Homeless Couple Living in a Car in Tallaght

Menas · 24-11-2014 06:46PM

Its a tricky one in my opinion. If they leave the area to somewhere they can afford outside of south Dublin then they lose their place on the housing list. And lose any social support they have from family etc.
But living in a car in the meantime is nonsensical.

We will see more and more of these cases where rent allowance restriction does not cover minimum rent in an area and people are left with the choice of homelessness, kipping with family or friends, emergency accommodation or moving outside of Dublin to a place they can afford.

The question is how much can they depend on the state to meet their needs? Less and less I would imagine.

Banjo String · 24-11-2014 06:50PM

Harmoni Ripe Overlap wrote: »

RENT ALLOWANCE

:pac:

seamus wrote: »

RA = Rent Allowance

Nino Brown wrote: »

Haha, RA = Rent Allowance:pac:

Lol, fair enough.

It's just with the whole Joan/Jobstown/dissident republican and Sinister fringe stories, I jumped to the very wrong conclusion. :pac:

0byme75341jo28 · 24-11-2014 06:52PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Its a tricky one in my opinion. If they leave the area to somewhere they can afford outside of south Dublin then they lose their place on the housing list. And lose any social support they have from family etc.
But living in a car in the meantime is nonsensical.

We will see more and more of these cases where rent allowance restriction does not cover minimum rent in an area and people are left with the choice of homelessness, kipping with family or friends, emergency accommodation or moving outside of Dublin to a place they can afford.

The question is how much can they depend on the state to meet their needs? Less and less I would imagine.

They have to live within their means though. If the rent is too much in their preferred area then they simply can't afford to live there and will have to look elsewhere, that's life. I see no reason why they should be living in their car tbh.

shruikan2553 · 24-11-2014 06:54PM

Its a shame there are no houses outside of Dublin.

ScumLord · 24-11-2014 06:54PM

the_syco wrote: »

Emergency accommodation may be her and another 20 homeless people in the one dorm,

Maybe that's it, it's hard enough to sleep in a room full of strangers without an anxiety disorder.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 06:56PM

Sleeping in a car in this day and age is not necessary IMV.

OK you can do it, fine if you want to, but you don't have to.

Seems to me, they were all up and savvy about buying a car, not taxing or insuring it, moving it around car parks where they wouldn't be fined and so on. That does not sound to me like people who are out of the loop at all.

They would be placed in emergency accommodation tonight. But it might not suit them.

That's the problem I reckon.

Maybe if Ciara were admitted to hospital for her crippling illness and Shane could go and source accommodation that might help. But I reckon Ciara would not go to hospital on her own either.

Tough one. But I bet they have the best of care on the medical card if they choose to accept it.

I know I am coming across as all right wing etc. I just don't believe that anyone would be on the streets today, unless that is their choice, or the shelter they are offered is not what they want.

Sleeping in a car? Get off the stage now. Not necessary at all, despite all the soppy ads around now.

looking_around · 24-11-2014 07:11PM

the_syco wrote: »

I doubt there's parking at emergency accommodation, but they may also have declined it due to her agoraphobia.

I'm pretty sure as they're not living in a house, that it would be lost? I'm guessing they want to stay in Jobstown so they can claim the same amount, as I think if they went to a new area they wouldn't be able to claim RA from the get-go (I think they have to rent for a few months before they can start getting RA).

So long as it's in the same county, no issues, they can move and carry over their rent allowance.

(I moved too often in the same county, while claiming. )
Leaving the county, is a bit more hassle, they need good reason to be moving and have to re-apply for rent allownace. In this case, they would have to rent for a few months, if they didn't have a good reason, after a few months, they simply say "we're here now, and we need help"

Gatling · 24-11-2014 07:18PM

Actually you can move areas and keep your place on your preferred housing list .
It's just most people are too lazy to bother looking further afield .
The current wait for council housing in South dublin is 10-12 years they'd have a few years wait yet .

Another waste of ink for the media

looking_around · 24-11-2014 07:21PM

Gatling wrote: »

Actually you can move areas and keep your place on your preferred housing list .
It's just most people are too lazy to bother looking further afield .
The current wait for council housing in South dublin is 10-12 years they'd have a few years wait yet .

Another waste of ink for the media

well, if she's out on medical, she'll be on the "disability" waiting list, I assume that's quicker.

But this whole story sounds like trying to speed her their place on the list.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-11-2014 07:22PM

Give me a tent and a good sleeping bag over a car anyday no matter what time of year it is

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 07:23PM

Entitlement culture.

Those who are demanding their dream accommodation, must start to acknowledge that those who are working and paying taxes are paying for you.

We don't complain. At least I don't. I could be Ciara and Shane some day, who knows? and I will be thankful for a caring society who would never expect me to live on the street, or in my car. Ever, there is always an alternative.

But we are not stupid either.

Gosub · 24-11-2014 07:26PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm confused by that article. It says they're getting rent allowances but they're living in a car?

