Property prices outside the Pale

Xios · 24-11-2014 01:54PM #1

Figured I'd look at property prices in various places outside dublin for look see, and for fook sake. Why the hell is anyone buying houses in dublin?

Jaysus, you can buy a bungalow a few miles from a town for the price of a new mondeo. Sure you're out in the sticks, but it just means you can kit out our house with all sorts of comforts, get a 'fan-she ciar' an all.

3 beds for 40k only a few miles from Tullamore and an acre of land to go nuts on. Dafuq are people thinking spending 300/400k on a semi-detached house with a load of jerks for neighbours.

Kintarō Hattori · 24-11-2014 01:56PM

It's grand to buy a house down the country....................... not so much if you live miles from work and spend half the day commuting. Not everyone wants to get up at 5am and home at 9pm.

Ush1 · 24-11-2014 01:56PM

Spend your life commuting in a car to a house in the middle of nowhere you don't get to spend any time in.

Xios · 24-11-2014 01:58PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Spend your life commuting in a car to a house in the middle of nowhere you don't get to spend any time in.

The commute is about the same as that from commuter towns, like Enfield, Newbridge, Kilcock etc. Just use the rail network if you're working in the city centre.

anncoates · 24-11-2014 01:59PM

Xios wrote: »

3 beds for 40k

Wow.

Xios wrote: »

Tullamore.

Oh.

Ush1 · 24-11-2014 01:59PM

Xios wrote: »

The commute is about the same as that from commuter towns, like Enfield, Newbridge, Kilcock etc. Just use the rail network if you're working in the city centre.

They aren't in Dublin.

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:00PM

Ush1 wrote: »

They aren't in Dublin.

I said outside the pale in the OP. Prices in the commuter towns are crazy high as well.

McGrath5 · 24-11-2014 02:01PM

Xios wrote: »

Dafuq are people thinking spending 300/400k on a semi-detached house with a load of jerks for neighbours.

People place a very high value on living in a city where they are quite close to work.

I live only a 15 minute cycle from my job, its heaven.

Don Kedick · 24-11-2014 02:02PM

Close your mouth OP, we don't want any more Dubs moving down into real Ireland.

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:03PM

Even the 150/250k you save on the mortgage would let ya retire early or invest in all sorts of more useful things. You can retire 5-10 years earlier depending on your income with prices that different.

Greyian · 24-11-2014 02:08PM

Xios wrote: »

Even the 150/250k you save on the mortgage would let ya retire early or invest in all sorts of more useful things. You can retire 5-10 years earlier depending on your income with prices that different.

According to Google Maps, the distance for a worker to drive from Tullamore to work would be ~100km. So that would be a return trip of 200km per day.

That would be about ~€125 per week in petrol costs, or €500 per month. At current interest rates, on a 35 year mortgage, €150k lower principle would be ~€660/month. So a worker save about €150/month, at the low, low cost of about 40 extra hours per month in a car.

That doesn't seem like a great deal, and doesn't factor in that other car maintenance costs would also be higher, as a result of the distance travelled.
Any childcare costs would likely be higher, as the child would have to be dropped off much earlier in the day and collected much later.

Highflyer13 · 24-11-2014 02:08PM

Im with you OP. Id love to set myself up so that I can work at home a couple of days a week, buy a nice house in the country for a fraction of the price (1.5hrs away from Dublin at most) and use the change to buy a nice car for the commute. Thats my plan anyway and over time build my palace in the country. Dublin prices are extortionate.I don't ever want that noose around my neck.

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:15PM

Greyian wrote: »

According to Google Maps, the distance for a worker to drive from Tullamore to work would be ~100km. So that would be a return trip of 200km per day.

That would be about ~€125 per week in petrol costs, or €500 per month. At current interest rates, on a 35 year mortgage, €150k lower principle would be ~€660/month. So a worker save about €150/month, at the low, low cost of about 40 extra hours per month in a car.

