Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

end of the road · 26-11-2014 04:47PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Saying a 300lb man is bigger than you and you felt dwarved compared to him is racist how? Fact was Mike Brown was bigger than Wilson!! Wilson said he felt over powered in the car during the scuffle. He couldnt get the door open because Brown was leaning his strength and weight against it.
There's no "images of the apish black man" being called up at all.

they're is . the officer was definitely playing on the fears of bigots of black men

Beano · 26-11-2014 04:48PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

No there is not an adversarial element to it. That is not the purpose of the Grand Jury. Trials are adversarial in which there are two opposing sides.

Adversarial in the sense that any testimony given can be questioned.

Beano · 26-11-2014 04:53PM

end of the road wrote: »

they're is . the officer was definitely playing on the fears of bigots of black men

have you actually read the transcript of darren wilsons evidence?

Nerdlingr · 26-11-2014 04:54PM

end of the road wrote: »

they're is . the officer was definitely playing on the fears of bigots of black men

How? How did he play on the fears ? go on .. tell me.

26-11-2014 04:54PM

CNuts protesting about violence and brutality...

watch how they treat this store owner...fair dues to her, she didnt back own from them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCriuhEMe0

at some point, they will do it at the wrong shop , and leave with a big hole in their chest.

Hoop66 · 26-11-2014 04:58PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Mistakes in the investigation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

One or two of those are particularly shocking.

Wilson going with two senior officers to the hospital before being properly interviewed is a disgrace. Why were there two senior officers with him? Is this normal? I don't think so.

Not testing his gun for fingerprints when who had control of the gun during the incident should have been a crucial part of the investigation.

Stinks to high heaven imo.

Beano · 26-11-2014 05:00PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

The reason people are angry is because in these police shootings, police have said that they feared for their life and they responded with deadly force. Witnesses contradict the police statements. Police are using the deeply entrenched fear that most Americans are programmed to have about Black people--Black men in particular.

Wilson described Brown as being a hulking figure. Wilson said that he felt like a five year compared to Brown's size. He said that Brown practically grew with rage. His comments mirror the old racist images of the apish Black man.

We are discussing one incident so i will ignore the rest of the links. they are irrelevant.

Witnesses contradict the police statements.

The grand jury listened to all of the witness statements. and found them to be inconsistent and contradicted by other evidence.

Wilson described Brown as being a hulking figure. Wilson said that he felt like a five year compared to Brown's size. He said that Brown practically grew with rage

I would describe somebody who is 6'4" and nearly 300lb as hulking. Does that mean i am mirroring the old apish image of the black man?

Brown was 90lb heavier than wilson. that is a massive difference in size. wilson was trapped in his car with limited ability to maneuver and defend himself. He had no access to his mace or baton so he defended himself with his gun. His gun that brown tried to turn back on him. I reckon i'd be pretty scared as well.

darced · 26-11-2014 05:00PM

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Amazingfun · 26-11-2014 05:00PM

Jake1 wrote: »

CNuts protesting about violence and brutality...

watch how they treat this store owner...fair dues to her, she didnt back own from them.
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A fairly shocking video and it's far from the worst. Imagine some on this very thread condone this savagery as they consider it justified. Disgusting really.

Nerdlingr · 26-11-2014 05:01PM

I would have though senior officers would have been involved straight away given the circumstance. Dont see any problem with that, or him visiting a hospital after being involved in a physical altercation. Standard procedure.

Amazingfun · 26-11-2014 05:02PM

darced wrote: »

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People ought not be allowed to comment on this case until they have read the evidence outlay . Brown's DNA was ON the gun.

Earl Turner · 26-11-2014 05:04PM

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417017521314.png

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:05PM

The police didn't test for fingerprints on the gun.

Says it all. I knew the whole thing was a farce. It just didn't make sense.

darced · 26-11-2014 05:09PM

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Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:10PM

No coming back from this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

SeanW · 26-11-2014 05:11PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Saying a 300lb man is bigger than you and you felt dwarved compared to him is racist how? Fact was Mike Brown was bigger than Wilson!! Wilson said he felt over powered in the car during the scuffle. He couldnt get the door open because Brown was leaning his strength and weight against it.
There's no "images of the apish black man" being called up at all.

In addition, Wilson was correct in his appraisal of the thread MB posed - Brown had just used his immense size and likely physical strength to assault the owner of the store he robbed. That's why he was able to basically walk away past the owner as though he were not there.

His subsequent actions, i.e. walking down the middle of the road rather than the footpath, attacking a cop and reaching for a gun, also suggest a person who, quite frankly, clearly demonstrate that not only did his brute strength rose to the level of a deadly weapon, but that he had completely abandoned all semblance of intelligent human behaviour.

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:11PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I would have though senior officers would have been involved straight away given the circumstance. Dont see any problem with that, or him visiting a hospital after being involved in a physical altercation. Standard procedure.

Did you actually read the article?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

That is ****ing ridiculous, I am utterly convinced now.

Amazingfun · 26-11-2014 05:13PM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Did you actually read the article?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

That is ****ing ridiculous, I am utterly convinced now.

lol.....get honest -you are just happy to find something you think justifies your position from the start.

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:15PM

SeanW wrote: »

In addition, Wilson was correct in his appraisal of the thread MB posed - Brown had just used his immense size and likely physical strength to assault the owner of the store he robbed. That's why he was able to basically walk away past the owner as though he were not there.

