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Britain bans sex acts in porn

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  • #212
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    GarIT wrote: »
    And you're saying porn isn't of a high enough standard, maybe it needs HD? Most of the things listed have been shown in the last 2 Bond films by the way.

    I'll have to rewatch them so, I missed the bit where Daniel Craig had his face sat on before being double teamed by the Bond girls. :D

    (....now there's an idea)


  • #213
    Lurching
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Lurching


    RayM wrote: »
    The thread title is a bit misleading - "Britain bans sex acts in porn"

    I have visions of a woman calling a plumber, and he fixes the washing machine, has a cup of tea, charges her £75 and then leaves.

    They'll be banning moustaches soon too. Just you watch.


  • #214
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    I'm questioning whether it's been "proven" to influence people to become sex criminals.

    As I've been saying throughout the thread all of society has an influence. If we're going to stop oppression, abuse, sex crimes, rape, injustice and intolerance then nothing is exempt from analysis. I don't think anyone doubts the fact that media has an influence, so why shouldn't it be looked at?


  • #215
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    A much healthier attitude than hide things that some people do would be to educate kids that there is a wide variety of things that they can do and teach them how to be careful about it.

    11 years ago I was told blowjobs were something gay people can do to have sex because they have no vagina. And that came from the mouth of a medically trained employee of the HSE.


  • #216
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    No squirting and fisting?!:eek:

    What am I supposed to watch now? :(


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  • #217
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    As I've been saying throughout the thread all of society has an influence. If we're going to stop oppression, abuse, sex crimes, rape, injustice and intolerance then nothing is exempt from analysis. I don't think anyone doubts the fact that media has an influence, so why shouldn't it be looked at?

    First you say the media has influence, now society, you have change your argument from their being proof to nobody doubts it. I doubt it, I would like to see your proof please. As you said there is proof that sex crimes were influenced by the media so proof on exactly that would be great thanks.

    Also there are numerous studies that show rape is an act of violence and has nothing to do with sex at all.


  • #218
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    I think the amount of sex crimes and the proven influence of the media can't be ignored. And by media here I don't just mean pornography, but all media.

    Media does cause crimes. All those kids that committed suicide because of Judas Priest. Kids who worshipped the devil because of Ozzy. all those Satanist sacrifices from role playing. Not to mention mass murderers from computer games.


  • #219
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    GarIT wrote: »
    A much healthier attitude than hide things that some people do would be to educate kids that there is a wide variety of things that they can do and teach them how to be careful about it.

    exactly!! 'Here are all your options, this is how it all works, now go figure out what you like, be careful, have fun!!'

    That is what the male Wexie jr. will be told, the females will be in a boarding school in Switzerland, they're not allowed to date or have boobies until they're 21 :mad:
    GarIT wrote: »
    11 years ago I was told blowjobs were something gay people can do to have sex because they have no vagina. And that came from the mouth of a medically trained employee of the HSE.

    You were told this in 2003? :eek:

    That's probably cause she didn't want to have to swallow


  • #220
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    As I've been saying throughout the thread all of society has an influence. If we're going to stop oppression, abuse, sex crimes, rape, injustice and intolerance then nothing is exempt from analysis. I don't think anyone doubts the fact that media has an influence, so why shouldn't it be looked at?

    I agree. The media and society as a whole does influence people, and to varying extents. It's always worth looking at. However, I'd question whether this influence would be great enough so as to encourage someone to commit a sex crime.

    Maybe I mistook your context initially, but my impression was that you were saying that it's been proven that the media influences the amount of sex crimes?


  • #221
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    It's a wonder they didn't ban gay porn considering how much more likely gay men are to transmit and acquire HIV


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  • #222
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Grayson wrote: »
    Media does cause crimes. All those kids that committed suicide because of Judas Priest. Kids who worshipped the devil because of Ozzy. all those Satanist sacrifices from role playing. Not to mention mass murderers from computer games.

    Do you remember the spate of car rampages all over the world when Carmaggeddon was out?

    .....

    Yeah me neither


  • #223
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It's a wonder they didn't ban gay porn considering how much more likely gay men are to transmit and acquire HIV

    whut?

    .....

    How are you accessing the internet from the 80's?


  • #224
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    GarIT wrote: »
    First you say the media has influence, now society, you have change your argument from their being proof to nobody doubts it. I doubt it, I would like to see your proof please. As you said there is proof that sex crimes were influenced by the media so proof on exactly that would be great thanks.

    Read literally any book on psychological development and the factors that influence it, especially during adolescence. Read any sociological introductory text on crime and deviancy.
    Also there are numerous studies that show rape is an act of violence and has nothing to do with sex at all.

    I wonder if depictions of violent sex have an influence then, don't you?


  • #225
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    mad muffin wrote: »
    No squirting and fisting?!:eek:

    What am I supposed to watch now? :(

    I remember when I once Googled what fisting was, I mean to each their own and all but why oh why is that seen as something fun?! :eek:

    People are unique!:o


  • #226
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,197 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Its a strange list. I wonder how they decided that píssing on each other was to be banned, but shítting on each other is perfectly fine?


  • #227
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    wexie wrote: »
    whut?

    .....

    How are you accessing the internet from the 80's?

    havent you seen interstellar? hes using a wormhole


  • #228
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Roquentin wrote: »
    hes using a wormhole

    That's banned now too.


