Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

Amazingfun · 25-11-2014 11:26PM

@ 3:21 Michael Brown's stepfather screams "burn this bitch down" repeatedly:

They sure did.

25-11-2014 11:54PM

CNN running interview with Officer Wilson later tonight

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/darren-wilson-interview/

jank · 26-11-2014 01:06AM

creolebelle wrote: »

Exactly. Our police forces need to reevaluate they way they handle suspects.
Just wanted to note that it seems like people are arguing that because there is supposedly a high black on black crime rate(it's actually not significantly higher than white on white crime) the black community shouldn't be angered by aggressive violent police tactics

Two things.

a) You want the police to be more hands off and 'European' (even though many are also armed!), yet at the same time blame them for not enforcing drug enforcement laws in majority black communities that has major issues with crime. You can't have it every way.
b) Black on black homicide rates are many times higher than white on white homicides.

jank · 26-11-2014 01:14AM

See one of the reasons why people cannot take this issue that seriously is the fact that when other black males are murdered by black males its just par of the course. Nobody knows or will remember the name of that black male who was shot and then burned last night. Where are the celebs and social justice warriors condemning that savage action and marching in the streets to stop this senseless violence?

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 01:24AM

jank wrote: »

See one of the reasons why people cannot take this issue that seriously is the fact that when other black males are murdered by black males its just par of the course. Nobody knows or will remember the name of that black male who was shot and then burned last night. Where are the celebs and social justice warriors condemning that savage action and marching in the streets to stop this senseless violence?

I can't believe you don't understand why there is a difference in the public's reaction between when a civilian shoots another civilian dead and when a police officer shoots an unarmed teenager dead in the line of duty

SeanW · 26-11-2014 01:28AM

jank wrote: »

See one of the reasons why people cannot take this issue that seriously is the fact that when other black males are murdered by black males its just par of the course. Nobody knows or will remember the name of that black male who was shot and then burned last night. Where are the celebs and social justice warriors condemning that savage action and marching in the streets to stop this senseless violence?

QFT!

How, for example did the Trayvon Martin case become widespread international news when the mass of killings of black boys and men by other black men did not?

porsche959 · 26-11-2014 01:29AM

jank wrote: »

See one of the reasons why people cannot take this issue that seriously is the fact that when other black males are murdered by black males its just par of the course. Nobody knows or will remember the name of that black male who was shot and then burned last night. Where are the celebs and social justice warriors condemning that savage action and marching in the streets to stop this senseless violence?

People rightfully expect a higher standard of public servants such as police officers. But I agree with you that the issue of black-on-black crime seems to get little attention in the media.

Sand · 26-11-2014 01:40AM

Putinovsky wrote: »

I can't believe you don't understand why there is a difference in the public's reaction between when a civilian shoots another civilian dead and when a police officer shoots an unarmed teenager dead in the line of duty

One is a crime, one is not. The shooting by Wilson has been demonstrated not to be a crime (indeed, it was fairly apparent early on that the claims it was some sort of murder were really weak). The crime ought to be more newsworthy. But its not.

Its already very clear that far and away the greatest threat to a young black males life in the US is another young black male. Being shot or otherwise killed by a cop (black or white or otherwise) is an vanishingly low probability. Cops are far more likely to be killed by a civilian than a civilian (of any race) is likely to be killed by a cop. Focusing on the extremely low probability event as *the* problem, and ignoring the far greater probability event is at best, misleading, especially when the shooting is shown to be valid. That said, I guess people focus on the threat of terrorism over second hand smoke, and one is much more likely to kill the average person.
There has been huge disturbances and vandalism in Ferguson which has been hyped up over an event that did not happen in the way the cheerleaders imagined or wished it did.

Putinovsky · 26-11-2014 01:45AM

SeanW wrote: »

QFT!

How, for example did the Trayvon Martin case become widespread international news when the mass of killings of black boys and men by other black men did not?

Because the entire Trayvon Martin incident happened because of his colour.

Racists are always cowards in my experience. Thats why you get guys like Trayvon and Wilson who couldn't stand up to ****ing teenagers pulling out a gun and shooting them. They are inadequate pussies who need a gun to feel big. Most racists are the same, in fact racism stems from fear in the first place.

SeanW · 26-11-2014 02:43AM

Trayvon Martin was just one of thousands of black people killed each year.

Also, I'm glad to see that you waited for a system of due process to weigh all the evidence before you condemned the police officer as a racist murderer.

Oh wait, the evidence shows that the exact opposite of the leftist narritive.

