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Breastfeeding in Public places

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭anonyanony


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Would you rather that mothers now a days didn't leave the house?

    Not at all I am not the one talking of the good old days of 1865, I do want mothers to have a bit more cop on where it might be an issue to bring a young new born, a slight limitation of not being able to go to a fancy restaurant or cinema for six months till you feel comfortable getting a sitter is not a huge ask, that does not mean you have to spend that six months locked up in the house.

    What next mothers taking the baby and breastfeeding it down the nightclub at 2am, ah sure moms shouldn't be expected to be kept locked up in the home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    anonyanony wrote: »
    What next mothers taking the baby and breastfeeding it down the nightclub at 2am, ah sure moms shouldn't be expected to be kept locked up in the home.

    Are you genuinely conflating a woman breastfeeding in a restaurant with a woman who would bring a baby to a nightclub? That's pure hyperbole and borderline trolling IMO. Ridiculous analogy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    MOD

    anonyanony don't post in this thread again, thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭tinkerbell


    anonyanony wrote: »
    Not at all I am not the one talking of the good old days of 1865, I do want mothers to have a bit more cop on where it might be an issue to bring a young new born, a slight limitation of not being able to go to a fancy restaurant or cinema for six months till you feel comfortable getting a sitter is not a huge ask, that does not mean you have to spend that six months locked up in the house.

    What next mothers taking the baby and breastfeeding it down the nightclub at 2am, ah sure moms shouldn't be expected to be kept locked up in the home.

    The only person who needs a bit of cop on here is YOU. Not a breastfeeding mother. Clearly if you had your way, a breastfeeding mother should be confined to her home so that precious people like yourself aren't offended. Your ridiculous suggestion of comparing someone going out for lunch to goung out to a nightclub is nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    anonyanony wrote: »
    Not at all I am not the one talking of the good old days of 1865, I do want mothers to have a bit more cop on where it might be an issue to bring a young new born, a slight limitation of not being able to go to a fancy restaurant or cinema for six months till you feel comfortable getting a sitter is not a huge ask, that does not mean you have to spend that six months locked up in the house.

    What next mothers taking the baby and breastfeeding it down the nightclub at 2am, ah sure moms shouldn't be expected to be kept locked up in the home.


    Ok obviously I can only speak for myself but I have never seen a women bring her new born baby to the cinema, now my understanding for not bringing a new born to the cinema is nothing to do with feeding the child but the damage that noise from the cinema could/will cause the child.

    Again, the music in nightclubs would have a serious adverse effect on the childs hearing.

    Also, again, I have not seen many mothers breastfeeding in "fancy" restuarants (nothing wrong if there are anyway)as these are usually frequented at night time and by couples rather than familes with small children.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I've seen this a few times, it makes me slightly uncomfortable but that's purely from a "shít, where do I look".
    Was getting a train to Glasgow once and the woman opposite me just plonked it out too and did it right there, no shawl, nothing.

    Had to laugh.

    Horrible tig ol' bitties too, one more reason to hate Glasgow!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭dubstarr


    anonyanony wrote: »
    Usually I would expect the mom to have the the sense to determine if a baby is a good fit for the place, but I guess from the comments it's time for the establishment to see of they can set their standards.

    I would never stop a mom and child on a bus or feeding on a bus, transport is vital. I wish more parents would just have some respect for other patrons.

    You would never STOP a mom from feeding.Let me tell you i would have loved for you to try and stop me.I think your ears would still be bleeding.
    I knew my rights and about it being illegal to stop you feeding your baby.
    And the suckling noise is the best part cause you look down and see that its you doing that.And then they hold your finger while feeding it just melts your heart.
    When they are finished the big goothy milky grin makes me gooey just thinking about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    anonyanony wrote: »
    Just wanted to say I never said they could never leave the house, they can go to family places, parks, shopping hey I am fine with breast feeding and having a baby in a cafe or the like as they are not expected to be quite. A six month period where you stop going to places you expect a quite relaxing atmosphere is not a huge sacrifice till you feel comfortable to get a sitter, also would you take your baby to the cinema. Also I would like to point out I am ok with the baby and feeding on buses, trains and flying as people need to travel.

    About the baby being quite when feeding, there is a certain amount of suckling noise when the baby is feeding, and when eating food it's not the most pleasant noise to hear can be off putting to eating food, the baby can cry for other reason then being hungry so no guarantee the parents can quite the child so the other patrons can have a relaxing evening

    And if you have other children? What, keep them off school until you wean your little one, for fear someone might see a flash of breast. Stay home, dont bother to try to get any exercise, or fresh air, or meet friends, just sit at home and develop massive Post Natal Depression because you can do none of the things that doctors recommend to combat it. Bring a packed lunch every time you have to make an excursion into town to get your other children shoes /jackets/ doctor appointments and eat in your car, under a burka because someone doesn't want a baby interfering with his enjoyment of breast exposure in public. That's what really gets your goat about it, isnt it? That your delicate little fantasy of every woman who exposes partial breasts in public is for your benefit. Bloody babies, eh?

