Teachers on strike to save education system

Paulownia · 02-12-2014 11:39PM

God be with the days when teachers marked the inter and leaving cert papers first in the summer and then headed off to work on the building sites in England to pay their mortgages. We are all expecting to be regarded as indispensable now!

bleg · 02-12-2014 11:39PM

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Paco Rodriguez · 02-12-2014 11:41PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Who are the we you refer to?

Inspector Coptoor · 02-12-2014 11:47PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

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bleg wrote: »

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Is it?

Why is it a joke?

If it's perceived as a joke, how can it be deemed high stakes by the former and current Minster of education?

I agree with you that it should be abolished, IF it is not to be completely state assessed

Tilly · 02-12-2014 11:49PM

bleg wrote: »

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Why is it a joke?

stimpson · 02-12-2014 11:53PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

there is a difference to a lecturer correcting CA of a class of 100-300 that they see once maybe twice a week, and a teacher correcting the work of a class of 40-150 that they see everyday,

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

even in third level at exam time they don't know who's scripts they are correcting, they want to change this system in the junior cert to one where they do know who's they are correcting,

if you think a teachers kid is going to be marked the same in that school as joe nobody you will be mistaken!

So you're saying that the teachers are going on strike because they don't trust themselves to be fair when marking students?

Funny that this is the first time in over 30 years that they have gone on strike over something other than pay and conditions...unless you're a cynic like me and think this strike IS about pay and conditions.

Running Balance · 03-12-2014 12:01AM

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

Paz-CCFC · 03-12-2014 12:04AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status.

That's not true. All religious institutions may discriminate reasonably so as to protect their ethos. This is not limited to schools - for example, religious hospitals may do likewise.

A non-religious school would not be permitted to discriminate.

If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?

Because they might not disagree with the law (the actual law, by the way, not the one you misinterpreted and misrepresented).

Why? There's no money in it for them.

There could be a bit of money in it, actually. If the religious institutions law were repealed and the institutions kept on discriminating in the same fashion, it could open up a lot of (likely successful) equality cases.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

Your post is all about the chip on your shoulder against teachers. Don't let anyone be fooled.

The_Valeyard · 03-12-2014 12:05AM

Running Balance wrote: »

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

I asked a mate this today. It's some law or something that they could have 4-8 on the picket at a time and no more. So they were on a schedule. Not sure why, something to do with not being a mass protest.

Paulownia · 03-12-2014 12:10AM

Junior cert is the first real exam most children face for many it is a reality check for all an experience which helps target them for the leaving

Iused2likebusts · 03-12-2014 12:22AM

Running Balance wrote: »

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

All teachers did 1 or 2 hour slots on a roster basis. I dont see what the issue is with this.

end of the road · 03-12-2014 12:40AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

they do, but they don't have it as good as armchair workers think

eyescreamcone wrote: »

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.

the education system which they work in and know about, unlike people who are only worried about education when it means a day without the fre child care service yet will take the kids out during term time.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

i wouldn't blame them for wanting to keep it and protect it. we'd all do the same.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

along with the teachers themselves. but yeah i forgot, private sector workers are the only people who pay tax. grow up.

end of the road · 03-12-2014 12:55AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

They already correct students exams in 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th years + mocks.
Now the junior cert will be a glorified 3rd year exam.

i couldn't care a less. they are right and thats the end of it. the junior cert and leaving cert are the 2 most important exams, so ensuring impartiality in terms of correcting such exams is absolutely right, and should remain whatever the cost.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Get over the "awkwardness" please. Bosses in the real world have to tell adults that they are underperforming every day of the week.

again. who cares. this isn't work. this is school, where things are done differently for a reason. the teachers know what they are doing and talking about, unlike you who thinks because you are a private sector worker that you're better then everyone else, and that you know it all and that everything should operate like it does in your place of work. well you're not, it doesn't, it won't, it never will, and nor should it.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Grow up teachers and earn your golden salaries and pensions.

you grow up, and get it into your head that, they are earning them. by doing a job you haven't a clue about.

end of the road · 03-12-2014 12:59AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I'm for the cost cutting.

yeah. i bet you are. at the expence of the users of those services

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Our public services need to spend less.

they don't. spending less means severe cuts effecting those in need of such services.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

There is no need for a mini LCert a few years early anyway.

the education system says otherwise

end of the road · 03-12-2014 01:02AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

what are you doing about it. are you writing to your TD'S hi-lighting that you have an issue with this law and want for it to be changed? thought not. move along

eyescreamcone wrote: »