  • #229
    looking_around
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    Vomit wrote: »
    Nothing wrong here- A lot of those things are nasty and demeaning toward women, and having it in porn will give young people a pretty warped sense of what should be the norm.

    female ejaculation is demeaning to woman?

    well I'll be damned, no more good sex for me :(


  • #230
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    Read literally any book on psychological development and the factors that influence it, especially during adolescence. Read any sociological introductory text on crime and deviancy.



    I wonder if depictions of violent sex have an influence then, don't you?

    Let's not wonder, let's prove before engaging in censorship.


  • #231
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    wexie wrote: »
    whut?

    .....

    How are you accessing the internet from the 80's?

    :rolleyes:
    The data, which identified MSM as men who have engaged sexually with another man within the last five years, revealed that MSM are over 44 times more likely than other men to contract HIV, and over 40 times more likely than women to contract HIV. Further, MSM were over 46 times more likely to contract syphilis than other men, and over 71 times more likely than women to contract syphilis.

    http://www.gmhc.org/news-and-events/press-releases/gay-men-44-times-more-likely-to-get-hiv


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  • #232
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    I agree. The media and society as a whole does influence people, and to varying extents. It's always worth looking at. However, I'd question whether this influence would be great enough so as to encourage someone to commit a sex crime.

    Maybe I mistook your context initially, but my impression was that you were saying that it's been proven that the media influences the amount of sex crimes?

    No. I was talking about the effects the media has on a sociological level and the effects media has on adolescent development. I'm not saying that watching Babysitter Sluts Titfest 3 results in someone running out and motorboating a pair of boobs rather they influence the context people put sex in and the attitude people take to their sexual interactions.

    I have no doubt that there are some people who become obsessed with certain things and follow that through to a criminal action, but those are rather acute cases. I'm far more worried about how society and the media has a broad effect on sexual interactions. Both feminism and the men's rights movement are looking at the effect media has on how people view their bodies, how people relate to sex, and the standards they set that are nigh on unachievable for a lot of people. I really didn't think anyone wouldn't think this needs to be looked at. I'm actually quite surprised to the resistance to this. My ideas aren't new ideas by any stretch of the imagination.


  • #233
    Vojera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Vojera


    GarIT wrote: »
    Also there are numerous studies that show rape is an act of violence and has nothing to do with sex at all.
    This! Surely if objects "associated with violence" are banned, and rape can involve the penis, or fingers, or any other object, then in fact the British porn industry now has to avoid showing penetration altogether?


  • #234
    batnolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭batnolan


    A group of middle aged prudes huddled around a laptop looking at various categories on pornhub deciding what they find disgusting is a hilarious image! Much like some homophobes are actually gay themselves, you can damn well bet that these prudes have the same fetishes of which they banned.


  • #235
    AlanS181824
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    My name is URL wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    The data, which identified MSM as men who have engaged sexually with another man within the last five years, revealed that MSM are over 44 times more likely than other men to contract HIV, and over 40 times more likely than women to contract HIV. Further, MSM were over 46 times more likely to contract syphilis than other men, and over 71 times more likely than women to contract syphilis.

    http://www.gmhc.org/news-and-events/press-releases/gay-men-44-times-more-likely-to-get-hiv

    Poor Microsoft!

    Edit: No wait, that said MSM not MSN.....


  • #236
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    Read literally any book on psychological development and the factors that influence it, especially during adolescence. Read any sociological introductory text on crime and deviancy.



    I wonder if depictions of violent sex have an influence then, don't you?

    The media surely has an influence but I don't see it convincing people to commit sex crimes.

    To be honest I'm not interested in discussing the issue with anybody that claims to have proof of something and provides poor anecdotal evidence at best.


  • #237
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Let's not wonder, let's prove before engaging on censorship.

    I agree. I would much rather have healthy and open discussions about sex, consent, and relationships than have to censor anything. I still think the investigation into what the effects of violent pornography are (and the effects of anything,) because otherwise we can't have any healthy or open discussion about it.

    I do think it's appalling how many people think they're impervious to the effects of the media and broader society. Like they're free from influence. No-one is.


  • #238
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    A lot of people here seem upset that people are telling them that wanting to look at women being smacked around the place for their sexual gratification is not on. Very revealing.


  • #239
    looking_around
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    Vomit wrote: »
    The people who see nothing wrong and are into this stuff (Choking, spanking etc): Ask yourselves- were you into it before or after you saw it in porn? Chicken and egg here.

    And by 'young people' I'm talking about people old enough to see porn (18, 19, 20).

    yes

    In fact, I first started fantasising about being beaten at 14 years old.

    I used to, no joke here, imagine meeting someone in a random nightclub, and having them ravish me right there. Shoving me against the wall. Choking me, then to beatings and hair pulling, all while being fcuked.

    I don't have any idea where that came from, but I know I love pain play.
    The only porn I've ever watched, is as a kid those channels with gals saying "call this number for chat xxxx" and as an adult, some hentai, normally sweet loving stuff, in fact, I actually shy away from the more violent scenes. But in reality, I love it.
    I do like reading erotica though.

    In fact aggressive sex, is very "animalistic" and probably more natural than society wants to admit.


  • #240
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    A lot of people here seem upset that people are telling them that wanting to look at women being smacked around the place for their sexual gratification is not on. Very revealing.

    As far as I'm aware, the most watched genre of S&M porn by men is overwhelmingly female dominant, male submissive. But okay...


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  • #241
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    A lot of people here seem upset that people are telling them that wanting to look at women being smacked around the place for their sexual gratification is not on. Very revealing.


    They're ACTORS Aongus. It's not real.

    Grown adults that can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, also very revealing.


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