Fury v Chisora II

FTA69 · 02-12-2014 12:09PM

walshb wrote: »

For me he is just a big and naturally well built person. I don't see anything resembling Holyfield's later career, who was always a ripped and toned boxer. Joshua looks ordinary and natural. Nothing extraordinary about the physique.

Ah here walsh, what are you on about like? The man is built like a feckin' Greek god. He's 6'5" odd and looks like he was carved out of stone. He has a better physique than nearly every other heavyweight out there. For a big man to look like that is very rare indeed and a lot more difficult than a man of Holyfield's stature.

FTA69 · 02-12-2014 12:15PM

Also, I don't want to be putting sh*t on Joshua. I think he's a great lad and a good ambassador for the sport. He has all the potential in the world. But right now, we have seen very little from him in the pro game so far.

- Opposition: He has beaten nobody. As in nobody like. Knocking over East European journeymen half your size isn't a big achievement at this level. Like it or not, Fury has been fighting at a much higher level.

-Experience: Has he been tested? Has he been taken the distance? Has he gone past three rounds?

We know nothing about Joshua yet so to be arbitrarily stating he'd be beating top ten heavies when he hasn't been past a few rounds is just premature in my eyes.

walshb · 02-12-2014 12:15PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Ah here walsh, what are you on about like? The man is built like a feckin' Greek god. He's 6'5" odd and looks like he was carved out of stone. He has a better physique than nearly every other heavyweight out there. For a big man to look like that is very rare indeed and a lot more difficult than a man of Holyfield's stature.

Oh no, I am not saying that he hasn't got a great physique. He does. But to me it's just genes and DNA and being fit and training. He is a naturally very well built dude. I was answering more the whole "how does he have this physique" question. See post 539

dinorebel · 02-12-2014 12:17PM

Kevin Johnson is ideal as his next opponent he wont win he may not even try to win but he's crafty and knows how to survive if Joshua gets rid of him early it would be quite an achievement.

walshb · 02-12-2014 12:19PM

FTA69 wrote: »

We know nothing about Joshua yet so to be arbitrarily stating he'd be beating top ten heavies when he hasn't been past a few rounds is just premature in my eyes.

Predicting that he could KO Fury tomorrow is hardly being premature. Joshua is a big HW who can hit. If Fury knocked Joshua out I wouldn't be too surprised either. Nobody knows yet how good Joshua's chin is.

Hachiko · 02-12-2014 09:08PM

surprised people here don't give donations to fury such is the worshiping.

walshb · 02-12-2014 09:13PM

Hachiko wrote: »

surprised people here don't give donations to fury such is the worshiping.

I know. Fools thinking that Fury would ever have a chance against Manny and Floyd!

Hachiko · 02-12-2014 10:12PM

So put a fight on, keep me entertained watching this hapless giant.

He is the worst boxer I ever seen, he thinks he is some god also which makes it worse and seems to have cast a spell on people, like the ones here.

Mantis Toboggan · 02-12-2014 10:46PM

Hachiko wrote: »

So put a fight on, keep me entertained watching this hapless giant.

He is the worst boxer I ever seen, he thinks he is some god also which makes it worse and seems to have cast a spell on people, like the ones here.

If he's the worst boxer you ever seen what's Derrick chisora?

Hachiko · 02-12-2014 11:19PM

the fact that he is even fighting is amazing, he is hardly bright enough to string a sentence together. Pac and Mayweather are probably the only fighters worth watching now, Pac has brains and has a future in politics, Mayweather is pure showman.

Tyson Fury is hopeless, if he was near the height of other proper boxers he would get destroyed. I am still sure even with his advantage he would get beat, he would just collapse with all that colossal fat.

qwabercd · 03-12-2014 01:19AM

Joshua is only 25 and has had just 10 fights. Whilst it's time to start stepping him up, because he's been in the limelight since the day he turned pro, some people think he's being moved slowly. Still plenty of time for the big fights and I think they're handling him very well thus far.