    The noise argument is a pathetic excuse, the exact same low sucking noise is going to be made by a bottle-fed baby getting a bottle of formula and there aren't going to be too many people who complain about that...

    A bottle is actually louder, because of the air going back into the bottle when the baby momentarily stops sucking - a bit like when you drink from a bottle yourself, except more 'hissy'. Then there is the wet slurpy sound from the teat, and the gulping by the baby is louder because there is one opening in a bottle teat rather than the 8-10 micro spray from a nipple so therefore the bottle nozzle is wider and louder.

    A noise measurement experiment would clearly prove which is louder - bottle or breast. I'm well accustomed to both, so I already know the answer :p

    I actually think its lovely to see a woman breastfeeding in public. :)

    It brings me back to when I breastfed, feeling his soft little face on my skin and his tiny hand leaving the little warm hand-print on my chest because he liked to feel my heartbeat and when he would break away from feeding to give me a big gummy smile and coo at me because he was really enjoying his feed. Throughout all the times that he was upset, or I was because we were still finding our way, those lovely feeding moments where I was enjoying a coffee and watching the world go by made me feel like I sometimes had my sh!t together as a mother.

    I'm glad to say that in the 11 months of breastfeeding, I never once encountered a negative comment or glare. I think if I did, it would probably make me a tad more militant and indignant. I've seen drunk people piss, puke and even sh!t in public, see people pick their nose, hawk up green phlegm and narrowly miss being hit by it, hairy arse-cracks, I've seen sex acts being performed on streets - sometimes in broad daylight. I've seen men and women flash for the craic. Now, those behaviours are gross. But I use those aforementioned neck muscles and just turn my head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Neyite wrote: »
    That's what really gets your goat about it, isnt it? That your delicate little fantasy of every woman who exposes partial breasts in public is for your benefit. Bloody babies, eh?

    Can we just repeat this part at every bloke who comes on here complaining that the glimpse of a breast didn't do anything for his particular taste? Cheers :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Shrap wrote: »
    Can we just repeat this part at every bloke who comes on here complaining that the glimpse of a breast didn't do anything for his particular taste? Cheers :cool:

    Let's not sink to making it a mothers versus blokes thing... Plenty of women for some reason find breast feeding objectionable as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    blacklilly wrote: »
    Would you rather that mothers now a days didn't leave the house?

    Ooh, I know what we could do with them!

    We could...like.. put them into a big house, maybe call it a mother and baby house! We could get some nuns or other good-living women to run it while the mothers hide away this shameful behaviour of breastfeeding. We could aptly name it after a saint who also indulged in shameful behavour - Magadalene. Maybe they could do a little bit of washing in exchange for their keep, like...Then nobody could get outraged and offended because there would be no more women being all shameful and disgracing the family name in public. Its the obvious solution really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    ?Cee?view wrote: »
    Let's not sink to making it a mothers versus blokes thing... Plenty of women for some reason find breast feeding objectionable as well.

    Well, I'm not really. I just felt that was an adequate response to the two blokes on this page alone who felt that the "talent" on show was offending them. Indeed, there have been more strange objections from women and I can't work out their reasoning at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    razorblunt wrote: »
    I've seen this a few times, it makes me slightly uncomfortable but that's purely from a "shít, where do I look".
    Was getting a train to Glasgow once and the woman opposite me just plonked it out too and did it right there, no shawl, nothing.

    Had to laugh.

    Horrible tig ol' bitties too, one more reason to hate Glasgow!

    You did that in Scotland? :eek: That's a CRIMINAL offense in Scotland. You were damn lucky not to have faced prosecution and a criminal record.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    razorblunt wrote: »
    I've seen this a few times, it makes me slightly uncomfortable but that's purely from a "shít, where do I look".
    Was getting a train to Glasgow once and the woman opposite me just plonked it out too and did it right there, no shawl, nothing.

    Had to laugh.

    Horrible tig ol' bitties too, one more reason to hate Glasgow!

    Yeah, most new mothers don't have the most attractive breasts. They're swollen, veiny and full of milk, ffs, what do you expect?

    You're the one who chose to look at her breasts, when you could have looked out the window, at your phone, at the floor, etc.

    I doubt any new mums care what you think about how their breasts look. They're there to do a job, not turn you on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    razorblunt wrote: »
    I've seen this a few times, it makes me slightly uncomfortable but that's purely from a "shít, where do I look".
    Was getting a train to Glasgow once and the woman opposite me just plonked it out too and did it right there, no shawl, nothing.

    Had to laugh.

