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Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

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  • #1352
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    There is no enlightening you.
    Your only purpose in participating in this thread is to try and bait posters who are merely making clear the uncomfortable fact that sky high rates of black on white crime go largely unreported nationally/globally in comparison to the few white on black incidents.

    So my suggestion to the poster being targeting here is: don't bother trying to reason with this person as facts are of no interest to them. His act is only a thinly veiled trap to have you done as a "racist" for merely pointing out facts. When I received an infraction a time ago it was during an engagement with this very poster. Just a word to the wise ;)

    You must remember, some of us are so profoundly enlightened that we are blinded by our own luminescence.


  • #1353
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    There is no enlightening you.
    Your only purpose in participating in this thread is to try and bait posters who are merely making clear the uncomfortable fact that sky high rates of black on white crime go largely unreported nationally/globally in comparison to the few white on black incidents.

    ...ignoring the fact that the shooter was not in fact charged, thus making it a rather different proposition.


  • #1354
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    The Bosnian community in SL are wondering why there is no media coverage of Begics horrific murder; http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/

    The racism industry isn't interested in white people being killed, tough luck for Mr Begic.


  • #1355
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...ignoring the fact that the shooter was not in fact charged, thus making it a rather different proposition.

    So you recognise that the shooting of M Brown was not a crime?


  • #1356
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    So you recognise that the shooting of M Brown was not a crime?


    ...he wasn't charged is what I said. Whether a crime was committed or not is another matter.


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  • #1357
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    What authority do you consider higher and more qualified than the grand jury that examined hours of testimony and hundreds of pages of evidence?


  • #1358
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    What authority do you consider higher and more qualified than the grand jury that examined hours of testimony and hundreds of pages of evidence?

    A prosecutor and grand jury from outside the area in question.


  • #1359
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    What part of the evidence do you think justifies an exceptional measure such as that?


  • #1360
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    What part of the evidence do you think justifies an exceptional measure such as that?


    The affilliations and leanings of the prosecutor, his office, and the members of the grand jury are the issue.


  • #1361
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    So your objections to the decision reached are not based on the facts of the case?


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  • #1362
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Nodin wrote: »
    A prosecutor and grand jury from outside the area in question.

    Such as?


  • #1363
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    So your objections to the decision reached are not based on the facts of the case?

    Facts are rendered subjective by their audience and interpretation varies depending on presentation. As a result, it would have been best to get an 'out of town' process to determine whether or not their would have been a prosecution.


  • #1364
    Magico Gonzalez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    Sand wrote: »
    So your objections to the decision reached are not based on the facts of the case?

    How obtuse! Obviously the objections here are around the dubious impartiality of the prosecutor, his office and the grand jury.

    That much is clear.

    It boils down to whether you accept that those parties were capable of reaching an impartial decision.

    Personally I find it unlikely.


  • #1365
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    Facts are rendered subjective by their audience and interpretation varies depending on presentation. As a result, it would have been best to get an 'out of town' process to determine whether or not their would have been a prosecution.

    And in your interpretation, what part of the evidence do you think justifies an exceptional measure such as that?


  • #1366
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    And in your interpretation, what part of the evidence do you think justifies an exceptional measure such as that?

    All of it, rather obviously.


  • #1367
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    How obtuse! Obviously the objections here are around the dubious impartiality of the prosecutor, his office and the grand jury.

    That much is clear.

    Obviously. There is certainly no grounds for objecting to the judgement on the facts of the case.
    It boils down to whether you accept that those parties were capable of reaching an impartial decision.

    Personally I find it unlikely.

    The evidence is so overwhelmingly clear that I cant see how partiality was an issue.


  • #1368
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    All of it, rather obviously.

    Have you read any of the evidence?


  • #1369
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    Have you read any of the evidence?

    Some of it. However me reading it here means nothing. It's how it's presented to, and read by, a jury in the states that matters.

    Whats your objection to an outside grand jury and prosecutor?


  • #1370
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    Some of it. However me reading it here means nothing. It's how it's presented to, and read by, a jury in the states that matters.

    Whats your objection to an outside grand jury and prosecutor?

    So can you present any single piece of it that justifies an exceptional measure like an outside jury and prosecutor?


  • #1371
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Nodin wrote: »
    Some of it. However me reading it here means nothing. It's how it's presented to, and read by, a jury in the states that matters.

    Whats your objection to an outside grand jury and prosecutor?

    That is one of the most patronising things I've had to read on here today.

    Maybe you should go and hold those slack-jaws' hands to make sure they read the evidence "the right way" i.e, your way.

    They don't go for outside juries or prosecutors because their institutions are solid enough to deal with this sort of thing.


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  • #1372
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    So can you present any single piece of it that justifies an exceptional measure like an outside jury and prosecutor?

    I've explained this back here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93267817&postcount=1363

    Why do you object to an outside jury and prosecution team?


  • #1373
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    I've explained this back here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93267817&postcount=1363

    Why do you object to an outside jury and prosecution team?

    Wouldn't it be fair to say Nodin that you actually cant present a single bit of evidence to justify any exceptional measure like an external jury?


  • #1374
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be fair to say Nodin that you actually cant present a single bit of evidence to justify any exceptional measure like an external jury?

    I've already explained this.

    What is your objection to an outside prosecution team and jury?


  • #1375
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Nodin wrote: »
    I've already explained this.

    You've explained you believe the members of the grand jury and the prosecutors to be irredeemably biased.

    It is not a reasonable explanation. It is in fact an indication of your own racialist tendencies against those people.


  • #1376
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Nodin wrote: »
    I've already explained this.

    What is your objection to an outside prosecution team and jury?

    Can you explain how complaining about standard investigative process being observed addresses your inability to point to any evidence at all that might indicate the judgement was faulty?


  • #1377
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    catallus wrote: »
    You've explained you believe the members of the grand jury and the prosecutors to be irredeemably biased..

    I believe it a distinct possibility.
    catallus wrote: »
    It is not a reasonable explanation..

    Given the prosecutions ties to the police, I'd say it is.
    catallus wrote: »
    It is in fact an indication of your own racialist tendencies against those people.

    Fascinating, do please explain.


  • #1378
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    Can you explain how complaining about standard investigative process being observed addresses your inability to point to any evidence at all that might indicate the judgement was faulty?


    I'm not going to go through the whole thing again. I fail to see why this couldn't have been handled by a neutral party outside of the area. You are so confident the evidence will stand up to scrutiny, I don't know why you have a problem with the notion.


  • #1379
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Sand wrote: »
    What part of the evidence do you think justifies an exceptional measure such as that?
    every bit of it. bring it before a court of law as well

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1380
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Nodin wrote: »

    Fascinating, do please explain.

    "Fascinating"?

    You know how to read? There's nothing at all "fascinating" about your transparent attempts to slander that grand jury or those prosecutors.

    Your main motivation is your inclination against the authorities.


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  • #1381
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    catallus wrote: »
    "Fascinating"?

    You know how to read? There's nothing at all "fascinating" about your transparent attempts to slander that grand jury or those prosecutors.

    Your main motivation is your inclination against the authorities.

    I thought I was motivated by racism, according to your last post. Which is it?


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