    But does 'bringing back bedsits' actually tackle homelessness?
    I would say no, unless the landlords of these bedsits are in some way forced to take rent allowance.
    Of the 17 lowest priced housing units in the whole of Dublin, all under 550e, only one makes no reference to 'no rent allowance'
    The attitude to people down on their luck has to change.
    This awful Daily Mail attitude seems to prevail. On another thread I saw a poster in receipt of RA advise a prospective new landlord not to rent to RA!
    And as for 'christian values', can you not do good and be a decent person for doing it, rather than it being your 'duty' because you are christian?
    And as for the person who said they would not help people with addictions (the bad homeless) er, well if that system fell into place i can only imagine the hell that would break loose. St. Stephens green would turn into needle park, and you'd all want gated communities with security.
    I'd say after 3 months of sleeping rough and no hope i can imagine anyone turning to drink/ drugs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Yorker


    Studio apartments are fine. Well legal, anyway, provided they have exclusive access to a bathroom (which doesn't have to be contiguous with the rest of the facilities).

    Bedsits, ie places with a combined living / sleeping / cooking space, and a shared bathroom, have been illegal in teh Republic of Ireland since ... mumble, google for the date if you need it. Fairly recently.
    this bedsit has bed chair sink. I think the toilet is just for that bedsit. are they allowed to have shared shower? It is a dump actually and the landlord should be ashamed of it but the guy needs it. You mean bedsits, ie places with a combined living / sleeping / cooking space, and a shared bathroom, have been legal till recently


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yorker wrote: »
    this bedsit has bed chair sink. I think the toilet is just for that bedsit. are they allowed to have shared shower? It is a dump actually and the landlord should be ashamed of it but the guy needs it. You mean bedsits, ie places with a combined living / sleeping / cooking space, and a shared bathroom, have been legal till recently

    No, there has to be dedicated cooking and bathroom facilities per unit.

    They were legal til recently if pre-existing since before 1963 basically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    zef wrote: »
    But does 'bringing back bedsits' actually tackle homelessness?
    I would say no, unless the landlords of these bedsits are in some way forced to take rent allowance.
    Of the 17 lowest priced housing units in the whole of Dublin, all under 550e, only one makes no reference to 'no rent allowance'
    The attitude to people down on their luck has to change.
    This awful Daily Mail attitude seems to prevail. On another thread I saw a poster in receipt of RA advise a prospective new landlord not to rent to RA!
    And as for 'christian values', can you not do good and be a decent person for doing it, rather than it being your 'duty' because you are christian?
    And as for the person who said they would not help people with addictions (the bad homeless) er, well if that system fell into place i can only imagine the hell that would break loose. St. Stephens green would turn into needle park, and you'd all want gated communities with security.
    I'd say after 3 months of sleeping rough and no hope i can imagine anyone turning to drink/ drugs.

    Here's a radical idea. How about instead of forcing LL's to take in RA tenants or forcing people to change their "attitudes" - whatever that means - the State provides decent accommodation rather than relinquishing responsibility to the private sector.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 947 ✭✭✭zef


    Here's a radical idea. How about instead of forcing LL's to take in RA tenants or forcing people to change their "attitudes" - whatever that means - the State provides decent accommodation rather than relinquishing responsibility to the private sector.


    I agree with you to an extent, according to the programme on the rental crisis last night, two thirds of Dublin council houses have been sold off. A ridiculously short sighted policy. I live in Dublin 15, and there are plenty of ex council houses for sale from 70k-135k, why don't the council buy them back, because putting up families in hotels is not a long term solution.
    My point above was in relation to the fact that only 1 out of 17 possible properties on the lower end of the scale 'may' take the RA. I would imagine that is very disheartening to people searching for accommodation. I know most people seem to have it hard, the 'squeezed middle' and the unemployed both.
    Innovation is needed around building new housing units, as many don't conform to the 2.4 kids & married parents needing a 3 bed house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,180 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Here's a radical idea. How about instead of forcing LL's to take in RA tenants or forcing people to change their "attitudes" - whatever that means - the State provides decent accommodation rather than relinquishing responsibility to the private sector.

    Food is as much a a fundamental need as accommodation.

    Do you think that the state should be providing food as well, rather than relinquishing responsibility to the private sector?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Food is as much a a fundamental need as accommodation.

    Do you think that the state should be providing food as well, rather than relinquishing responsibility to the private sector?

    It does. It's called the dole. Recipients use it to buy food and other stuff.

    Or are you suggesting food stamps? Or better yet, state run farms and factories to produce foodstuffs solely for the unemployed.:rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Yorker


    zef wrote: »
    But does 'bringing back bedsits' actually tackle homelessness?
    I would say no, unless the landlords of these bedsits are in some way forced to take rent allowance.
    Of the 17 lowest priced housing units in the whole of Dublin, all under 550e, only one makes no reference to 'no rent allowance'
    The attitude to people down on their luck has to change.
    This awful Daily Mail attitude seems to prevail. On another thread I saw a poster in receipt of RA advise a prospective new landlord not to rent to RA!
    And as for 'christian values', can you not do good and be a decent person for doing it, rather than it being your 'duty' because you are christian?
    And as for the person who said they would not help people with addictions (the bad homeless) er, well if that system fell into place i can only imagine the hell that would break loose. St. Stephens green would turn into needle park, and you'd all want gated communities with security.
    I'd say after 3 months of sleeping rough and no hope i can imagine anyone turning to drink/ drugs.
    you have the cart before the needle there


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