Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

kstand · 24-11-2014 10:41AM

Wilson did more in the time he had than RVP did in the whole game.
Thought Ashley Young played very well when he came on, got properly stuck in.
Could RVP be a bit burned out I wonder? Interesting to see how fit Falcao is.

beno619 · 24-11-2014 10:43AM

You'd have to be really worried about RVP. Its been a steady decline for 17 months now, last season his goals covered up the general poor play. Hopefully he gets over this slump but the signs aint good, he's the only player that hasnt recovered from the Moyes era.

Backstreet Moyes · 24-11-2014 10:49AM

I think RVP could do with a rest to be honest. I would love to see Wilson start but i think Mata playing off Rooney is the best thing right now.

kstand · 24-11-2014 10:50AM

beno619 wrote: »

You'd have to be really worried about RVP. Its been a steady decline for 17 months now, last season his goals covered up the general poor play. Hopefully he gets over this slump but the signs aint good, he's the only player that hasnt recovered from the Moyes era.

There is an argument that we now struggle to find his runs - when he was banging in goals he had the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Carrick feeding him. Our midfield has struggled and Feillaini is not creative in the slightest - we don't dominate and create from that sector of the pitch like we used to.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 11:06AM

I agree with that to an extent, it has been highlighted that he is making the runs, he is making the little moves but we are not finding him. RvP's poor form is not solely down to him, he is reliant on his team mates spotting him and playing him in. Hopefully as the team continues to gel this will become more natural

Backstreet Moyes · 24-11-2014 11:08AM

kstand wrote: »

There is an argument that we now struggle to find his runs - when he was banging in goals he had the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Carrick feeding him. Our midfield has struggled and Feillaini is not creative in the slightest - we don't dominate and create from that sector of the pitch like we used to.

While i agree he is not getting fantastic service but his finishing has been very poor. Those half chances he would take so often he has been missing lately. He doesn't look confident in front of goal at all.

beno619 · 24-11-2014 11:10AM

kstand wrote: »

There is an argument that we now struggle to find his runs - when he was banging in goals he had the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Carrick feeding him. Our midfield has struggled and Feillaini is not creative in the slightest - we don't dominate and create from that sector of the pitch like we used to.

This may be true but his biggest issue imo isnt the lack of goals its the fact that he's not contributing anything, in fact play usually breaks up after he receives the ball.

Thats why we keep hearing "Falcao/Wilson did more in 15mins that RVP" etc.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 11:10AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

While i agree he is not getting fantastic service but his finishing has been very poor. Those half chances he would take so often he has been missing lately. He doesn't look confident in front of goal at all.

Strikers curse, he needs goals to build confidence and while confidence is low he is not finishing as you would expect him to when in full flow

advertsfox · 24-11-2014 11:11AM

"This is my ball, there are many like it but this one is mine..."

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killwill · 24-11-2014 11:11AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Herrera has been available for nearly a month now, has he not been on the bench for the last few games? How many months does it take to get back to fitness? Not to mention that this doesn't seem to apply to the also returning Micheal Carrick.

I also like how Herrera has gone from being an actual midfielder to some sort of number ten who can't defend.

He wasn't fit for the last month.
He started a game wearing a protective support around his chest.
He was taken off at halftime and I believe didnt feature in a game since.

Backstreet Moyes · 24-11-2014 11:13AM

Also against Arsenal i can't believe people can complain really. We were away to a very talented side with loads of attacking options. Our defence was two wingers, two reserve players and Smalling.

We set up to soak up pressure and catch them on the counter. While they dominated they didn't create much many clear chances.

We caught them on the counter for the second goal and Di Maria should have made it 3-0.

I don't care how it happened but to get an away victory against out main rivals for 3rd was massive.

Backstreet Moyes · 24-11-2014 11:18AM

beno619 wrote: »

This may be true but his biggest issue imo isnt the lack of goals its the fact that he's not contributing anything, in fact play usually breaks up after he receives the ball.

Thats why we keep hearing "Falcao/Wilson did more in 15mins that RVP" etc.

