Breastfeeding in Public places

FullblownRose · 04-12-2014 10:57AM

Mary63 wrote: »

They should have supplied mother with a burka to cover herself and breast feeding baby.

I really cannot stand these in your face mothers,put it away,we dont need to know all about you and your baby especially when your baby is walking.

These babies are always called Phoebe or Fabian or other horrible names and you always hear them before you see them,Mum and Dad answer their stupid questions incessantly as if they and they alone are the most clever being to get up on two legs,seriously ****ing irritating in supermarket queues. It would be better if once in a while the children could be told to give their tongue a break as their chatter is so stupid,teachers then might be actually able to teach them in school.

Who took the jam out of your doughnut?

04-12-2014 10:59AM

ash23 wrote: »

I'm merely saying that it's not for me

Then I merely suggest you look the other way. Everyone's problem solved. Life then goes on.

ash23 wrote: »

So something has to be sexual for people not to want to see it?

The point - I think - is that what you "want" is irrelevant. Simply look away and get over it - unless some useful argument can be constructed as to why it should not be done.

ash23 wrote: »

Naked photos are OK on Facebook once a baby is attached to one breast?

TBH I would prefer to live in a society where nudity was ok with or without a baby attached. This all too human issue with nudity is one I have never even begun to understand. Nor has anyone been able to explain it to me.

ash23 wrote: »

Is it so difficult to understand that I don't want to see another woman's breast?

Is it so difficult to understand that 1) Look away and get over it and 2) What you "want" does not necessarily dictate what the behaviours of others should be. At all.

As I said before I do not "want" to see egregiously obese people jammed into Lycra cycling outfits. Does that mean they should modify their behaviour? Or that I should look away and get over myself?

I do the latter. I highly recommend it.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:00AM

dan1895 wrote: »

They're doing nothing disrespectful in the first place.

Bringing something that can make noise and disrupt other patrons is disrespectful, I never go to the cinema or restaurant when I am on call as there is a chance of me creating undue noise and disrupting the other patrons, that means I get to go out less to those kinda places.

blacklilly · 04-12-2014 11:02AM

anonyanony wrote: »

Bringing something that can make noise and disrupt other patrons is disrespectful, I never go to the cinema or restaurant when I am on call as there is a chance of me creating undue noise and disrupting the other patrons, that means I get to go out less to those kinda places.

It's called a baby, I repeat........... a baby

04-12-2014 11:04AM

anonyanony wrote: »

Bringing something that can make noise and disrupt other patrons is disrespectful

I bring something that makes noise to lots of places I go. They are called friends. And the noise is called conversation.

If "noise" is your issue I can not imagine how you manage to go ANYWHERE without your delicate little sensibilities being offended.

Must take you _ages_ to eat in a restaurant. You know - with all that care you must be taking to ensure your cutlery does not clink together or - heaven forbid - off the plate.

One wonders how other mammals - you know like dogs and things with hearing well beyond ours - can even stand being around each other at all.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I bring something that makes noise to lots of places I go. They are called friends. And the noise is called conversation.

If "noise" is your issue I can not imagine how you manage to go ANYWHERE without your delicate little sensibilities being offended.

Must take you _ages_ to eat in a restaurant. You know - with all that care you must be taking to ensure your cutlery does not clink together or - heaven forbid - off the plate.

The noise of talking is way different then my phone going off or baby crying, if you friends where shouting then yes this would be a problem and staff in many places deal with load crowds if they get to out of hand.

IvyTheTerrible · 04-12-2014 11:09AM

anonyanony wrote: »

The noise of talking is way different then my phone going off or baby crying, if you friends where shouting then yes this would be a problem and staff in many places deal with load crowds if they get to out of hand.

I don't think babies can feed AND cry at the same time.

If it's the noise of feeding that bothers you, that noise is nowhere near the level of crying or even people talking.

I actually don't know how you could hear a sucking noise from a feeding baby in a public place with all the ambient noise.

04-12-2014 11:10AM

anonyanony wrote: »

The noise of talking is way different then my phone going off or baby crying

And again if you have an issue with either - then you have an issue. Not them. Both noises tend to be transient and brief in the public places like restautants.

But if you have a hearing so sensitive that the noise of suckling - not audible usually to people sitting directly beside a feeding baby - let alone from a different table in a restaurant over the sound of cutlery - plates - conversation - music - and more - then you merely have my sympathy and I can only recommend ear plugs or cotton.

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I actually don't know how you could hear a sucking noise from a feeding baby in a public place with all the ambient noise.

You cant. He is simply wholesale making it up. That - or he is a character out of the XMen made flesh.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:13AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I don't think babies can feed AND cry at the same time.

If it's the noise of feeding that bothers you, that noise is nowhere near the level of crying or even people talking.

I actually don't know how you could hear a sucking noise from a feeding baby in a public place with all the ambient noise.

Babies cry for other reason then hunger, you could feed the baby and a minute later it might cry again and you might not be able to stop it.

