Jackie Healy Rae has died

DEFTLEFTHAND · 06-12-2014 01:58AM

reprise wrote: »

I will miss little, bar seeing something like this on the Irish Times:

www.dinglename.com/graphics/jackie-healy-rae_large.jpg

That procession looks similar to a 19th century Sicilian tradition where a new chieftain would march through his town flanked by 'men of honour' in peaked caps carrying torches.

reprise · 06-12-2014 02:16AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That procession looks similar to a 19th century Sicilian tradition where a new chieftain would march through his town flanked by 'men of honour' in peaked caps carrying torches.

I wondered where the inspiration was drawn from.

iirc, he started at least one of his election campaigns with this.

The size of my pic doesnt do it justice, I'd say it looked dead impressive on the street.

Dan_Solo · 06-12-2014 02:18AM

I was always told you should never speak ill of the dead.
Aaand I think I'll leave that right there.

Lapin · 06-12-2014 02:21AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Why are people above criticism just because they have died?

They're not.

Arseholes get the same criticism around here when they peg it.

Just ask Margaret Thatcher and Ian Paisley.

ProudDUB · 06-12-2014 02:39AM

efb wrote: »

He served Kerry South the way Tony Gregory did Dublin Central. The Dublincentric media made a saint of one and a bafoon of the other. But he delivered for his constituents

Other than his TD's salary, Tony Gregory died virtually penniless. JHR died with very, very well lined pockets. Big, big difference.

TheLastMohican · 06-12-2014 04:10AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Why are people above criticism just because they have died?

If politicians knew that their obits would also include their misdeeds, strokes and stunts - they might try to be less loftier and more work like for the good of the people and not themselves.
It is utterly wrong to laud the dead just because they have departed.
Tell the truth of shut it.

TheLastMohican · 06-12-2014 04:12AM

Lapin wrote: »

They're not.

Arseholes get the same criticism around here when they peg it.

Just ask Margaret Thatcher and Ian Paisley.

Both of these were particularly nasty bits of work. The former's two children were estranged and the latter's a clone.

AlanS181824 · 06-12-2014 05:30AM

May he RIP.

padd b1975 · 06-12-2014 09:47AM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Other than his TD's salary, Tony Gregory died virtually penniless.

I thought Tony would have had a few bob, considering he never bought a necktie in his entire life.

TwoShedsJackson · 06-12-2014 10:23AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I thought Tony would have had a few bob, considering he never bought a necktie in his entire life.

Proper order too. Ridiculous article of clothing.

06-12-2014 10:34AM

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

My he rest in peace.

In terms of politics he wasn't necessarily a bad person, more a colourful symptom of a wider problem in Irish political life.

Cantremember · 06-12-2014 11:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

My he rest in peace.

In terms of politics he wasn't necessarily a bad person, more a colourful symptom of a wider problem in Irish political life.

He is dead. The right hand of the alleged deity and peace are irrelevant ideas to him now. I have no idea if he was a good or bad person and frequently the belief that one is either one or the other is naive and simplistic.
He was much more than a symptom, he was a perpetuator of a clientelism, a buffoonery, a cute hoorism and Fianna Failism for most of his life. He reflected back to us the worst of our political failing and we in turn elevated him to represent us. To begin to understand why the country was a basket case for so long just look at the politics that JHR represents.

Grayson · 06-12-2014 11:10AM

liam7831 wrote: »

Why does everyone feel the need to use that silly phrase "Parish Pump" every 5 mins, never heard it til a few yrs ago.

We could use the american "pork barrel" if you want.

06-12-2014 11:21AM

Cantremember wrote: »

He was much more than a symptom, he was a perpetuator of a clientelism, a buffoonery, a cute hoorism and Fianna Failism for most of his life. He reflected back to us the worst of our political failing and we in turn elevated him to represent us. To begin to understand why the country was a basket case for so long just look at the politics that JHR represents.

