Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Mantis Toboggan

Crimson King wrote: »

Someone said it in the match thread, apparantly RVP had two completed passes in the game and one was from a kick off. If that's true then he needs to be dropped, and as much as I admire what LVG has done so far with the injuries the team has suffered its simply not acceptable for a player to have as poor as stats as that and still be included as a starter.

That's shocking, I also heard that De Gea had more touches of the ball than Rooney which shows just how poor we were.

Mitch Connor

Crimson King wrote: »

Someone said it in the match thread, apparantly RVP had two completed passes in the game and one was from a kick off. If that's true then he needs to be dropped, and as much as I admire what LVG has done so far with the injuries the team has suffered its simply not acceptable for a player to have as poor as stats as that and still be included as a starter.

I wasn't able to watch the full game, so I don't want to comment on RVP specifically.

However, if you watched the game - how would you answer the following questions?

1. Did RVP make intelligent runs when we had the ball?
2. Did RVP lose the ball cheaply when he had the ball?
3. Did he miss-place passes poorly?

It could be RVP was rubbish - but based on the formation and stats of the game, as well as the bits I did see, I would also assume that he was quite isolated and outnumbered for much of the game. our stats can be crap without having done anything wrong youself in a game you find yourself isolated in. His lack of touches could be down to United being unable to get the ball in to him rather than a disinterest on his part.

IncognitoMan

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I wasn't able to watch the full game, so I don't want to comment on RVP specifically.

However, if you watched the game - how would you answer the following questions?

1. Did RVP make intelligent runs when we had the ball?
2. Did RVP lose the ball cheaply when he had the ball?
3. Did he miss-place passes poorly?

It could be RVP was rubbish - but based on the formation and stats of the game, as well as the bits I did see, I would also assume that he was quite isolated and outnumbered for much of the game. our stats can be crap without having done anything wrong youself in a game you find yourself isolated in. His lack of touches could be down to United being unable to get the ball in to him rather than a disinterest on his part.

I think Gary Neville did a piece a few weeks ago to highlight this.

I would say yes RVP was isolated. I thought we lost the ball cheaply all over the pitch especially the first half. There wasn't a lot for RVP to get on the end of.

SpuddMurphy

Hope Herrera is fit for the game the weekend, miss watching his little one twos, don't want to rush him back though, also hope RVP is dropped and Rooney goes up top with Mata in behind

Dayum

RVP needs to go in the summer. I thought with LVG coming in he would play out of his skin but he's getting on a bit now and it might be the last time United could get a few quid for him....

United's defense is a shambles. Johnny Evans is a complete liability - I would rather Man Utd play with 10 men on the pitch than have Evans on the field. He is more of a hazard than a help. He might be a lovely guy to have a drink with down the pub but he's not a footballer in any way, shape or form by any stretch of the imagination. Ferguson let Pique go so that he could accommodate this Championship level stuff?! Pathetic. Evans shouldn't be within a hundred miles of a United jersey. Everytime the ball comes to him he physically looks like he's going to sh!t himself. Not comfortable at all on the ball. An absolute impostor stealing a living....I wouldn't send him for a bag of chips.

Kerrydude1981

IncognitoMan wrote: »

I think Gary Neville did a piece a few weeks ago to highlight this.

I would say yes RVP was isolated. I thought we lost the ball cheaply all over the pitch especially the first half. There wasn't a lot for RVP to get on the end of.

After the City game Neville showed a few clips of RVP making some great runs but the player on the ball wouldnt play it to him and went with the safer option.

Found it

Professey Chin

Dayum wrote: »

RVP needs to go in the summer. I thought with LVG coming in he would play out of his skin but he's getting on a bit now and it might be the last time United could get a few quid for him....