Some tables are pretty close together, depends where you sit but it can be possible to hear it feed.

dan1895 · 04-12-2014 11:14AM

Your superhuman powers of hearing should be put to better use. I can't here my own 2 week old feeding when she's beside me in the living room with the tv off.

IvyTheTerrible · 04-12-2014 11:15AM

anonyanony wrote: »

Babies cry for other reason then hunger, you could feed the baby and a minute later it might cry again and you might not be able to stop it.

Some tables are pretty close together, depends where you sit but it can be possible to hear it feed.

Then your issue is with babies in general, and not just breastfeeding.

(I don't know if I'm alone on this, but I find your repeated use of "it" to describe a human baby disturbing)

iguana · 04-12-2014 11:16AM

Anonyanony, when you are out having your meal ruined by suckling sounds at other tables that if you make the suckler's mother in anyway uncomfortable, the management have a legal duty to protect her and will have to ask you to leave. Then your delicate ears will be saved.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:17AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Then your issue is with babies in general, and not just breastfeeding.

(I don't know if I'm alone on this, but I find your repeated use of "it" to describe a human baby disturbing)

What pronoun should I use? Babies can be male or female, used it to get around the use of gendered ones.

JanaMay · 04-12-2014 11:19AM

It's good to see that most people on this thread have a sensible attitude to babies feeding in public: hungry baby, Mammy has milk, Mammy gives milk, baby not hungry anymore. However, I find it very sad that others are still shocked by a baby being given the best source of food for him/her when he/she needs it.

I breastfed EVERYWHERE. On my first, I really genuinely had no idea that anybody in this day and age might find it offensive. The thought never entered my head! I used 'suitable' clothes, but for MY benefit. I really didn't want people to see my flabby, post-birth belly or my blue-veined boobs. MY choice! Sure, if people were looking close enough they'd probably see a bit of nipple when she broke the latch, so what? I honestly never thought anybody would be offended. (To be honest, even if I'd known they were, it'd be up to them to deal with it. My only concern was feeding my child.) She ate when she needed to eat, as did my second. I only once had a negative comment...but that's another story.

I honestly don't believe that any mother who 'whips her baps out' is doing so for attention. She is feeding her baby! That's all, giving food to a child who needs it, when they need it.

As others have pointed out, expressing isn't always an option, for lots of reasons. (Nipple confusion, changes in supply etc. Also, why should a new mum have to go sterilising bottles, storing breast milk, getting it to the right temperature etc when she has an instant, sterile food supply at the right temperature on tap, just to appease some easily-offended people who feel compelled to look).

As for comparing it to defecating, urinating etc. WTF? Glad to see those posts were dealt with by mods.

And so, the European Law exists for this reason. We can't always rely on others to have a bit of cop on. There are loads of things people could be offended about, but they are our rights. Laws are made to protect us from the idiocy of others at times.

04-12-2014 11:19AM

anonyanony wrote: »

Some tables are pretty close together, depends where you sit but it can be possible to hear it feed.

Nope. Do not believe you. One bit. It would want to be an immensely loud feed - a highly quite bar - some seriously close tables - or a combination of the above.

And even if it was true - which I simply do not believe it to be - so what? It is a noise of something perfectly normal and not unhygenic or sexual. Just. A. Noise.

Are there members of our species so offended by humanity that the very noises of it repel them? You poor delicate flower - the horror of the human condition must be unrepenting for you. Something actually unhygenic must really put you off your little eats. A sneeze - the sound of the internal forceful movement of bacteria infested mucus secreted from the internals of another human being. Oh the humanity. Of the repulsive horrific humanity. Shield me from your noises of your unrepenting reality of it all.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:19AM

iguana wrote: »

Anonyanony, when you are out having your meal ruined by suckling sounds at other tables that if you make the suckler's mother in anyway uncomfortable, the management have a legal duty to protect her and will have to ask you to leave. Then your delicate ears will be saved.

I have and others have left without paying due to undue noise, staff are sorry but just say there is little they can do, I do tip the staff on the way out if the service was good it's not their fault

In Lonesome Dove · 04-12-2014 11:20AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

It's hard to believe this kind of pathetic carry on still happens. I swear some folk seem to go out the front door with the intent of being offended in some way before they get home.
In the name of living Jesus if your in an eating house will you eat your bloody dinner and never mind what anybody else is doing and stop sitting there with a big cross swivel head on you. It's a baby and a boob . Cop on.

This reply is brilliant. There are people who go out on a night out on the town who show more boobs with boobs nearly hanging out from their low cut tops than a breastfeeding mother and baby in public.

iguana · 04-12-2014 11:26AM

anonyanony wrote: »

I have and others have left without paying due to undue noise, staff are sorry but just say there is little they can do, I do tip the staff on the way out if the service was good it's not their fault

Believe me they aren't sorry, just glad to see the back of you asap, as the fine they could face for your breech of the law is stonking.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 11:31AM

iguana wrote: »

Believe me they aren't sorry, just glad to see the back of you asap, as the fine they could face for your breech of the law is stonking.

Oh but they are they loose tips when other patrons night get disrupted and tips matter a great deal to them.