That is correct, however I would stop short of being too harsh, because he was not someone of the ilk of Ian Paisley or Maggie Thatcher who actually did cause people's deaths. He was more of a Mayor Quimby than a Mr. Burns.

Red21 · 06-12-2014 11:50AM

He never lost an election because he convinced enough individuals he was the man to make them better off -have a bigger house, have a nicer car, have more money in their bank account, the same as all elections everywhere.

This is how it works, it has always been like this all over the world throughout history.

RIP Jackie, at least you didn't try pretend there was more to it than this.

reprise · 06-12-2014 11:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is correct, however I would stop short of being too harsh, because he was not someone of the ilk of Ian Paisley or Maggie Thatcher who actually did cause people's deaths. He was more of a Mayor Quimby than a Mr. Burns.

.

You forgetting Krusty?

Means Of Escape · 06-12-2014 12:28PM

Cantremember wrote: »

He is dead. The right hand of the alleged deity and peace are irrelevant ideas to him now. I have no idea if he was a good or bad person and frequently the belief that one is either one or the other is naive and simplistic.
He was much more than a symptom, he was a perpetuator of a clientelism, a buffoonery, a cute hoorism and Fianna Failism for most of his life. He reflected back to us the worst of our political failing and we in turn elevated him to represent us. To begin to understand why the country was a basket case for so long just look at the politics that JHR represents.

And was pandered to by the tools in FF at the time he was an independent with his "key app" on his head

Gael23 · 06-12-2014 12:50PM

Red21 wrote: »

He never lost an election because he convinced enough individuals he was the man to make them better off -have a bigger house, have a nicer car, have more money in their bank account, the same as all elections everywhere.

This is how it works, it has always been like this all over the world throughout history.

RIP Jackie, at least you didn't try pretend there was more to it than this.

He did make his constituents better off but he also made sure that there was even more to gain for his family. Most of the projects he secured funding for were worked on by business owned by his sons.

Graces7 · 06-12-2014 11:10PM

crockholm wrote: »

Have you ever actually been in Kilgarvan? Please do explain how well surfaced roads are the ruin of Ireland?

INteresting comment as the roads in Kilagarvan were potholed for years and a disgrace and danger until about three years ago. A good TD etc would never have let them get to that state unless it were then to get credit for doing them! I drove through each week and you took your life in your hands .. gritted teeth..

Graces7 · 06-12-2014 11:16PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

I'm from Killarney and he was a great help my Mother, myself and my brother when we needed help. My Father left my Mother when I was very young and we had to move home to Killarney from abroad, with nothing but ourselves. We were completely broke and needed help getting set up. He helped us get a council house, helped my Mother with getting a job. I don't have anything bad to say about him. Bit of an odd family, but they are fantastic to the community. RIP.

ie he jumped you and many others up the council housing list to buy your votes for life regardless of who had to wait even longer for a house maybe in just as great a need as you.

Corruption at its most despicable and naive and a practice his descendants follow to this day. Not "fantastic to the community" at all and so many fall for this

Tarzana2 · 06-12-2014 11:24PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Anyone outside of Kerry who fondly remembers him is deluded, the man held up numerous National issues to further his own local political agenda, yes I am sorry to his family for the loss but for everyone complaining about how politicians only look after themselves and care about getting reelected here is one of the prime examples and ignoring this fact due his death is hypocrisy of the highest order

+1

Condolences to his family, but the tributes here are nauseating.

Don Kedick · 06-12-2014 11:28PM

He wasn't the worst of them, that's for sure. No point criticising a dead man when the whole system is flawed.

First Up · 06-12-2014 11:37PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

He wasn't the worst of them, that's for sure. No point criticising a dead man when the whole system is flawed.

It seems a bit unfair to blame "the system". People like JHR get elected because people vote for them.

Don Kedick · 06-12-2014 11:46PM

First Up wrote: »

It seems a bit unfair to blame "the system". People like JHR get elected because people vote for them.

Jackie Healy looked after his people the same way as many FF/blueshirt politicians looked after their people, namely the well off.