United's defense is a shambles. Johnny Evans is a complete liability - I would rather Man Utd play with 10 men on the pitch than have Evans on the field. He is more of a hazard than a help. He might be a lovely guy to have a drink with down the pub but he's not a footballer in any way, shape or form by any stretch of the imagination. Ferguson let Pique go so that he could accommodate this Championship level stuff?! Pathetic. Evans shouldn't be within a hundred miles of a United jersey. Everytime the ball comes to him he physically looks like he's going to sh!t himself. Not comfortable at all on the ball. An absolute impostor stealing a living....I wouldn't send him for a bag of chips.

So.....you think Evans shouldnt go back into the team when recovered?

keane2097

Buddy Holly wrote: »

That's shocking, I also heard that De Gea had more touches of the ball than Rooney which shows just how poor we were.

Do you have any reason to think the GK touching the ball more than a forward/striker is very unusual?

I don't know the answer myself but it doesn't seem very unlikely/unimaginable.

Dayum

Professey Chin wrote: »

So.....you think Evans shouldnt go back into the team when recovered?

I don't see a reason why when he'd fit in so nicely at Rotherham.

bucketybuck

Dayum wrote: »

United's defense is a shambles. Johnny Evans is a complete liability - I would rather Man Utd play with 10 men on the pitch than have Evans on the field. He is more of a hazard than a help. He might be a lovely guy to have a drink with down the pub but he's not a footballer in any way, shape or form by any stretch of the imagination. Ferguson let Pique go so that he could accommodate this Championship level stuff?! Pathetic. Evans shouldn't be within a hundred miles of a United jersey. Everytime the ball comes to him he physically looks like he's going to sh!t himself. Not comfortable at all on the ball. An absolute impostor stealing a living....I wouldn't send him for a bag of chips.

You must have been holding that one in for while...

adox

You have to laugh. Evans who has been injured for most of the season so far....

Ah sure I dont even know why I`m getting sucked in.

The Moldy Gowl

This thread gets to the stage where I don't know if people are being serious or sarcastic.

Surely people can't be so narrow minded?

Professey Chin

Sarcasm is very difficult to achieve over the internet

Giggsy11

That Gary Neville analysis is laughable. Every striker makes those runs, you can't expect that to be made count every single time. It's a shame that he blamed Blind for not playing Pirloesque/Scholesque passes. Every single striker makes those runs, it's clear that RVP lost any pace he had, not as good as he used to be in holding up the ball or make meaningful contribution to the team.

Problem is so obvious but Gary Neville wants to look elsewhere to blame to make it sound interesting.

He supported his argument saying no one spotted his runs, in the same way we can say RVP is not quick enough to get at the end of through balls as he lacks pace or he doesn't even attack the aerial ball. He backs off and relies on defender missing it rather than challenging defender in the box.

The Moldy Gowl

Professey Chin wrote: »

Sarcasm is very difficult to achieve over the internet

Yeah, sure it is. It's out of favour though.

Timmyctc

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That Gary Neville analysis is laughable. Every striker makes those runs, you can't expect that to be made count every single time. It's a shame that he blamed Blind for not playing Pirloesque/Scholesque passes. Every single striker makes those runs, it's clear that RVP lost any pace he had, not as good as he used to be in holding up the ball or make meaningful contribution to the team.

Problem is so obvious but Gary Neville wants to look elsewhere to blame to make it sound interesting.

He supported his argument saying no one spotted his runs, in the same way we can say RVP is not quick enough to get at the end of through balls as he lacks pace or he doesn't even attack the aerial ball. He backs off and relies on defender missing it rather than challenging defender in the box.

He isn't getting on the end of these intelligent through balls because the intelligent through balls aren't being played. 90% (statistic not verified) of our passes in the final third are usually to or behind players. Especially down the right with players like Valencia supplying the attack.

Timmyctc

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah, sure it is. It's out of favour though.

Can we make a mod request for a sarcasm font. Its really confusing me too atm. I'm not sure if half the posters here are satirical geniuses or actually footballingly retarded.

adox

Timmyctc wrote: »

Can we make a mod request for a sarcasm font. Its really confusing me too atm. I'm not sure if half the posters here are satirical geniuses or actually footballingly retarded.

