Teachers on strike to save education system

mbur

One has to wonder why this government is so hell bent on destroying this one "public" system that actually works.

It reminds me of that old cartoon.

Monarch: We must educate the people so they may better serve the system.

Servant: Sire, We have educated the people, now they want to change the system.

Monarch: STOP THE EDUCATION.

Saipanne

Self interested teachers don't impress me.

Windorah

Saipanne wrote: »

Self interested teachers don't impress me.

Ah here we again now...

eyescreamcone

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Kevin McCloud

Sure they are off all summer.

Sheep Lover

Teachers do have it tough though, trying to fill all that spare time in the summer, Christmas and Easter must be hard going.

KeithM89

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Fr_Dougal

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Let's not forget who taught these private sector workers.

There has to be give and take, but more importantly; accountability.

Ronin247

Yeah, this is a way to ensure that your local politicians imbecile children will be able to finish school.

The one thing Fianna Failure couldn't corrupt was that their stupid kids got the exam results they deserved and not what daddy felt they should have. What next? go see your Fianna Failure politician and he will get your childs grades improved.

I don't have much time for striking teachers, but I have less time for politicians corrupting everything they touch.

stimpson

If teachers are so worried about the value of continuous assessment, one has to wonder how they managed to get through 3rd level education where it's the norm.

kneemos

The system works so less break it.

Mayo Yid

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

SpaceTime

I sincerely hope they marched up and down all afternoon and didn't go xmas shopping!
Anyone caught Xmas shopping will be put on detention on Friday and will have to write a 4 page essay about why going on strike is not an excuse to go shopping!

Hoboo

My brother is a teacher, and was forced to join me on the golf course all morning, until 3.10pm when he was scheduled to do his 40 minutes.

Hilarious. Same length of time as a class.

Still, we'd good craic.

lukesmom

What's the best thing about being a teacher???

June, July and August

anncoates

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

How dare you make a reasonable point without any retarded references to public servants and summer holidays.

gesler

spitting out their dummies again....

gesler

anncoates wrote: »

How dare you make a reasonable point without any retarded references to public servants and summer holidays.

Teachers union rep makes silly contribution avoiding point that strike makes no sense

Paulownia

KeithM89 wrote: »

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Wasn't it wonderful and it gave the teachers a chance to do some Christmas shopping. I bet the road to Newry was clogged with them spending money paid by Irish taxpayers to them in wages!!!

anncoates

gesler wrote: »

Teachers union rep

How not prescient.

The_Valeyard

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

So much wrong with this post...What are you on about??

There is still an exam, there will still be corrections. No change there.

All your teachers were public workers, you enjoy your private benefits from public education.


Seriously learn what they are protesting about before you comment.

RobbingBandit

They get week ends off too JOE, rabble rabble...

hoodwinked

stimpson wrote: »

If teachers are so worried about the value of continuous assessment, one has to wonder how they managed to get through 3rd level education where it's the norm.

there is a difference to a lecturer correcting CA of a class of 100-300 that they see once maybe twice a week, and a teacher correcting the work of a class of 40-150 that they see everyday,

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

even in third level at exam time they don't know who's scripts they are correcting, they want to change this system in the junior cert to one where they do know who's they are correcting,

if you think a teachers kid is going to be marked the same in that school as joe nobody you will be mistaken!

HIB

hoodwinked wrote: »

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

Too right. Doesn't matter what you think of teachers pay, pension or holidays. This proposed 'reform'/ cost cutting exercise is just plain wrong.

Glad the teachers are fighting it.

eyescreamcone

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

They already correct students exams in 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th years + mocks.
Now the junior cert will be a glorified 3rd year exam.
Get over the "awkwardness" please. Bosses in the real world have to tell adults that they are underperforming every day of the week.
Grow up teachers and earn your golden salaries and pensions.

FixdePitchmark

It is a joke of an issue.

Was listening to a few of the representatives on the radio - and it was pathetic really.

If they have an issue with pay (they were a bit shafted in cut backs) - just be honest and say it.

Again they are trying to take some sort of moral high ground - when it is a fake front.

Just be honest with issue - and if this is really the issue - a waste of a strike.

To add to all that - the maternity thing with teachers getting a year off or timing babies to academic year is a joke.

oppenheimer1

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

I bet if they got an extra payment for correcting these exams that the opposition among teachers would melt away.

Their mantra that its "all about the children" is simply PR spin. Teachers unions are entirely self interested.

eyescreamcone

HIB wrote: »

Too right. Doesn't matter what you think of teachers pay, pension or holidays. This proposed 'reform'/ cost cutting exercise is just plain wrong.

Glad the teachers are fighting it.

I'm for the cost cutting. Our public services need to spend less.
There is no need for a mini LCert a few years early anyway.

huey1975

I would love to join the teacher bashing like I normally do, but for once I agree with them. I was a good student but a few teachers didn't like my sometimes hilarious, puerile quips and I had a few discipline issues but I wouldn't like those teachers to say " Now I will teach that cheeky little bollox a lesson" when they are marking my exams

When we were in veterinary in ucd we voted on it and all of the lick arses and nerds wanted to live off their reputations of never missing practicals or lectures and generally missing out on the whole college experience but the majority felt you had a level playing field with anonymous marking.
I don't see any huge advantage in continuous assessment either, you hear lots af people saying how it's terrible putting all this pressure on one exam but ffs life is full of pressure situations, get used to it

anncoates

Funny how people pollute this forum and social media all day long about being charged for water or taxed to the hilt and call for action but when a bunch of workers responsible for the secondary education of us all (and the education of our children if we have then) take strike action on principle about education changes, they're denigrated from all sides in the most petty, irrelevant and mean spirited fashion.

eyescreamcone

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

Paulownia

God be with the days when teachers marked the inter and leaving cert papers first in the summer and then headed off to work on the building sites in England to pay their mortgages. We are all expecting to be regarded as indispensable now!

bleg

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Paco Rodriguez

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Who are the we you refer to?