His subsequent actions, i.e. walking down the middle of the road rather than the footpath, attacking a cop and reaching for a gun, also suggest a person who, quite frankly, clearly demonstrate that not only did his brute strength rose to the level of a deadly weapon, but that he had completely abandoned all semblance of intelligent human behaviour.

Such brutal strength that he couldn't even fracture Wilson's jaw?

I haven't seen anyone explain why the bruise was on the opposite side of Wilson's face to the side facing the window? That makes no sense.

Killer Wench · 26-11-2014 05:17PM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Did you actually read the article?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

That is ****ing ridiculous, I am utterly convinced now.

Of course they didn't read the article. That would go against their proven knowledge of this case.

Amazingfun · 26-11-2014 05:17PM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Such brutal strength that he couldn't even fracture Wilson's jaw?

I haven't seen anyone explain why the bruise was on the opposite side of Wilson's face to the side facing the window? That makes no sense.

He was being assaulted. It's entirely conceivable his head was turned for some portions of Brown's assault.

Anyways: this is like debating Al Sharpton-nothing else but finding Wilson as the next Hitler will satisfy any of you.

SeanW · 26-11-2014 05:18PM

Look up the images of the "fight" between Brown and the store owner. Actually I wouldn't call it a fight, it was more like Mike Tyson vs. Stephen Hawking.

Seriously, do a Google images search for "Michael Brown robbing store" remember this was only a few minutes beforehand.

It proves that Wilson appraised the threat correctly.

Amazingfun · 26-11-2014 05:19PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Of course they didn't read the article. That would go against their proven knowledge of this case.

Unlike many on *your* pro-thuggery side (whose posts repeatedly demonstrate they cannot digest data of any sort) -I did read it. It's nothing to be overly concerned with really and is just what I'd expect from the left wing rag Huffington Post. All par for the course.

Killer Wench · 26-11-2014 05:21PM

SeanW wrote: »

Look up the images of the "fight" between Brown and the store owner. Actually I wouldn't call it a fight, it was more like Mike Tyson vs. Stephen Hawking.

Seriously, do a Google images search for "Michael Brown robbing store" remember this was only a few minutes beforehand.

It proves that Wilson appraised the threat correctly.

No, it does not. Wilson stands at 6'4 and over 200 lbs. Mike Brown was 6'6 and nearly 300 lbs. Not really a big hulking difference as Wilson liked to characterize it.

Secondly, in Wilson's first interview--immediately after the shooting--he didn't reference the cigarillos. He said that Brown had something in his hand. It later became the cigarillos. That brings into doubt whether or not Wilson knew that Brown was the suspect from the strong arm robbery.

end of the road · 26-11-2014 05:21PM

Beano wrote: »

have you actually read the transcript of darren wilsons evidence?

i have. i don't buy much if not most of it

Nerdlingr · 26-11-2014 05:22PM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Did you actually read the article?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

That is ****ing ridiculous, I am utterly convinced now.

Yes I've read it.
As i said, Its standard procedure to get medically assessed after being involved in a violent confrotation, especially one involving suspected head injuries.
The article even states this "The detective said that while it is common practice to defer to any medical decision of this nature..".

It would also be standard procedure to meet with your superiors after a discharge of a firearm. I dont see anything wrong with either.

Whats your point.

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:23PM

SeanW wrote: »

Look up the images of the "fight" between Brown and the store owner. Actually I wouldn't call it a fight, it was more like Mike Tyson vs. Stephen Hawking.

Seriously, do a Google images search for "Michael Brown robbing store" remember this was only a few minutes beforehand.

It proves that Wilson appraised the threat correctly.

Like I said, these 'deadly blows' barely left a mark on Wilson's face. They didn't even fracture, let alone break his jaw.

Wilson should never have been a police officer. And the mistakes in the investigation stink to high heaven.

Whats your opinion on this? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/ferguson-grand-jury-evidence-mistakes_n_6220814.html

Killer Wench · 26-11-2014 05:23PM

Hoop66 wrote: »

One or two of those are particularly shocking.

Wilson going with two senior officers to the hospital before being properly interviewed is a disgrace. Why were there two senior officers with him? Is this normal? I don't think so.

Not testing his gun for fingerprints when who had control of the gun during the incident should have been a crucial part of the investigation.

Stinks to high heaven imo.

All of these missing pieces should have been presented in trial with attorneys having the ability to tear apart Wilson's testimony. It creates a lot of doubt. Did the two senior officers inform Wilson of Brown's suspected robbery? Did they coach Wilson on what to say during the investigation?

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 05:24PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Yes I've read it.
As i said, Its standard procedure to get medically assessed after being involved in a violent confrotation, especially one involving suspected head injuries.
The article even states this "The detective said that while it is common practice to defer to any medical decision of this nature..".

It would also be standard procedure to meet with your superiors after a discharge of a firearm. I dont see anything wrong with either.

Whats your point.

And what about the other points? I don't think you have read it because you are only talking about a small part of the article that another poster had happened to quote. Can you please read the article and respond to each of the points individually?

end of the road · 26-11-2014 05:24PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

A fairly shocking video and it's far from the worst. Imagine some on this very thread condone this savagery as they consider it justified. Disgusting really.

your no stranger to condoning savagery yourself.

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