I think it may be the latter but I`m not sure if I`m being sarcastic or not.

Mitch Connor

Timmyctc wrote: »

He isn't getting on the end of these intelligent through balls because the intelligent through balls aren't being played. 90% (statistic not verified) of our passes in the final third are usually to or behind players. Especially down the right with players like Valencia supplying the attack.

I think Herrera could make a difference there, if he could get into the team. Think he had the second highest amount of through balls played in La Liga last season. You could see it in the games he did play for us too - was looking for runners rather than people showing for it short.

Mata has disappointed me in the games he has played in this respect too.

There hasn't been enough speed and variation to our forward play in this season - the Palace game being a particular irritation on this point for me.

One of the reasons I am annoyed Welbeck was sold ties in to this; none of Rooney, Falcao or RVP are going to stretch a defence with their pace. Welbeck did offer that something different.

PhlegmyMoses

One positive from the last week is that it may be that time of the year for a Rooney purple patch. Somebody scoring regularly up front could take the pressure off a bit and let the team grow into LVG's systems. Matches may not feel as scrappy as they do now.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think Herrera could make a difference there, if he could get into the team. Think he had the second highest amount of through balls played in La Liga last season. You could see it in the games he did play for us too - was looking for runners rather than people showing for it short.

Mata has disappointed me in the games he has played in this respect too.

There hasn't been enough speed and variation to our forward play in this season - the Palace game being a particular irritation on this point for me.

One of the reasons I am annoyed Welbeck was sold ties in to this; none of Rooney, Falcao or RVP are going to stretch a defence with their pace. Welbeck did offer that something different.

I would agree expect Rooney / Di Maria got the goals on the counter with pace against Arsenal as an example.

PhlegmyMoses

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I would agree expect Rooney / Di Maria got the goals on the counter with pace against Arsenal as an example.

Arsenal came at us in a big way and left gaps. When teams sit back and defend deep, a player that plays on the shoulder gives you another option past getting it wide and crossing. A quick 5 yard run and a slipped through ball can open a match like that out.

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Arsenal came at us in a big way and left gaps. When teams sit back and defend deep, a player that plays on the shoulder gives you another option past getting it wide and crossing. A quick 5 yard run and a slipped through ball can open a match like that out.

Sorry, maybe my point wasn't very clear but I think when Rooney puts the boot down he still has an incredible injection of pace.
I know what he's getting at though, Welbeck was a different outlet and gave additional dynamic to the attack but Rooney still has the ability to do the same.

Nalz

Timmyctc wrote: »

Can we make a mod request for a sarcasm font. Its really confusing me too atm. I'm not sure if half the posters here are satirical geniuses or actually footballingly retarded.

hate the frequent use of that word - just saying

Your Airbag

Timmyctc wrote: »

Can we make a mod request for a sarcasm font. Its really confusing me too atm. I'm not sure if half the posters here are satirical geniuses or actually footballingly retarded.

adox wrote: »

I think it may be the latter but I`m not sure if I`m being sarcastic or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QrWzsfghA

madcabbage

Any word on Luke Shaws injury? Injury reports are stating 'no return' date.

Vic Vinegar

madcabbage wrote: »

Any word on Luke Shaws injury? Injury reports are stating 'no return' date.

Probably needs a scan or something, might need any swelling to go down first. I'm sure there'll be some news soon.

Lucas Hood

madcabbage wrote: »

Any word on Luke Shaws injury? Injury reports are stating 'no return' date.

Rip Luke.

Blatter

madcabbage wrote: »

Any word on Luke Shaws injury? Injury reports are stating 'no return' date.

It looked like a probable tear of his ankle ligaments. Could be anywhere between a few weeks and a few months out depending on how bad the tear was.

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

It looked like a probable tear of his ankle ligaments. Could be anywhere between a few weeks and a few months out depending on how bad the tear was.