FullblownRose · 04-12-2014 11:32AM

I have to say I find loud conversations really annoying when in a restaurant. I'm not being precious, it's bad manners.
I think it's important toremember that people expressing their opinion at least said so politely here and havent said anything rude to b.f mothers and I think it's a bit nasty to attack someone for mildly saying something on a forum.
I'm not sure I would notice a suckling baby and Idon't think I'd be bothered if I did but everyone's different.
Without wanting to seem sarcastic I wonder if some people have more acute hearing than others?

http://www.hyperacusis.net/hyperacusis/what+is+hyperacusis/

blacklilly · 04-12-2014 11:36AM

Some people are so precious.

I hope some day I have triplets and I'll try juggle them around my nipples when out in public just to make others feel uncomfortable and I hope they make as much sucking noise as possible!

rainbow kirby · 04-12-2014 11:38AM

The noise argument is a pathetic excuse, the exact same low sucking noise is going to be made by a bottle-fed baby getting a bottle of formula and there aren't going to be too many people who complain about that...

?Cee?view · 04-12-2014 11:46AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I don't think babies can feed AND cry at the same time.

Mine can at times

Shrap · 04-12-2014 11:47AM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

The noise argument is a pathetic excuse, the exact same low sucking noise is going to be made by a bottle-fed baby getting a bottle of formula and there aren't going to be too many people who complain about that...

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I may be going out on a limb here (I don't think I am though) but the low sucking noise/slurping of a baby who is breastfeeding makes some people uncomfortable due to the fact that more usually for them, those noises are made in a sexual context and by adults.

I reckon we're back to the difficulties a lot of objectors seem to have with seeing the breast used in it's primary capacity rather than it's sexual one, and their inability to separate the experiences.

iguana · 04-12-2014 11:49AM

anonyanony wrote: »

Oh but they are they loose tips when other patrons night get disrupted and tips matter a great deal to them.

Not as much as losing their job because they continued to let a law breaker who they have a legal duty to remove to remain on the premisis.

Get this through your head. If you make a breastfeeding woman uncomfortable you have broken the law. The restaurant is then held legally responsible for your actions. A staff member could lose their job or the whole restaurant could close if the fine, for your behaviour, tips them too far into debt. Try to fool yourself all you like but the staff feel nothing but relief at you leaving.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2014 11:57AM

I'm sorry I read this thread at all, I'm absolutely seething with anger at the ignorant special snowflakes who think the earth revolves around the spot they stand on.

The issue here is the sexualisation of breasts in society, if everyone could just get over their own embarrassment at the sight of a breast we'd have no problem.

Please note that formula was only invented in 1865, a mere 150 years ago. What do you think society did pre 1865? Do you really think there was a spare room on the farm for Mary to breastfeed in, in the 1800s? Irish culture back then was far more supportive of breastfeeding than it is now which is truly sad. Its backwards were going.

A prime ingredient in breastmilk is colostrum, which is commonly referred to as liquid gold, as its so important and vital for babies. It cannot be manufactured artificially and isn't present in formula. Breastfeeding stats in this country are extremely low and it saddens and angers me that this is partially because mothers of newborns are afraid of offending all these precious souls.

Quite simply, if breastfeeding offends you, then so should formula, and so should eating anywhere in public. What angers me most is that no one would even bat an eyelid at a mother bottle feeding a baby cows milk, yet when she uses human milk in its most natural state its frowned upon.

The issue here is ignorance and not breastfeeding. I would honestly have a fit if I was asked to leave a premises because I was feeding my child. I cannot think of a single situation where breastfeeding is inappropriate.

Breastfeeding is the reason the human race has existed for as long as it has. Formula is a very modern concept and previous generations simply wouldn't have been able to stay house bound for up to 18 months, bearing in mind, children were breastfed into toddlerhood back then which isn't as common now.

Thank goodness for the people here with a bit of common sense, it has restored my faith in humanity!

osarusan · 04-12-2014 12:00PM

tinkerbell wrote: »

Have you ever breastfed? Clearly not because otherwise you wouldn't be so blasé about saying just cover up.

No, I am a married father of two kids, both of whom were breastfed as much and as long as possible.

anonyanony · 04-12-2014 12:10PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Please note that formula was only invented in 1865, a mere 150 years ago. What do you think society did pre 1865? Do you really think there was a spare room on the farm for Mary to breastfeed in,

There was a thing called wet nurses, also if Mary was too poor to have a wet nurse I doubt she was leaving the house to got to the fine eating establishments of 1865 to get a nice meal and breastfeed the baby. I doubt a poor new mother in 1865 left the house much at all.

blacklilly · 04-12-2014 12:21PM

anonyanony wrote: »

There was a thing called wet nurses, also if Mary was too poor to have a wet nurse I doubt she was leaving the house to got to the fine eating establishments of 1865 to get a nice meal and breastfeed the baby. I doubt a poor new mother in 1865 left the house much at all.

Would you rather that mothers now a days didn't leave the house?

04-12-2014 12:22PM

If the lady ain't got no talent, then I would find it offensive.

Breastfeeding in Public places

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