Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

RDM_83 again · 30-11-2014 07:06PM

Sand wrote: »

A calmer media response might have served to support an outcome with less violence and damage to Ferguson. It could also have served to ensure the Ferguson movement was not discredited and thrown off track by its association with rioting and thuggery. There are genuine questions to be raised on if the balance is right on police training and authority to use deadly force. While in individual cases like these two, the police officer may be cleared of any wrongdoing, its not sufficient to leave it at that and move on. One thing that strikes me about both cases is that Wilson and Austin were both alone when confronted with a violent threat - having no partner with them is clearly going to ramp up their sense of being threatened and their move to deadly force as a response.

Yeah thats a very good point, its interesting to see the different approach the PSNI, its rare to see a cop on their own in the North and in most situations they would be in groups of 3. I'm not sure a semi militarised police force is the answer and lord knows policing in Northern Ireland has its issues but they do have an awareness that you can't reach for the gun first because there is consequences.
I saw the cops take down a guy with a sword one night, they just piled onto him and took him straight down, if they had taken the response that seems to be standard in the USA and unloaded their MP5's and Glocks because he was in possession of a lethal weapon there would have been tensions etc as it was I don't think it even made the papers.

RobYourBuilder · 30-11-2014 07:13PM

Sand wrote: »

He will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life in case any "activist" decides to mete out the justice they feel the law did not. He did nothing wrong as demonstrated by the facts of the case but he's got that hanging over him. I wouldn't envy his life.

He has a kid on the way too. I'd emigrate if I were him. Seven figures in the bank, probably a police pension and more donations to come. Move somewhere in the EU, set up a smallish business to keep things ticking over and he's sorted.

end of the road · 30-11-2014 07:19PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

These protests are ridiculous. A shoplifting thug with a juvenile charge for second degree murder and association with the crips is dead. The world is a better place without him. It's no surprise the parents are playing the race card they must be making a fortune on the talk show circuit. He appears to have been a piece of sh*t, good riddance. As for these 'race protests', who the fcuk is dumb enough to take seriously a mob who are looting their own neighbourhoods. Bunch of twats.

I saw one woman pose the question 'what am I gonna tell my son when he's older?', in relation to the officer not being charged. Simple answer there love, tell you're kid not to be a shoplifting, thuggish piece of sh*t and not to assault cops so he won't get shot. People keep making this kind of thing about race, as though there are marauding cops driving around looking to murder innocent black people, bullsh*t, the black people getting killed are doing things that get them shot, it's not about colour, it's about sheer fcukwittery.

no, she should tell them that there are marauding cops driving around looking to murder innocent black people. they're was no assault on a cop, it was a little struggle and nothing more

Carlos Orange · 30-11-2014 07:41PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Yeah thats a very good point, its interesting to see the different approach the PSNI, its rare to see a cop on their own in the North and in most situations they would be in groups of 3.

I don't know if that is so much a difference in approach as a difference in resources. NI has 50% more police per capita than Ferguson.

Killer Wench · 30-11-2014 08:01PM

The St. Louis Rams have dedicated their game to the Ferguson protesters.

https://twitter.com/autonomyroad/status/539119319628529664/photo/1

http://www.thescore.com/news/645245

And, the Ferguson protesters are leading in the TIME Person of the Year poll:

http://time.com/3562201/time-person-of-the-year-poll-results/

DarkyHughes · 30-11-2014 08:05PM

psinno wrote: »

I don't know if that is so much a difference in approach as a difference in resources. NI has 50% more police per capita than Ferguson.

That's probably because people in Ferguson want don't to join a SS style force that goes around murdering who ever they want.

DarkyHughes · 30-11-2014 08:10PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

He has a kid on the way too. I'd emigrate if I were him. Seven figures in the bank, probably a police pension and more donations to come. Move somewhere in the EU, set up a smallish business to keep things ticking over and he's sorted.

Yeah, he could join one of those neo-Nazi parties in Greece

Carlos Orange · 30-11-2014 08:15PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

That's probably because people in Ferguson want don't to join a SS style force that goes around murdering who ever they want.

I can tell you have a deep grasp of the historical comparison you are making.

DarkyHughes · 30-11-2014 08:15PM

Sand wrote: »

He will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life in case any "activist" decides to mete out the justice they feel the law did not. He did nothing wrong as demonstrated by the facts of the case but he's got that hanging over him. I wouldn't envy his life.

It is hard to do anything wrong when your a police officer living in a police state. St. Louis police since 2005 have killed 14 people without one officer being charged.

Sand · 30-11-2014 08:32PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

It is hard to do anything wrong when your a police officer living in a police state. St. Louis police since 2005 have killed 14 people without one officer being charged.

Without knowing the details of each case, and without you explaining why you consider any of the judgements faulty, I will assume no officer was charged because no officer committed a crime. I'll also take a wild guess that most if not all of those 14 people were themselves committing a crime when killed.