I disagree with he is not contributing anything i just don't think he is getting enough service.

I was over at the Chelsea game he was making great runs off the ball but we couldn't find him. He dropped deep and took it on the chest and sprayed balls out for the full backs a few times for the few chances we created.

His finishing i would question at the moment but not his all around play. I would worry about the fact he looks so isolated up front.

Also this Wilson thing annoys me what has he done. He has great pace and has made a few good runs into the corner against tired defenders. Yes he looks lethal underage but his performances are being overhyped because he is young.

If RVP is to be dropped it should be for Rooney with Mata coming in to the side.

bucketybuck · 24-11-2014 11:28AM

killwill wrote: »

He wasn't fit for the last month.
He started a game wearing a protective support around his chest.
He was taken off at halftime and I believe didnt feature in a game since.

His last start was against West Brom on the 20th October, which is indeed a month ago.

Since then he has been an unused substitute for our last four games. Sometimes an unfit player will be on the bench for emergencies, but not for four games in a row. He cannot have the excuse of being injured, he has been available for selection for a month, LVG just isn't picking him.

RobertKK · 24-11-2014 11:28AM

LVG was clever when he came in, looked at the players and declared Young is a defender, and in fairness to Ashley Young, you wouldn't sell him at the moment as he has something to offer when needed.

Any fan complaining about Young at this moment in time is just being silly in my opinion.

My favourite moment on Saturday when Valencia did his usual hitting a ball at a defender and actually causing an own goal.
Normally we have to complain about him doing that :pac:

killwill · 24-11-2014 11:30AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

His last start was against West Brom on the 20th October, which is indeed a month ago.

Since then he has been an unused substitute for our last four games. Sometimes an unfit player will be on the bench for emergencies, but not for four games in a row. He cannot have the excuse of being injured, he has been available for selection for a month, LVG just isn't picking him.

I didnt realise he was on the bench for the last 4 games. Obviously out of favour!

Mitch Connor · 24-11-2014 11:35AM

killwill wrote: »

I didnt realise he was on the bench for the last 4 games. Obviously out of favour!

He was rushed back, and was wearing protective padding. It is possible that he could be ABLE to play at the moment, if we really need him too but that it would be better to rest him so that his broken rib fully heals.

kstand · 24-11-2014 11:37AM

It hasn't been a bad few weeks. We got a draw with Chelsea, we might well have got something at City but for Smalling getting red carded and we go to the Emirates and win. We have 2 home games we should be able to use to build in preparation for the trip to Southampton then the biggest home of the season against the Pool. We rode our luck a bit Saturday but the win should give the young lads confidance and another couple of wins and we are in a good place.

24-11-2014 11:41AM

Blatter wrote: »

Unless they've changed the rules recently, no action will be taken against Wilshere because the ref saw the incident and 'dealt' with it by talking to both players.

Fair enough. I thought that once there wasn't a card issued or a free kick/penalty awarded then there could be something done about it. I didn't know "Here, cut it out you bastards" was considered 'dealt with'. Thanks for clearing that up Blatter.

Crimson King · 24-11-2014 11:47AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He was rushed back, and was wearing protective padding. It is possible that he could be ABLE to play at the moment, if we really need him too but that it would be better to rest him so that his broken rib fully heals.

Personally I was shocked when he started so soon after the rib injury and was not at all surprised when he went off at half time in that game. Shows how bad for numbers we were at the time. Looking at www.physioroom.com and its great to see United are now down to third position in that league with 8 players injured. long may that fall continue when only two weeks ago the club were outright leaders with 12/13 players.

I see the earliest defender back is Evans with a 2nd December date. thankfully the next two games are at home. Although how accurate that is I dunno, supposedly Falcao tweeted he is back in training and 'raring to go' or something like that and his return date is set at 8th December.

PaddyCar · 24-11-2014 11:48AM

Are neither of Uniteds next 2 home games live on tv?

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 11:49AM

killwill wrote: »

I didnt realise he was on the bench for the last 4 games. Obviously out of favour!

