Teachers on strike to save education system

mbur · 02-12-2014 10:43PM #1

One has to wonder why this government is so hell bent on destroying this one "public" system that actually works.

It reminds me of that old cartoon.

Monarch: We must educate the people so they may better serve the system.

Servant: Sire, We have educated the people, now they want to change the system.

Monarch: STOP THE EDUCATION.

Saipanne · 02-12-2014 10:44PM

Self interested teachers don't impress me.

Windorah · 02-12-2014 10:48PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Self interested teachers don't impress me.

Ah here we again now...

eyescreamcone · 02-12-2014 10:53PM

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Kevin McCloud · 02-12-2014 10:55PM

Sure they are off all summer.

Sheep Lover · 02-12-2014 10:55PM

Teachers do have it tough though, trying to fill all that spare time in the summer, Christmas and Easter must be hard going.

KeithM89 · 02-12-2014 10:57PM

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Fr_Dougal · 02-12-2014 10:57PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

Let's not forget who taught these private sector workers.

There has to be give and take, but more importantly; accountability.

Ronin247 · 02-12-2014 11:00PM

Yeah, this is a way to ensure that your local politicians imbecile children will be able to finish school.

The one thing Fianna Failure couldn't corrupt was that their stupid kids got the exam results they deserved and not what daddy felt they should have. What next? go see your Fianna Failure politician and he will get your childs grades improved.

I don't have much time for striking teachers, but I have less time for politicians corrupting everything they touch.

stimpson · 02-12-2014 11:02PM

If teachers are so worried about the value of continuous assessment, one has to wonder how they managed to get through 3rd level education where it's the norm.

kneemos · 02-12-2014 11:02PM

The system works so less break it.

Mayo Yid · 02-12-2014 11:09PM

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

SpaceTime · 02-12-2014 11:10PM

I sincerely hope they marched up and down all afternoon and didn't go xmas shopping!
Anyone caught Xmas shopping will be put on detention on Friday and will have to write a 4 page essay about why going on strike is not an excuse to go shopping!

Hoboo · 02-12-2014 11:10PM

My brother is a teacher, and was forced to join me on the golf course all morning, until 3.10pm when he was scheduled to do his 40 minutes.

Hilarious. Same length of time as a class.

Still, we'd good craic.

lukesmom · 02-12-2014 11:11PM

What's the best thing about being a teacher???

June, July and August

anncoates · 02-12-2014 11:11PM

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

How dare you make a reasonable point without any retarded references to public servants and summer holidays.

gesler · 02-12-2014 11:12PM

spitting out their dummies again....

gesler · 02-12-2014 11:13PM

anncoates wrote: »

How dare you make a reasonable point without any retarded references to public servants and summer holidays.

Teachers union rep makes silly contribution avoiding point that strike makes no sense

Paulownia · 02-12-2014 11:14PM

KeithM89 wrote: »

On the plus side, there was fuck all traffic this morning...

Wasn't it wonderful and it gave the teachers a chance to do some Christmas shopping. I bet the road to Newry was clogged with them spending money paid by Irish taxpayers to them in wages!!!

anncoates · 02-12-2014 11:15PM

gesler wrote: »

Teachers union rep

How not prescient.

The_Valeyard · 02-12-2014 11:17PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Teachers do not realise how good they have it.

They don't fool us with their cries about the education system.
We know it's all about the money.
The money they won't get for correcting the junior cert at present and the money they won't get for correcting the in house exams in future.

Teachers should remember that it's private sector workers who pay for their salaries for life and golden pensions.

So much wrong with this post...What are you on about??

There is still an exam, there will still be corrections. No change there.

All your teachers were public workers, you enjoy your private benefits from public education.

Seriously learn what they are protesting about before you comment.

RobbingBandit · 02-12-2014 11:18PM

They get week ends off too JOE, rabble rabble...

hoodwinked · 02-12-2014 11:18PM

stimpson wrote: »

If teachers are so worried about the value of continuous assessment, one has to wonder how they managed to get through 3rd level education where it's the norm.

there is a difference to a lecturer correcting CA of a class of 100-300 that they see once maybe twice a week, and a teacher correcting the work of a class of 40-150 that they see everyday,

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

even in third level at exam time they don't know who's scripts they are correcting, they want to change this system in the junior cert to one where they do know who's they are correcting,

if you think a teachers kid is going to be marked the same in that school as joe nobody you will be mistaken!

HIB · 02-12-2014 11:23PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

secondary by default has always had a problem with teachers playing favorites and this will only make it worse.

Too right. Doesn't matter what you think of teachers pay, pension or holidays. This proposed 'reform'/ cost cutting exercise is just plain wrong.

Glad the teachers are fighting it.

eyescreamcone · 02-12-2014 11:25PM

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

They already correct students exams in 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th years + mocks.
Now the junior cert will be a glorified 3rd year exam.
Get over the "awkwardness" please. Bosses in the real world have to tell adults that they are underperforming every day of the week.
Grow up teachers and earn your golden salaries and pensions.

FixdePitchmark · 02-12-2014 11:26PM

It is a joke of an issue.

Was listening to a few of the representatives on the radio - and it was pathetic really.

If they have an issue with pay (they were a bit shafted in cut backs) - just be honest and say it.

Again they are trying to take some sort of moral high ground - when it is a fake front.

Just be honest with issue - and if this is really the issue - a waste of a strike.

To add to all that - the maternity thing with teachers getting a year off or timing babies to academic year is a joke.

oppenheimer1 · 02-12-2014 11:29PM

Mayo Yid wrote: »

They actually have a point, examining should be anonymous and external, puts them in an awkward position with people they deal with day to day

I bet if they got an extra payment for correcting these exams that the opposition among teachers would melt away.

Their mantra that its "all about the children" is simply PR spin. Teachers unions are entirely self interested.

eyescreamcone · 02-12-2014 11:31PM

HIB wrote: »

Too right. Doesn't matter what you think of teachers pay, pension or holidays. This proposed 'reform'/ cost cutting exercise is just plain wrong.

Glad the teachers are fighting it.

I'm for the cost cutting. Our public services need to spend less.
There is no need for a mini LCert a few years early anyway.

huey1975 · 02-12-2014 11:32PM

I would love to join the teacher bashing like I normally do, but for once I agree with them. I was a good student but a few teachers didn't like my sometimes hilarious, puerile quips and I had a few discipline issues but I wouldn't like those teachers to say " Now I will teach that cheeky little bollox a lesson" when they are marking my exams

When we were in veterinary in ucd we voted on it and all of the lick arses and nerds wanted to live off their reputations of never missing practicals or lectures and generally missing out on the whole college experience but the majority felt you had a level playing field with anonymous marking.
I don't see any huge advantage in continuous assessment either, you hear lots af people saying how it's terrible putting all this pressure on one exam but ffs life is full of pressure situations, get used to it

anncoates · 02-12-2014 11:33PM

Funny how people pollute this forum and social media all day long about being charged for water or taxed to the hilt and call for action but when a bunch of workers responsible for the secondary education of us all (and the education of our children if we have then) take strike action on principle about education changes, they're denigrated from all sides in the most petty, irrelevant and mean spirited fashion.

eyescreamcone · 02-12-2014 11:36PM

Teaching jobs are the only jobs where the employer is allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender, sexual orientation or marital status. If teachers really wanted some high moral ground why don't they strike to change that law?
Why? There's no money in it for them.

This strike is all about the money. Don't let anyone be fooled.

Teachers on strike to save education system

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