    Horrible tig ol' bitties too, one more reason to hate Glasgow!

    Well unless you had been staring at her chest before she started to feed her baby keep looking wherever you were looking before??

    And again she was feeding her baby, not trying it on with you... Feeding her baby. So commenting on her boobs is so horribly inappropriate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭TrishSimon


    Mr_Red wrote: »
    Story Here



    Im not sure if I disagree with the Hotel here.

    Opinions?

    I am 50/50 on this one too, there are certain clothes or underwear you can get which have a flap on them and you can just pop it over the babies head when feeding. If I saw someone in public breastfeeding it would make me uncomfortable too if her breast was showing for all to see.
    Some establishments have feeding rooms you can go to and I think that is more private both for the mother and everyone else.

    Some people will argue well years ago mothers breastfed when bottles were not around or formula which is very true but I dont think you would have seen any of them sitting in a tea room with a boob out feeding the baby.
    Obviously I am a woman and I would not like to see it if I was sitting having a meal it would put me off a bit. Just being honest there.
    I think discretion should have been used when asking the lady to cover up so maybe it was phrased incorrectly who knows.
    Its her word against theirs.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I am 50/50 on this one too, there are certain clothes or underwear you can get which have a flap on them and you can just pop it over the babies head when feeding. If I saw someone in public breastfeeding it would make me uncomfortable too if her breast was showing for all to see.
    Some establishments have feeding rooms you can go to and I think that is more private both for the mother and everyone else.

    Some people will argue well years ago mothers breastfed when bottles were not around or formula which is very true but I dont think you would have seen any of them sitting in a tea room with a boob out feeding the baby.
    Obviously I am a woman and I would not like to see it if I was sitting having a meal it would put me off a bit. Just being honest there.
    I think discretion should have been used when asking the lady to cover up so maybe it was phrased incorrectly who knows.
    Its her word against theirs.

    Could you perhaps entertain the possibility of looking at something else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭tinkerbell


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I am 50/50 on this one too, there are certain clothes or underwear you can get which have a flap on them and you can just pop it over the babies head when feeding. If I saw someone in public breastfeeding it would make me uncomfortable too if her breast was showing for all to see.
    Some establishments have feeding rooms you can go to and I think that is more private both for the mother and everyone else.

    Some people will argue well years ago mothers breastfed when bottles were not around or formula which is very true but I dont think you would have seen any of them sitting in a tea room with a boob out feeding the baby.
    Obviously I am a woman and I would not like to see it if I was sitting having a meal it would put me off a bit. Just being honest there.
    I think discretion should have been used when asking the lady to cover up so maybe it was phrased incorrectly who knows.
    Its her word against theirs.

    Why should I go off to a feeding room just because other people are pig ignorant? A feed can sometimes take up to an hour. I want to be comfortable too.

    Your comment about women years ago and how they wouldn't be sitting in a tea room feeding is ridiculous- afternoon tea is actually an old concept, not a 21st century invention, women would have gone for tea or whatever.

    And asking a woman to cover up is incorrect and illegal full stop, nothing to do with phrasing it differently.

    What if I was put off by watching how you eat your food at the next table to me because you chew too loud or whatever? Would you like me to say please get the Fook out, you disgust me and are turning me off my food? Thought not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭TrishSimon


    Candie wrote: »
    Could you perhaps entertain the possibility of looking at something else?

    I am talking about if the people who were uncomfortable with it where in close proximity to the lady Candie, obviously if I was over the other side of the room I would not be able to see it.
    Everyone is entitled to be able to sit in an establishment and feel comfortable not just a feeding mother, they were all paying customers just because a woman feels its her right to sit in a public place with her boob out does not mean everyone has to like it.
    I don't know of any women who would sit in a restaurant or hotel tea room as it was and feed their baby right in front of everyone, alot of my friends and some family have breastfed and some will ask for a more private area or others have expressed milk before leaving the home.
    There is other options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    What really amazes me from this thread is the amount of people completely incapable of looking anywhere except at a women's chest. Downright rudeness really!


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I am talking about if the people who were uncomfortable with it where in close proximity to the lady Candie, obviously if I was over the other side of the room I would not be able to see it.
    Everyone is entitled to be able to sit in an establishment and feel comfortable not just a feeding mother, they were all paying customers just because a woman feels its her right to sit in a public place with her boob out does not mean everyone has to like it.
    I don't know of any women who would sit in a restaurant or hotel tea room as it was and feed their baby right in front of everyone, alot of my friends and some family have breastfed and some will ask for a more private area or others have expressed milk before leaving the home.
    There is other options.


    Even if a woman is sitting at the next table feeding, you're not compelled to watch. You're only uncomfortable watching a baby being fed if you actually watch the baby being fed.