That doesn't seem like a great deal, and doesn't factor in that other car maintenance costs would also be higher, as a result of the distance travelled.
Any childcare costs would likely be higher, as the child would have to be dropped off much earlier in the day and collected much later.

http://www.taxsaver.ie/Ticket-Types/

€2,100 Annual Commuter Rail, DART, Dublin Bus & LUAS. Live in house, drive to Train station. Worry free commute. Read a book, sleep on train, study for college or what have you. I don't think many people need to commute by car to the big schmoke.

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:20PM

Don Kedick wrote: »

Close your mouth OP, we don't want any more Dubs moving down into real Ireland.

MODS, please delete thread, i've been battered with hurls, bogged and feathered! Please, they won't stop!

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-11-2014 02:21PM

Tullamore ffs:rolleyes:

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:22PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Tullamore ffs:rolleyes:

Just an example, ya could work in Cork, Galway, Athlone, Limerick or what not and have a much shorter commute.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-11-2014 02:24PM

are people really going to make this mistake again?

have you learnt nothing?

The Backwards Man · 24-11-2014 02:27PM

It's like 1997 all over again!

All the children laugh and shout,
For here comes Mickey's roundabout

Xios · 24-11-2014 02:40PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's like 1997 all over again!

All the children laugh and shout,
For here comes Mickey's roundabout

Go on, tell us a tale of 1997.

valoren · 24-11-2014 02:44PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

are people really going to make this mistake again?

have you learnt nothing?

Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

24-11-2014 02:46PM

It all depends on you job situation but even if that was sorted I would want to be within striking distance of a large town/city so all the usual places and somewhere like Tralee or Killarney because the tourism and the IT give you a good mix of people and good leisure facilities, plus I would like a costal county and somewhere with good hiking and hillwalking as well, then I would consider it.

Fr_Dougal · 24-11-2014 02:47PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

It's grand to buy a house down the country....................... not so much if you live miles from work and spend half the day commuting. Not everyone wants to get up at 5am and home at 9pm.

+1

I've done that commute, never again. You end up spending just as much by commuting by the time you've factored in fuel/toll costs etc... But the biggest cost is time, ~20 hours commuting to and from work really grates after a while, if there's an accident or road works, that'll add another hour onto the journey.

Dravokivich · 24-11-2014 02:50PM

Xios wrote: »

http://www.taxsaver.ie/Ticket-Types/

€2,100 Annual Commuter Rail, DART, Dublin Bus & LUAS. Live in house, drive to Train station. Worry free commute. Read a book, sleep on train, study for college or what have you. I don't think many people need to commute by car to the big schmoke.

You do know there's a lot of complaints about the trains being packed and having to stand while commuting from Longford, Sligo, Athy? You are also aware that your job needs to be signed up to the Taxsaver scheme in order to be able to make use of it?

Far from the scene of comfort you are looking to promote.

Saipanne · 24-11-2014 02:53PM

Why not rent in tullamore for a year, as a test run..

seamus · 24-11-2014 02:54PM

Xios wrote: »

Just an example, ya could work in Cork, Galway, Athlone, Limerick or what not and have a much shorter commute.

And if your family and friends aren't in Cork, Galway, Athlone or Limerick? Or there aren't any jobs in those locations for what you do?

Prices around Dublin aren't high, "Just because". They're high because people want to live close to work, close to amenities and close to family and friends.

Sure, I could go live in Tullamore and find a job somewhere locally, but then if I want to see anyone I have to drive 100km back to Dublin. If I buy a house on some country road, we have to drive everywhere. Can't just walk out the gate and take the kids and dog for a walk along a road with no lines and an 80km/h limit.

Streetwalker · 24-11-2014 02:55PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

It's grand to buy a house down the country....................... not so much if you live miles from work and spend half the day commuting. Not everyone wants to get up at 5am and home at 9pm.

Buy a helicopter with the savings.

Xios · 24-11-2014 03:19PM

seamus wrote: »

And if your family and friends aren't in Cork, Galway, Athlone or Limerick? Or there aren't any jobs in those locations for what you do?