Kevin McCloud · 06-12-2014 11:56PM

Graces7 wrote: »

ie he jumped you and many others up the council housing list to buy your votes for life regardless of who had to wait even longer for a house maybe in just as great a need as you.

I have no doubt he would have fought equally for any one in distress for social housing etc if they came to him. Thats hardly corruption now is it?

First Up · 07-12-2014 12:04AM

Don Kedick wrote: »

Jackie Healy looked after his people the same way as many FF/blueshirt politicians looked after their people, namely the well off.

Not sure where the "well off" bit fits in but if you are saying that politicians in Ireland tend to be rewarded for paying attention to local issues, then I congratulate you for having a firm grasp of the blindingly obvious.
That doesn't mean "the system" is wrong - just how people use it.

crockholm · 07-12-2014 12:11AM

Graces7 wrote: »

ie he jumped you and many others up the council housing list to buy your votes for life regardless of who had to wait even longer for a house maybe in just as great a need as you.

Corruption at its most despicable and naive and a practice his descendants follow to this day. Not "fantastic to the community" at all and so many fall for this

He got a house for a single mother and her kids-the monsterous baxtard:rolleyes:

Honestly,between posts like the above,and the way you were scathing of people up in Donegal,yet forgetting the good deeds that you benefitted from from posters here on boards-you come across as a truely unlikeable,bitter person.

Don Kedick · 07-12-2014 12:13AM

First Up wrote: »

Not sure where the "well off" bit fits in but if you are saying that politicians in Ireland tend to be rewarded for paying attention to local issues, then I congratulate you for having a firm grasp of the blindingly obvious.
That doesn't mean "the system" is wrong - just how people use it.

I wasn't saying local issues. FF/the blueshirts have looked after the well off with their policies when they're in power. That's why people like Jackie Healy have to look after others in trouble.

Red21 · 07-12-2014 12:52AM

Graces7 wrote: »

ie he jumped you and many others up the council housing list to buy your votes for life regardless of who had to wait even longer for a house maybe in just as great a need as you.

Corruption at its most despicable and naive and a practice his descendants follow to this day. Not "fantastic to the community" at all and so many fall for this

So why didn't he just jump those already on the list, who were "in just as great a need" and buy their votes for life. South Kerry isn't so big that matters like this can't be brought to the attention of one of the 3 TDs.

Nevermind about suffering children, rules are rules and corruption is despicable, isn't that right Graces7

Tarzana2 · 07-12-2014 12:54AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It saddens me that whenever someone dies in Ireland, we fall over ourselves with condolences and positive words regardless of what the person did in life.

Linehan and Mathews lampooned this wonderfully in the 'Father Ted' episode where Father Jack fake dies (snippet of episode transcript):

I suppose we only knew him in his twilight years.
But I think we saw the best of him.
The really lovely man.
True knight of the Church.
Gentle, lovely sense of humour.
Patient, good-natured.
Sorry, Ted.
Who's this now? Who do you think I'd be talking about at this moment? I'm not sure.
I didn't catch the start.
Jack, of course.
Oh, right.
Yes.
A great priest.
First priest to denounce The Beatles.
- Right.
- He could see what they were up to.
He loved children, of course.
He did, yes.
They were terrified of him, though.
He had that stick and he'd be waving it.
Maybe they thought he'd hit them.
I heard that when he was teaching he was a great believer in discipline.
(Muttering) Would you say he was a good teacher? Friend of mine, Father Jimmy Rannable, studied under him.
He told me once, no one, no one had such a huge effect on him as Father Jack.
Jimmy Rannable.
What happened to him? - Remember the Drumshanbo Massacre? - Yeah.
- That was him.
- Oh.
Another thing about Jack, he loved a bit of competition.
He'd a great sense of fair play.
(Angelic choir) A great traditionalist.
He didn't agree with the modern thinking within the Church.
You'll burn for all eternity in hell! Hell! Funny, one moment you're here, the next moment

Jackie Healy Rae has died

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