Im really not sure if you are being sarcastic or not?

madcabbage · 24-11-2014 11:57AM

PaddyCar wrote: »

Are neither of Uniteds next 2 home games live on tv?

No looks like the foreign TV stations have the broadcasting rights for them.

kstand · 24-11-2014 11:57AM

PaddyCar wrote: »

Are neither of Uniteds next 2 home games live on tv?

Doesn't look like it. Setanta are showing Liverpool on Saturday.

madcabbage · 24-11-2014 12:11PM

kstand wrote: »

Doesn't look like it. Setanta are showing Liverpool on Saturday.

Might as well be Comedy Central!

killwill · 24-11-2014 12:11PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Im really not sure if you are being sarcastic or not?

HAHA. No I was serious.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 12:14PM

madcabbage wrote: »

Might as well be Comedy Central!

Of the Liverpool and man United jokes, this is the worst one of all. It's just above where some Lad puts a team DVD in the comedy section.

beno619 · 24-11-2014 12:17PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I disagree with he is not contributing anything i just don't think he is getting enough service.

I was over at the Chelsea game he was making great runs off the ball but we couldn't find him. He dropped deep and took it on the chest and sprayed balls out for the full backs a few times for the few chances we created.

His finishing i would question at the moment but not his all around play. I would worry about the fact he looks so isolated up front.

Also this Wilson thing annoys me what has he done. He has great pace and has made a few good runs into the corner against tired defenders. Yes he looks lethal underage but his performances are being overhyped because he is young.

If RVP is to be dropped it should be for Rooney with Mata coming in to the side.

Ahh he was pretty awful against Arsenal, Chelsea was probably one of his better recent performances.

I only think Wilson is getting praise because of how poor RVP has been, Wilson has at least been able to take a decent touch, drop the shoulder and pick out a 5 yard pass. Id agree Rooney and Mata should be ahead of both.

Nobody is over hyping him they just see his getting basics right.

Your Airbag · 24-11-2014 12:21PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Also against Arsenal i can't believe people can complain really. We were away to a very talented side with loads of attacking options. Our defence was two wingers, two reserve players and Smalling.

We set up to soak up pressure and catch them on the counter. While they dominated they didn't create much many clear chances.

We caught them on the counter for the second goal and Di Maria should have made it 3-0.

I don't care how it happened but to get an away victory against out main rivals for 3rd was massive.

While I'm also delighted with the 3 points, the 4th place, the beating of a rival and I agree with the majority of your post the part in bold sticks out.

We could and should have been at least two goals down in the first 20 mins and looking at a totally different scenario for the next 70 mins.

Wilshere missed a sitter or two, Welbeck should have had one only for he scuffed a shot off McNair.

It wasn't down to us soaking up the pressure well in the opening exchanges, tbh we were a mess at the back but we got a slice of luck or two and then grew into the game.

Yes it was a makeshift defense but still I would of expected better defensive cover and awareness from the entire team, especially the MF.

LVG is worrying me a little, we switched to a three CB formation for Saturday and lots of players looked confused. In other games with a normal two CB & FB defense they have also looked a little puzzled at times. Maybe its mainly down to the inexperience of our defense but that stops there and its no excuse for the entire team struggling with a system as we have seen at other times. We haven't gel'ed properly yet and LVGs tactics haven't clicked into place yet so I'm worried about is it that complex a system, or is it his inability to impose it, or is it the wrong style for the EPL?

We looked shaky, slow out of the box, reliant on luck and not very free flowing a few times too many this season just like Saturday.

Hopefully an experienced CB pair and a RB will steady us from January until the season closes out.

Cantona's Collars · 24-11-2014 12:32PM

RVP had just 13 touches of the ball against Arsenal and 3 or those were corners.

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Crimson King · 24-11-2014 01:04PM

Someone said it in the match thread, apparantly RVP had two completed passes in the game and one was from a kick off. If that's true then he needs to be dropped, and as much as I admire what LVG has done so far with the injuries the team has suffered its simply not acceptable for a player to have as poor as stats as that and still be included as a starter.

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