Prices around Dublin aren't high, "Just because". They're high because people want to live close to work, close to amenities and close to family and friends.

Sure, I could go live in Tullamore and find a job somewhere locally, but then if I want to see anyone I have to drive 100km back to Dublin. If I buy a house on some country road, we have to drive everywhere. Can't just walk out the gate and take the kids and dog for a walk along a road with no lines and an 80km/h limit.

I don't think being close to home is that big an issue with my generation, sure half of us fecked off to the other side of the planet for better opportunities, an hours drive is nothing in comparison.

Greyian · 24-11-2014 03:29PM

Xios wrote: »

http://www.taxsaver.ie/Ticket-Types/

€2,100 Annual Commuter Rail, DART, Dublin Bus & LUAS. Live in house, drive to Train station. Worry free commute. Read a book, sleep on train, study for college or what have you. I don't think many people need to commute by car to the big schmoke.

So I can drive to the train station, wait for a train, get on a packed train and likely have to stand (which will make sleeping, reading or studying a bit difficult), get off the train at Heuston, wait for a Luas, get on a Luas for about 20 minutes, then walk for about 15 minutes from the Luas to work.

Or, we'll take the route Google Maps suggests: Walk to train station. Take train. Get off train, transfer to bus. Transfer from Bus to bus 2. Transfer from bus 2 to bus 3. Walk from bus 3 to work.
Total time (each way): 2 hours, 30 minutes.
Total time (return): 5 hours.
So if I work 9-5:30, I'll wake up at 6am, get home at 8pm (assuming everything runs smoothly).

Allow for a current round-trip commute of 1 hour, and I'll save roughly €15/day, at a cost of 4 hours per day. I value my time somewhat higher than €3.75/hour.

Ush1 · 24-11-2014 03:35PM

Xios wrote: »

I said outside the pale in the OP. Prices in the commuter towns are crazy high as well.

All I'll say is, Dublin is expensive for a reason and I hope you enjoy time by yourself in car.

Xios · 24-11-2014 03:43PM

Greyian wrote: »

So I can drive to the train station, wait for a train, get on a packed train and likely have to stand (which will make sleeping, reading or studying a bit difficult), get off the train at Heuston, wait for a Luas, get on a Luas for about 20 minutes, then walk for about 15 minutes from the Luas to work.

Or, we'll take the route Google Maps suggests: Walk to train station. Take train. Get off train, transfer to bus. Transfer from Bus to bus 2. Transfer from bus 2 to bus 3. Walk from bus 3 to work.
Total time (each way): 2 hours, 30 minutes.
Total time (return): 5 hours.
So if I work 9-5:30, I'll wake up at 6am, get home at 8pm (assuming everything runs smoothly).

Allow for a current round-trip commute of 1 hour, and I'll save roughly €15/day, at a cost of 4 hours per day. I value my time somewhat higher than €3.75/hour.

What's your normal commute like? I live in Lucan, My commute to work on a motorbike is 40 minutes each way (fastest commute possible). If i took a car that could easily reach 90 minutes. By bus it'd take 2 hours each way (lucan to UCD + 20 minute walk). That's from inside dublin to inside dublin.

Commutes will vary a lot depending on your place in dublin, but prices won't vary as much. So for the same commute time via public transport, I can have a house for 1/5th the price of dublin.

Greyian · 24-11-2014 03:46PM

Xios wrote: »

What's your normal commute like? I live in Lucan, My commute to work on a motorbike is 40 minutes each way (fastest commute possible). If i took a car that could easily reach 90 minutes. By bus it'd take 2 hours each way (lucan to UCD + 20 minute walk). That's from inside dublin to inside dublin.

Commutes will vary a lot depending on your place in dublin, but prices won't vary as much. So for the same commute time via public transport, I can have a house for 1/5th the price of dublin.

My normal commute is 25-30 minutes (each way) and I travel by car. It's ~13km each way.

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