From the admittedly sketchy reading and reviewing evidence that I've done, the following timeline of events is likely:

Michael Brown walks into a convenience store, decides to help himself to some merchendise and leave without paying for it.
Brown is challenged by the store owner as he leaves, who in return simply pushes the owner out of the way like a piece of wood.
Brown walks down the middle of the street in such a manner as to pose a danger to himself or to traffic.
Wilson, the police officer, observes this and asks Brown and his friend to move to the sidewalk. Wilson becomes aware that this is the individual described in the store robbery that was just described in a police dispatch.
Brown rushes Wilson, struggles for his gun. Some shots are fired, wounding Brown.
Brown runs away, is chased by Wilson.
Brown turns around, rushes Wilson.
Wilson sees this 130kg of angry muscle charging towards him, concludes that he is in immediate danger, and that he would do very badly in a physical confrontation, see Point 2. Officer opens fire.
Rioting ensues on multiple occasions including 2 days after the incident (remember this is before any kind of investigation could be carried out by any entity) and again over the last 48 hours. On both occasions there is widespread property destruction and looting, including, ironically the poor sod whose shop Brown had robbed in the first place.

Now how the hell, in any of that, is either the police officer or indeed any of the people who have had their businesses/cars/possessions in storage looted or destoryed at fault?

Peanut · 26-11-2014 02:57AM

Some new live streams

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/shaivaughncrawley (Baltimore)

http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

jank · 26-11-2014 03:11AM

Putinovsky wrote: »

I can't believe you don't understand why there is a difference in the public's reaction between when a civilian shoots another civilian dead and when a police officer shoots an unarmed teenager dead in the line of duty

Oh I understand it alright but I do not take it seriously. Two dead black males, one was shot with his body burned, mostly likely by another black male for whatever reason, the other shot by a white police officer whom has been exonerated of wrong doing and was in the act of self defense. Yet, who's name will the world remember in 5-10 years time?

Both are dead but people seem to be interested in mob justice rather than looking at the big picture and finding out why there is such a problem with black on black violence. If people focused on the latter than a solution may be found, however looking at the former will only result in a cycle of victimhood. Its a ****ing tragedy tbh.

TheLastMohican · 26-11-2014 03:17AM

Did white people riot/loot/set fire to cars/stores after OJ was found not guilty of murdering a white woman? A bit of perspective is needed in this thread.

Standman · 26-11-2014 03:22AM

Putinovsky wrote: »

Because the entire Trayvon Martin incident happened because of his colour.

Racists are always cowards in my experience. Thats why you get guys like Trayvon and Wilson who couldn't stand up to ****ing teenagers pulling out a gun and shooting them. They are inadequate pussies who need a gun to feel big. Most racists are the same, in fact racism stems from fear in the first place.

This kind of emotion driven reaction is why it's practically impossible to have any meaningful discussion about these issues.

Karl Stein · 26-11-2014 03:41AM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Did white people riot/loot/set fire to cars/stores after OJ was found not guilty of murdering a white woman?

The US justice system was in the dock not OJ. Is the US justice system racist?

Why are Black people far more likely to end up involved with the justice system?

Hazys · 26-11-2014 05:16AM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Did white people riot/loot/set fire to cars/stores after OJ was found not guilty of murdering a white woman? A bit of perspective is needed in this thread.

No, they just riot at Pumpkin Fests in Keene, NH or in Vancouver for days if they lose a hockey game or when the Red Sox win the World Series or in Montreal over student fees or in Dublin if the unionists plan a parade, etc, etc.

Racists love this riot as they get to use this as their evidence that rioting or bad behavior is stereotypical of black people yet ignore the dozens of riots started by white people.

At the end of the day there are bad people in all groups, not matter what race or social group you come from.

Hazys · 26-11-2014 05:20AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

The US justice system was in the dock not OJ. Is the US justice system racist?

Why are Black people far more likely to end up involved with the justice system?

An identical question is: Why are poor people in Ireland far more likely to end up involved with the justice system?

If you need to ask why are black people far more likely to be poor? then you need to pick up a history book.

Killer Wench · 26-11-2014 05:37AM

Protests have reached other cities: Boston, Atlanta, Seattle, Portland, Ann Arbor, and other places.

The National Guard is currently serving as reinforces in Ferguson. When asked if they were ready, one soldier responded that they are ready with live bullets.

Killer Wench · 26-11-2014 05:41AM

Forgot LA:

https://vine.co/v/O1U55tZ52Q5

Karl Stein · 26-11-2014 05:51AM

Hazys wrote: »

If you need to ask why are black people far more likely to be poor? then you need to pick up a history book.

I don't need to ask it. I was waiting to hear the answers from the usual racism deniers who are invariably not black.

crybaby · 26-11-2014 06:44AM

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7287443/dorian-johnson-story

Very interesting to read them back to back and makes you wonder why they decided not to have a trial.

mark13 · 26-11-2014 07:22AM

So a 6-foot-4 thug robs a convenience store, assaults the clerk, he then assaults & attempts to use a cop's gun against him and ends up getting shot. Where exactly is the injustice here?