Inspector Coptoor

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

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bleg wrote: »

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Is it?

Why is it a joke?

If it's perceived as a joke, how can it be deemed high stakes by the former and current Minster of education?

I agree with you that it should be abolished, IF it is not to be completely state assessed

Tilly

bleg wrote: »

The Junior cert is a joke of an exam and should be abolished.

Why is it a joke?

stimpson

hoodwinked wrote: »

there is a difference to a lecturer correcting CA of a class of 100-300 that they see once maybe twice a week, and a teacher correcting the work of a class of 40-150 that they see everyday,

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

even in third level at exam time they don't know who's scripts they are correcting, they want to change this system in the junior cert to one where they do know who's they are correcting,

if you think a teachers kid is going to be marked the same in that school as joe nobody you will be mistaken!

So you're saying that the teachers are going on strike because they don't trust themselves to be fair when marking students?

Funny that this is the first time in over 30 years that they have gone on strike over something other than pay and conditions...unless you're a cynic like me and think this strike IS about pay and conditions.

Running Balance

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

Paz-CCFC

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status.

That's not true. All religious institutions may discriminate reasonably so as to protect their ethos. This is not limited to schools - for example, religious hospitals may do likewise.

A non-religious school would not be permitted to discriminate.

If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?

Because they might not disagree with the law (the actual law, by the way, not the one you misinterpreted and misrepresented).

Why? There's no money in it for them.

There could be a bit of money in it, actually. If the religious institutions law were repealed and the institutions kept on discriminating in the same fashion, it could open up a lot of (likely successful) equality cases.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

Your post is all about the chip on your shoulder against teachers. Don't let anyone be fooled.

The_Valeyard

Running Balance wrote: »

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

I asked a mate this today. It's some law or something that they could have 4-8 on the picket at a time and no more. So they were on a schedule. Not sure why, something to do with not being a mass protest.

Paulownia

Junior cert is the first real exam most children face for many it is a reality check for all an experience which helps target them for the leaving

Iused2likebusts

Running Balance wrote: »

What I don't understand is why on the rte website where it had pics of the strikes at random schools why each picket only had 4-6 teachers.. Do secondary schools only have 7 teachers now (I m including the photographer as a teacher unless the care taker took it!!!)

All teachers did 1 or 2 hour slots on a roster basis. I dont see what the issue is with this.

end of the road

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

they do, but they don't have it as good as armchair workers think

eyescreamcone wrote: »

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.

the education system which they work in and know about, unlike people who are only worried about education when it means a day without the fre child care service yet will take the kids out during term time.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

i wouldn't blame them for wanting to keep it and protect it. we'd all do the same.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

along with the teachers themselves. but yeah i forgot, private sector workers are the only people who pay tax. grow up.

end of the road

eyescreamcone wrote: »

They already correct students exams in 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th years + mocks.
Now the junior cert will be a glorified 3rd year exam.

i couldn't care a less. they are right and thats the end of it. the junior cert and leaving cert are the 2 most important exams, so ensuring impartiality in terms of correcting such exams is absolutely right, and should remain whatever the cost.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Get over the "awkwardness" please. Bosses in the real world have to tell adults that they are underperforming every day of the week.

again. who cares. this isn't work. this is school, where things are done differently for a reason. the teachers know what they are doing and talking about, unlike you who thinks because you are a private sector worker that you're better then everyone else, and that you know it all and that everything should operate like it does in your place of work. well you're not, it doesn't, it won't, it never will, and nor should it.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Grow up teachers and earn your golden salaries and pensions.

you grow up, and get it into your head that, they are earning them. by doing a job you haven't a clue about.

end of the road

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I'm for the cost cutting.

yeah. i bet you are. at the expence of the users of those services

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Our public services need to spend less.

they don't. spending less means severe cuts effecting those in need of such services.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

There is no need for a mini LCert a few years early anyway.

the education system says otherwise

end of the road

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

what are you doing about it. are you writing to your TD'S hi-lighting that you have an issue with this law and want for it to be changed? thought not. move along

eyescreamcone wrote: »

This strike is all about the money.

its all about ensuring continued impartiality when it comes to the correcting of the junior cert

Slicemeister

KeithM89 wrote: »

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Not to mention some of the eye candy on show. I nearly blew my horn;-)

end of the road

eyescreamcone wrote: »

The truth will set you free!

yeah. it will. from those who know. not those who spout hatred and bile

Akrasia

Slicemeister wrote: »

Not to mention some of the eye candy on show. I nearly blew my horn;-)

Cheaper than going to Coppers

Ficheall

So.. What's the protest about? I'm not I'm Ireland at the moment and the news hasn't gone international..

Venus In Furs

The holidays and early finishes (of classes, but there are other things to do then) are great and I don't agree (at a very general, surface level - I'd be completely open to debate on that one) with extra pay for work during holiday time... but there is no way I would do that job!