I will point out that in the time period between 2005 and 2012, 1,078 people were violently killed in St. Louis. I haven't located figures for 2013 and 2014 but assuming the annual average over 2005 and 2012 was maintained, you are looking at in or around 1,347 violent killings in St. Louis since 2005. Your 14 killings is roughly 1% of that. So killings by cops are barely a drop in the ocean of violent crime in St. Louis. Meanwhile, since 2005 6 St. Louis police officers were killed.

Police being armed and police shooting people is a reflection of the society they are policing. Unfortunately. St.Louis back in 2006 for example was ranked as one of the, if not the, most violent and dangerous cities in the US. The police are not the ones causing the violence, despite all the hysteria.

DarkyHughes · 30-11-2014 08:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, she should tell them that there are marauding cops driving around looking to murder innocent black people. they're was no assault on a cop, it was a little struggle and nothing more

There's so many evil, nasty ass&oles on this site. Wonder what their is excuse for the "police" officer who murdered the 12 year old kid in Cleavland last week.

suicide_circus · 30-11-2014 08:39PM

No no! Its the cracker cops roaming the streets looking for innocent black teens to shoot

crockholm · 30-11-2014 09:31PM

Sand wrote: »

Without knowing the details of each case, and without you explaining why you consider any of the judgements faulty, I will assume no officer was charged because no officer committed a crime. I'll also take a wild guess that most if not all of those 14 people were themselves committing a crime when killed.

I will point out that in the time period between 2005 and 2012, 1,078 people were violently killed in St. Louis. I haven't located figures for 2013 and 2014 but assuming the annual average over 2005 and 2012 was maintained, you are looking at in or around 1,347 violent killings in St. Louis since 2005. Your 14 killings is roughly 1% of that. So killings by cops are barely a drop in the ocean of violent crime in St. Louis. Meanwhile, since 2005 6 St. Louis police officers were killed.

Police being armed and police shooting people is a reflection of the society they are policing. Unfortunately. St.Louis back in 2006 for example was ranked as one of the, if not the, most violent and dangerous cities in the US. The police are not the ones causing the violence, despite all the hysteria.

As of Nov.21, SL had 133 homicides giving it a murder rate of 41.80 murders per 100,000-en route to being in the top 3 murder Capitals for cities of over 100,000 people along with New Orleans and Detroit-the ol' reliables

The Aussie · 30-11-2014 10:10PM

end of the road wrote: »

they're was no assault on a cop, it was a little struggle and nothing more

Little Struggle = an Assault.

Do you go out of you way to find new levels... :rolleyes:

Secondly, were you there???

We both know the answer to that...:rolleyes:

evo2000 · 30-11-2014 11:20PM

Sand wrote: »

Without knowing the details of each case, and without you explaining why you consider any of the judgements faulty, I will assume no officer was charged because no officer committed a crime. I'll also take a wild guess that most if not all of those 14 people were themselves committing a crime when killed.

I will point out that in the time period between 2005 and 2012, 1,078 people were violently killed in St. Louis. I haven't located figures for 2013 and 2014 but assuming the annual average over 2005 and 2012 was maintained, you are looking at in or around 1,347 violent killings in St. Louis since 2005. Your 14 killings is roughly 1% of that. So killings by cops are barely a drop in the ocean of violent crime in St. Louis. Meanwhile, since 2005 6 St. Louis police officers were killed.

Police being armed and police shooting people is a reflection of the society they are policing. Unfortunately. St.Louis back in 2006 for example was ranked as one of the, if not the, most violent and dangerous cities in the US. The police are not the ones causing the violence, despite all the hysteria.

This was just an epic beat down of all the other counter arguements! please just close the thread this has just destroyed all the other daft arguements!

/Thread

Amazingfun · 01-12-2014 05:47AM

Zemir Begic, age 32, beaten to death in St. Louis by hammer wielding "juveniles" :

ST. LOUIS, MO (KPLR)-Police are investigating an overnight homicide in south St. Louis. It happened around 1:15am Sunday on Gravois and Itaska, near Bevo Mill. A man, identified as Zemir Begic, 32, was struck on the head, face, mouth, and abdomen. He was taken to a hospital where he died of his injuries.

An investigation determined that Begic was in his car when several juveniles came up on foot and began to strike the car. Begic got out and the four suspects began yelling at him and hitting him with hammers. After the assault, the four ran away.

Two were caught and taken into juvenile custody. Police are still searching for two others, a 16-year-old black male and a 15-year-old Hispanic.

Begic and his wife pictured here. Apparently they were newly-wed, married only six months ago:
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Zemir-Begic-665x385.jpg

http://kplr11.com/2014/11/30/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-hammers/

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/30/man-beaten-to-death-with-hammer-in-st-louis/

Nodin · 01-12-2014 06:03AM

And your point?