Evidently his family are trash too:

http://gotnews.com/breaking-cops-michaelbrown-stepfather-inciting-ferguson-race-riot-blood-gangbanger/

http://toprightnews.com/?p=6780

BoJack Horseman · 26-11-2014 08:16AM

mark13 wrote: »

So a 6-foot-4 thug robs a convenience store, assaults the clerk, he then assaults & attempts to use a cop's gun against him and ends up getting shot. Where exactly is the injustice here?

Evidently his family are trash too:

http://gotnews.com/breaking-cops-michaelbrown-stepfather-inciting-ferguson-race-riot-blood-gangbanger/

http://toprightnews.com/?p=6780

And after 3 months, 60 witness statements & 5,000 pages of testimony, a grand jury find no reason to indicte the police officer.

Maybe.... just maybe they are right.

But, I suppose everyone is an angel in death.

BoJack Horseman · 26-11-2014 08:19AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

I don't need to ask it. I was waiting to hear the answers from the usual racism deniers who are invariably not black.

This statement is in itself tinged with racial bias.

What black areas in America have you lived in?

crybaby · 26-11-2014 08:20AM

mark13 wrote: »

So a 6-foot-4 thug robs a convenience store, assaults the clerk, he then assaults & attempts to use a cop's gun against him and ends up getting shot. Where exactly is the injustice here?

Evidently his family are trash too:

http://gotnews.com/breaking-cops-michaelbrown-stepfather-inciting-ferguson-race-riot-blood-gangbanger/

http://toprightnews.com/?p=6780

They don't believe Wilson's story and I have to say I have a hard time fully believing it myself.

The people looting, beating up white people and causing mayhem are utter utter scum and have no place in a civilized society. They will achieve noting and are simply feeding the people that already hate them with this nonsense.

DeadHand · 26-11-2014 08:42AM

Morbidly amused by the cynicism and bovine stupidity of those out looting innocent people and businesses in St.Louis.

What's the rationale here? "I'm so upset over the death of Brown that I need to rob this widescreen"?

Where's all this righteous fury from the black community when a black youth is killed by (the most likely kind of person to kill him by far) another black youth?

Or is it just a case that it's easier and more comforting to blame others for your problems than it is to look within?

jank · 26-11-2014 10:21AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

The US justice system was in the dock not OJ. Is the US justice system racist?

Why are Black people far more likely to end up involved with the justice system?

Obviously this is fault of white people...

Or to put the question back to you, why are travellers much more likely to end up in jail than settled people?

jank · 26-11-2014 10:28AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

I don't need to ask it. I was waiting to hear the answers from the usual racism deniers who are invariably not black.

That post is ironically racist in itself. One cannot question the looters narrative because they are not black, hence your opinion is worthless. Nice!

Nerdlingr · 26-11-2014 11:18AM

The issue/problem is whether or not Brown had his hands up when he was shot.
Some witnesses say that he did, others say that he didnt - there's conflicting accounts. Some have even withdrawn statements or said they actually didnt see the incident when questioned further. Some have even changed their statements after speaking to Brown's buddy who was with him that day.
The fact of the matter is nearly all accounts tell of a struggle within the police car. Of Michael Brown halfway in the window struggling with Wilson. Physical evidence proves Brown ran away,stopped and turned to face Wilson and travelled for another 20 yards/metres before being brought down. One shot entered the top of brown's head, this is consistent with Wilson saying he was being charged by the 300lb Brown. (It may also be the case that he was staggering after the first round and had his head down). What is clear is that nearly all of the evidence provided is consistent with Wilson's version of events.

I saw something last night, some tweet that said something like ..."all who side with mike brown side with peace and justice"...eh...he had just f*cking robbed a convenience store FFS. Tell that to the guy who was assaulted and had his store robbed. Everyone's an angel in death I guess.

jank · 26-11-2014 11:39AM

Powerful video by someone who actually wants to fix the problem and not perpetuate the usual agenda driven social justice warrior crap that some want.

For context.

At a police commission meeting related to that shooting, protesters began disrupting the group and shouting anti-police phrases at officers.

They also singled out Chief Flynn as being uncaring and mocked him for being on his cell phone during part of the meeting.

There was only one problem: Flynn was actually on his phone being notified about a drive-by shooting that was carried out by a black gang, which took the life of a 5-year-old girl.

When a reporter outside the meeting brought up the phone call as a way to belittle Chief Flynn, he took it personally — and unleashed a verbal thrashing on the gathered crowd.

Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

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