Strongbow10 · 03-12-2014 01:22AM

Tony Thompson would be a good test for Joshua

walshb · 03-12-2014 09:03AM

Hachiko wrote: »

the fact that he is even fighting is amazing, he is hardly bright enough to string a sentence together. Pac and Mayweather are probably the only fighters worth watching now, Pac has brains and has a future in politics, Mayweather is pure showman.

Tyson Fury is hopeless, if he was near the height of other proper boxers he would get destroyed. I am still sure even with his advantage he would get beat, he would just collapse with all that colossal fat.

How do you think Mickey Rourke would do against him?

xmasking · 03-12-2014 12:04PM

emergingstar wrote: »

Great performance by fury

great performance

walshb · 03-12-2014 12:14PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Tony Thompson would be a good test for Joshua

I have a feeling that Joshua would slaughter him. Too fast and heavy handed.

xmasking · 03-12-2014 12:53PM

Heavy handed indeed

kryogen · 03-12-2014 02:24PM

xmasking wrote: »

Heavy handed indeed

Repetition indeed

kryogen · 03-12-2014 02:26PM

Anyways, Johnson is a good fight for him imo as he is durable, we know he doesn't go down easily so it will be a measure of what Joshua has when his go to punch doesn't work so well, will he be able to adjust his game plan and find a way to get him out of there or will he be taken the distance?

He needs to be brought further in a fight then he has so far either way and this fight at least almost guarantees that anyway!

I hope he gets him out of there early and in impressive fashion as my own feeling on him is that he is ready to step it up a bit more and start pushing, he is the first heavy weight that excites me in a long time.

Strongbow10 · 03-12-2014 04:02PM

kryogen wrote: »

Anyways, Johnson is a good fight for him imo as he is durable, we know he doesn't go down easily so it will be a measure of what Joshua has when his go to punch doesn't work so well, will he be able to adjust his game plan and find a way to get him out of there or will he be taken the distance?

He needs to be brought further in a fight then he has so far either way and this fight at least almost guarantees that anyway!

I hope he gets him out of there early and in impressive fashion as my own feeling on him is that he is ready to step it up a bit more and start pushing, he is the first heavy weight that excites me in a long time.

Did Sprott actually visit the canvas or was he stopped on his feet?

Mantis Toboggan · 03-12-2014 09:11PM

AJ said today when asked about Tyson fury, that not only would he beat him he would also knock him out. I suppose he's got to be confident but he's starting to become very cocky especially when talking about Kevin Johnson today which is odd for him as he had been very grounded. Hope he doesn't start to believe his own hype.

ASOT · 03-12-2014 09:17PM

Tyson Fury wrote: »

AJ said today when asked about Tyson fury, that not only would he beat him he would also knock him out. I suppose he's got to be confident but he's starting to become very cocky especially when talking about Kevin Johnson today which is odd for him as he had been very grounded. Hope he doesn't start to believe his own hype.

Was very surprised by that myself, if anything thats one thing i loved about AJ he seemed so humble and down to earth. If he starts being a cock his following from outside the UK will dwindle I think.

megadodge · 03-12-2014 10:56PM

pac_man wrote: »

I think Joshua is a matchmakers nightmare but I don't see the how Kevin Johnson is an ideal opponent. What has he got to learn from someone that throw 2 punches a round. Just because he hasn't been stopped, doesn't mean he's ideal. Would you put Joshua in with James Toney? They are not far off in terms of levels of 'shotness'. If anyone saw his fight with Christian Hammer( it was on Eurosport about this time last year), they would have saw bad he was. The fight looks good on a CV but I'm not sure there's much learning. Rounds with a heavybag springs to mind.

Simple really, he'll get rounds in the bank.
That's exactly why Johnson has been picked. They can't let Joshua into a big fight without proving he can go at least 8+ rounds. It's a very normal part of the education of a young hard-hitting prospect. It's all about learning patience and pacing.

megadodge · 03-12-2014 11:13PM

I finally got to see the Saunders/Eubank bout again, having only seen it in an overcrowded, very loud pub originally.