    Your right to look in that particular directions isn't enshrined in law, the womans right to feed her child IS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭RentDayBlues


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I am 50/50 on this one too, there are certain clothes or underwear you can get which have a flap on them and you can just pop it over the babies head when feeding. If I saw someone in public breastfeeding it would make me uncomfortable too if her breast was showing for all to see.
    Some establishments have feeding rooms you can go to and I think that is more private both for the mother and everyone else.

    Some people will argue well years ago mothers breastfed when bottles were not around or formula which is very true but I dont think you would have seen any of them sitting in a tea room with a boob out feeding the baby.
    Obviously I am a woman and I would not like to see it if I was sitting having a meal it would put me off a bit. Just being honest there.
    I think discretion should have been used when asking the lady to cover up so maybe it was phrased incorrectly who knows.
    Its her word against theirs.


    It would put you off eating? Why, does seeing adults and children eating put you off eating? Does watching a baby feed from the bottle have the same effect? Or is it the fact that you can't take your eyes of another woman's breasts as she feeds her child?

    I've breastfed both my babies and it was always women like you who stared and commented. Men stared, got embarrassed and looked away. I'm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    OMG, Why all this talk of boobs out.. has anyone actually seen a woman breastfeeding? You barely notice anything. People really need to get over themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I am talking about if the people who were uncomfortable with it where in close proximity to the lady Candie, obviously if I was over the other side of the room I would not be able to see it.
    Everyone is entitled to be able to sit in an establishment and feel comfortable not just a feeding mother, they were all paying customers just because a woman feels its her right to sit in a public place with her boob out does not mean everyone has to like it.
    I don't know of any women who would sit in a restaurant or hotel tea room as it was and feed their baby right in front of everyone, alot of my friends and some family have breastfed and some will ask for a more private area or others have expressed milk before leaving the home.
    There is other options.

    The law protects a breastfeeding mother. I feed anywhere, and I'm extremely discreet, but that's my choice. Have you read the thread? Have you read where some breastfeeding mothers, myself included, have explained that some breastfed babies won't take bottles, and to get 4/5oz would take me an entire week to express?

    Quite frankly if you feel uncomfortable you leave. Because the women feeding her baby is not doing anything wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    TrishSimon wrote: »
    I don't know of any women who would sit in a restaurant or hotel tea room as it was and feed their baby right in front of everyone,

    My two were regularly fed that way. It's sometimes been funny when someone comes up for a chat and takes a while to notice that the child is even being fed. And this is achievable without muslins, cloths, burkas or whatever.
    TrishSimon wrote: »
    alot of my friends and some family have breastfed and some will ask for a more private area or others have expressed milk before leaving the home.
    There is other options.

    Hopefully as things progress they won't need to go to those lengths. Feeding directly from the breast is of course easier and more hygienic than using expressed milk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    TrishSimon wrote: »

    Some people will argue well years ago mothers breastfed when bottles were not around or formula which is very true but I dont think you would have seen any of them sitting in a tea room with a boob out feeding the baby.

    No, they rarely had tea breaks back then. They just went about their day doing their job in clothes specifically designed to give easy and quick access to a nursing baby. Like the traditional garb our own iconic hard working fishmonger wore.

    I think we are more discreet today than women were historically.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭Mr_Red


    cyning wrote: »
    What really amazes me from this thread is the amount of people completely incapable of looking anywhere except at a women's chest. Downright rudeness really!

    I don't think its rudeness.

    People become aware of their surroundings all the time and if they see a woman breastfeeding it can make them feel uncomfortable. Actually to the point where some people are vocal about it and other may move or do nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    Mr_Red wrote: »
    I don't think its rudeness.

    People become aware of their surroundings all the time and if they see a woman breastfeeding it can make them feel uncomfortable. Actually to the point where some people are vocal about it and other may move or do nothing

    Why does it make them uncomfortable though? I really don't get it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭TrishSimon


    Obviously this post is full of feeding mothers who feel its their right to feed whenever and where ever you want even if it makes people feel uncomfortable and the fact that people challenge you all on the issue pisses you all off well I really could not care less I am a woman and I am saying I don't agree with it if people feel uncomfortable to the point where they would want to leave.
    Everyone think oh dont offend the feeding new mum well what about offending the other customers but then again you all obviously dont give two fiddles because you are the most important person in that establishment on that day and its your god given right to feed in public...so be it.

    Would you frown if you seen a feeding mother who would like a bit of privacy ask to go to another room??
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs and if you lot dont like it then lump it because I dont care.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    jaja321 wrote: »
    OMG, Why all this talk of boobs out.. has anyone actually seen a woman breastfeeding? You barely notice anything. People really need to get over themselves.
    These are two pictures of me breastfeeding in public.
    Isn't it shocking the amount of boobage on show? :rolleyes:
    Breastfeeding 1.jpg

    Breastfeeding 2.jpg


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