This strike is all about the money.

its all about ensuring continued impartiality when it comes to the correcting of the junior cert

Slicemeister · 03-12-2014 01:05AM

KeithM89 wrote: »

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Not to mention some of the eye candy on show. I nearly blew my horn;-)

end of the road · 03-12-2014 01:05AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

The truth will set you free!

yeah. it will. from those who know. not those who spout hatred and bile

Akrasia · 03-12-2014 01:07AM

Slicemeister wrote: »

Not to mention some of the eye candy on show. I nearly blew my horn;-)

Cheaper than going to Coppers

Ficheall · 03-12-2014 01:14AM

So.. What's the protest about? I'm not I'm Ireland at the moment and the news hasn't gone international..

Venus In Furs · 03-12-2014 01:16AM

The holidays and early finishes (of classes, but there are other things to do then) are great and I don't agree (at a very general, surface level - I'd be completely open to debate on that one) with extra pay for work during holiday time... but there is no way I would do that job!

JRant · 03-12-2014 01:29AM

Ficheall wrote: »

So.. What's the protest about? I'm not I'm Ireland at the moment and the news hasn't gone international..

Well it's not about the removal of SNA's from children who really need them and it's definitely not about younger teachers being shafted with greatly reduced terms.

The general jist of the more reasoned arguments put forward is that the new junior cycle, which was to be on a continually assessment basis is being rushed through with not enough time for training and preperation being given.

Personally I don't see it as an issue worthy of striking over. It's a mickey mouse exam that means the square root of feck all.

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 01:33AM

JRant wrote: »

Well it's not about the removal of SNA's from children who really need them and it's definitely not about younger teachers being shafted with greatly reduced terms.

The general jist of the more reasoned arguments put forward is that the new junior cycle, which was to be on a continually assessment basis is being rushed through with not enough time for training and preperation being given.

Personally I don't see it as an issue worthy of striking over. It's a mickey mouse exam that means the square root of feck all.

D-. You haven't revised the topic. Fcuk off to detention.

JRant · 03-12-2014 01:39AM

Cantremember wrote: »

D-. You haven't revised the topic. Fcuk off to detention.

I wasn't aware it was a test.

Or am I being continually assessed?

eyescreamcone · 03-12-2014 01:39AM

How much has todays strike helped the teacher's cause?

The government are about to cave in I'd say.

Let them out there until they beg to be left back in

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 01:44AM

JRant wrote: »

I wasn't aware it was a test.

Or am I being continually assessed?

It was. You are. In fact to save even more effort, assess yourself.

JRant · 03-12-2014 01:50AM

Cantremember wrote: »

It was. You are. In fact to save even more effort, assess yourself.

It's funny you should mention that but there are a number of studies outling the benefits of self-assessment.

With that in mind I'd have to give myself a C+. Don't want to be failing my Junior Boards exams.

end of the road · 03-12-2014 01:57AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

How much has todays strike helped the teacher's cause?

hopefully the continuation of a system that is working well.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

The government are about to cave in I'd say.

good. then we can get back to business.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Let them out there until they beg to be left back in

they will be out indefinitely so, meaning they're will be no education. they won't be begging thats for sure.

Cantremember · 03-12-2014 02:04AM

JRant wrote: »

It's funny you should mention that but there are a number of studies outling the benefits of self-assessment.

With that in mind I'd have to give myself a C+. Don't want to be failing my Junior Boards exams.

Appeal against your decision. In fact appeal to yourself against yourself. You deserve a B. Admit it.

Ficheall · 03-12-2014 02:18AM

"eyescreamcone wrote: »

Let them out there until they beg to be left back in

Was your family beaten to death with a textbook by a teacher, and then doled out in the school canteen?

jank · 03-12-2014 02:54AM

Teachers unions have gotten even more militant then before if that can be believed. Teachers had a great time during the boom, wages practically doubled yet reform was promised (lol, ya right) but never delivered. Personally I would be more concerned about poor teachers in full time gigs and no one can do anything about it. Those with means can circumvent it via grinds, those without are stuck with bad teachers.

Teacher Unions do not give a $hit about the students welfare. At least be honest about it. If it were the case then there would be hundreds extra teachers working in schools if only the unions agreed to jobbridge and before someone mentions Finland, do you realise that they are on half the wages as Irish Teachers?

Teachers on strike to save education system

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