RobYourBuilder · 01-12-2014 08:46AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Zemir Begic, age 32, beaten to death in St. Louis by hammer wielding "juveniles" :

Begic and his wife pictured here. Apparently they were newly-wed, married only six months ago:
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Zemir-Begic-665x385.jpg

http://kplr11.com/2014/11/30/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-hammers/

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/30/man-beaten-to-death-with-hammer-in-st-louis/

The Bosnian community in SL are wondering why there is no media coverage of Begics horrific murder; http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/

Radly · 01-12-2014 10:19AM

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, its almost as if we know something.......

It would seem not

Nodin wrote: »

And your point?

Your post comes across a bit thick tbh. Given the subject of this thread, can you honestly not see the point he was making?

Nodin · 01-12-2014 12:23PM

Radly wrote: »

It would seem not

Your post comes across a bit thick tbh. Given the subject of this thread, can you honestly not see the point he was making?

Nope. Do enlighten me.

jank · 01-12-2014 01:34PM

We should get our crayons out....

catallus · 01-12-2014 01:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nope. Do enlighten me.

The point is that there are some out there who are so cowardly and fearful of authority that they'll gladly pelt shít at anyone who dares to say they might be losing control of society.

Hope that clears that up.

Amazingfun · 01-12-2014 01:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nope. Do enlighten me.

There is no enlightening you.
Your only purpose in participating in this thread is to try and bait posters who are merely making clear the uncomfortable fact that sky high rates of black on white crime go largely unreported nationally/globally in comparison to the few white on black incidents.

So my suggestion to the poster being targeting here is: don't bother trying to reason with this person as facts are of no interest to them. His act is only a thinly veiled trap to have you done as a "racist" for merely pointing out facts. When I received an infraction a time ago it was during an engagement with this very poster. Just a word to the wise

Yarf Yarf · 01-12-2014 02:06PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

These protests are ridiculous. A shoplifting thug with a juvenile charge for second degree murder and association with the crips is dead. The world is a better place without him. It's no surprise the parents are playing the race card they must be making a fortune on the talk show circuit. He appears to have been a piece of sh*t, good riddance. As for these 'race protests', who the fcuk is dumb enough to take seriously a mob who are looting their own neighbourhoods. Bunch of twats.

I saw one woman pose the question 'what am I gonna tell my son when he's older?', in relation to the officer not being charged. Simple answer there love, tell you're kid not to be a shoplifting, thuggish piece of sh*t and not to assault cops so he won't get shot. People keep making this kind of thing about race, as though there are marauding cops driving around looking to murder innocent black people, bullsh*t, the black people getting killed are doing things that get them shot, it's not about colour, it's about sheer fcukwittery.

When did shoplifting become a capital offence?

Amazingfun · 01-12-2014 02:11PM

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

When did shoplifting become a capital offence?

Michael Brown wasn't shot for shoplifting.
He was shot for attacking a police officer and trying to remove his firearm, as you and everyone capable of digesting facts is only too well aware.

Sclosages · 01-12-2014 02:19PM

Yarf Yarf wrote: »

When did shoplifting become a capital offence?

Well now there is an actual post which hits the crux of the matter. One simple question.

In the words of a poster above me.......

/thread

Earl Turner · 01-12-2014 02:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, she should tell them that there are marauding cops driving around looking to murder innocent black people. they're was no assault on a cop, it was a little struggle and nothing more

Or she could tell him to stay in school, get good grades, work hard and go to college and get out of the hood (where he's far more likely to get shot by other blacks). But no, why do that when you can just blame whitey?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 01-12-2014 06:01PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

There is no enlightening you.
Your only purpose in participating in this thread is to try and bait posters who are merely making clear the uncomfortable fact that sky high rates of black on white crime go largely unreported nationally/globally in comparison to the few white on black incidents.

So my suggestion to the poster being targeting here is: don't bother trying to reason with this person as facts are of no interest to them. His act is only a thinly veiled trap to have you done as a "racist" for merely pointing out facts. When I received an infraction a time ago it was during an engagement with this very poster. Just a word to the wise

This is by far the best post describing him.

Well done and top work.

end of the road · 01-12-2014 06:07PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

This is by far the best post describing him.
Well done and top work.

it doesn't describe him in any way at all. its lies. shoddy work

suicide_circus · 01-12-2014 06:11PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Zemir Begic, age 32, beaten to death in St. Louis by hammer wielding "juveniles" :

Begic and his wife pictured here. Apparently they were newly-wed, married only six months ago:
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Zemir-Begic-665x385.jpg

http://kplr11.com/2014/11/30/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-hammers/

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/30/man-beaten-to-death-with-hammer-in-st-louis/

Pfft, he'd probably been oppressing blacks for years

Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

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