Maybe it's a rented car.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 07:27PM

This kind of reminds me about the couple in Castleknock recently who cried and turned up in court having failed to observe the court ruling... in their pjs.

Haven't heard much since.

PizzamanIRL · 24-11-2014 07:30PM

A home is a dwelling-place used as a permanent or semi-permanent residence. It is often a house, apartment, or other building, or alternatively a mobile home, houseboat, yurt or any other portable shelter.

They're not homeless.

Donkey Oaty · 24-11-2014 07:34PM

They're lucky to have even a car.

I know a family of four who have to sleep on a skateboard, Joe.

Thankfully the SVP gave the youngest a pair of roller skates to sleep on, so the other three have a bit more room now.

artful_codger · 24-11-2014 07:42PM

It's just copycat tactics at this stage.

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/homeless-family-vowed-to-sleep-in-car-at-aras-cill-dara-1-6329621

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 07:47PM

artful_codger wrote: »

It's just copycat tactics at this stage.

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/homeless-family-vowed-to-sleep-in-car-at-aras-cill-dara-1-6329621

Why are these people called "Travellers" when they want to live in a house?

More entitlement culture and the race/discrimination card.

I'm sick of it now.

unkel · 24-11-2014 07:47PM

There are 60 properties in Dublin city alone on daft to let for under €750 per month. They have a car and could be with their family in Jobstown within an hour from any one of those 60 properties.

“In the mornings I go over to Eurospar, get two cups of tea and sausage rolls to warm us up, and a bottle of water to brush our teeth.”

That would cost the guts of a tenner. Or €300 per month. Their dole is far too high if they can afford that.

Nino Brown · 24-11-2014 07:50PM

unkel wrote: »

There are 60 properties in Dublin city alone on daft to let for under €750 per month. They have a car and could be with their family in Jobstown within an hour from any one of those 60 properties.

“In the mornings I go over to Eurospar, get two cups of tea and sausage rolls to warm us up, and a bottle of water to brush our teeth.”

That would cost the guts of a tenner. Or €300 per month. Their dole is far too high if they can afford that.

Ah but f**k sitting in traffic for an hour, if they wanted to have to do that everyday, they'd just get a job!

Saipanne · 24-11-2014 07:51PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

A lot of people here are very out of touch with the realities for a lot of people in this country.

Where do their butlers sleep?

mikeym · 24-11-2014 07:51PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why are these people called "Travellers" when they want to live in a house?

More entitlement culture and the race/discrimination card.

I'm sick of it now.

Its all take take take.

Why dont we all go on the dole and sponge off the state.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 08:01PM

It's coming up to Christmas now. Violins......

So the rest of us shouldn't enjoy it at all, just in case our conscience might bother us about those who actually have an alternative, but won't accept it.

There is NO ONE who will be left on the streets or in their car in this country, unless they are picky, or feel entitled, or are unable to access services.

The Simon Community look after those who don't have a PHd in entitlements from the State. They are the ones who never appear in the paper either from their cars. They'd be lucky to have a sleeping bag.

They are rarely in the news.

Don Kedick · 24-11-2014 08:02PM

As usual it's the rich knocking the poor. On your laptop after coming home from your overpaid jobs you decide to criticise an unfortunate couple who can't find work or a suitable home. Great lads ye are.

Saipanne · 24-11-2014 08:05PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

As usual it's the rich knocking the poor. On your laptop after coming home from your overpaid jobs you decide to criticise an unfortunate couple who can't find work or a suitable home. Great lads ye are.

Laptop?

Eh, 2005 called, they want their Dell back!

Its all about tablets, babay...

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 08:06PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

As usual it's the rich knocking the poor. On your laptop after coming home from your overpaid jobs you decide to criticise an unfortunate couple who can't find work or a suitable home. Great lads ye are.

"Won't find work or a suitable home", might be a better way of putting it TBH

Don Kedick · 24-11-2014 08:07PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Laptop?

Eh, 2005 called, they want their Dell back!

Its all about tablets, babay...

Obviously I don't keep tabs on rich people's customs.

Don Kedick · 24-11-2014 08:08PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

"Won't find work or a suitable home", might be a better way of putting it TBH

Where are they meant to find this job? You know the high unemployment rate isn't through choice?

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 08:10PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

Obviously I don't keep tabs on rich people's customs.

Sure didn't Joan Burton tell all them pesky protestors who were on the dole and shouting and roaring at the Water Charges, that they had top of the range phones, and could afford to pay for their water!

But those who pay for nothing, expect the best!

The rest of us just pay for it for them. Nice.

Donkey Oaty · 24-11-2014 08:10PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

Where are they meant to find this job? You know the high unemployment rate isn't through choice?

Ironic that they're from Jobstown.

I bet they drink Tennents as well.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2014 08:11PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

Where are they meant to find this job? You know the high unemployment rate isn't through choice?

I said Won't. Not can't.

It's in the genes to live off the State.

Homeless Couple Living in a Car in Tallaght

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