On the night I thought it was a terrific contest, as distinct from a great fight and I still think so. It was very, very close and both boxers gave absolutely everything they had in an effort to win. I scored it 115-114 to Saunders, but have two Saunders rounds with a '?' beside them, meaning if I gave them both even, Eubank would have won by a point. I honestly think a draw would have been the fairest result.

I cannot understand how anybody who knows anything about boxing could look at that claim Eubank doesn't have what it takes. The only thing that prevented Eubank winning was experience. I think he showed so much potential, despite his inexperience, that if they meet again I would be quite confident putting money on Eubank. Even with all his loading up and telegraphing he remained very strong in the second half. He will surely learn to sharpen his punches and mix the levels of power and speed.

It was also the first time I was really impressed with Saunders. His defense was excellent, as was his jab (but I always thought that) and his conditioning was much improved. He showed a very good chin and coolness under serious pressure. Very enjoybable fight.

walshb · 04-12-2014 04:17PM

megadodge wrote: »

I finally got to see the Saunders/Eubank bout again, having only seen it in an overcrowded, very loud pub originally.

On the night I thought it was a terrific contest, as distinct from a great fight and I still think so. It was very, very close and both boxers gave absolutely everything they had in an effort to win. I scored it 115-114 to Saunders, but have two Saunders rounds with a '?' beside them, meaning if I gave them both even, Eubank would have won by a point. I honestly think a draw would have been the fairest result.

I cannot understand how anybody who knows anything about boxing could look at that claim Eubank doesn't have what it takes. The only thing that prevented Eubank winning was experience. I think he showed so much potential, despite his inexperience, that if they meet again I would be quite confident putting money on Eubank. Even with all his loading up and telegraphing he remained very strong in the second half. He will surely learn to sharpen his punches and mix the levels of power and speed.

It was also the first time I was really impressed with Saunders. His defense was excellent, as was his jab (but I always thought that) and his conditioning was much improved. He showed a very good chin and coolness under serious pressure. Very enjoybable fight.

I didn't get to see it live. I have watched the first 5-6 rds on a fairly decent youtube feed. Does it get better, because the first 5-6 rds are pretty boring.

T-K-O · 04-12-2014 04:26PM

walshb wrote: »

I didn't get to see it live. I have watched the first 5-6 rds on a fairly decent youtube feed. Does it get better, because the first 5-6 rds are pretty boring.

IMO, it was decent domestic level fight. The hype surrounding the bout made it that little bit more interesting.

walshb · 04-12-2014 04:30PM

T-K-O wrote: »

IMO, it was decent domestic level fight. The hype surrounding the bout made it that little bit more interesting.

I will try watch the lot of it, but from what I have seen it looks rather scrappy. Maybe there is real quality down the stretch.

I tried the Gavin fight but fell asleep during the intro!:)

T-K-O · 04-12-2014 04:36PM

walshb wrote: »

I will try watch the lot of it, but from what I have seen it looks rather scrappy. Maybe there is real quality down the stretch.

I tried the Gavin fight but fell asleep during the intro!:)

Eubank went for it in the latter rounds. However, Don't bother as it doesn't really get any better.

The Gavin fight was awful. Thinking back the card turned out to be pretty poor over all.

walshb · 04-12-2014 04:39PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Eubank went for it in the latter rounds. However, Don't bother as it doesn't really get any better.

The Gavin fight was awful. Thinking back the card turned out to be pretty poor over all.

Thanks for the heads up. I won't waste the time. I had visions of Eubank going for it, and the usual scrappy and missing punches from both men.... High octane scrapping doesn't get me.

T-K-O · 04-12-2014 04:48PM

walshb wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up. I won't waste the time. I had visions of Eubank going for it, and the usual scrappy and missing punches from both men.... High octane scrapping doesn't get me.

Nailed but as someone mentioned previously, Saunders displayed some nice defensive work.

walshb · 04-12-2014 04:51PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Saunders displayed some nice defensive work.

Sounds enthralling!

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