i brought the pointers for a 2 hour run today just to get them on to something different.so i i come across a bit of plantin i never beat before.for the 2 hours i was their i lifted 19/20 woodcock thats what i seen.im sure more got out the far side of the plantin.it was the best bit of shooting i had all year.They were coming down the line straight at you over your head up from your feet.i fired at 7 birds and got 6 so was happy with that.i enjoyed more because i just let the pointers do what ever with little handling.here is a few videos.