Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

MagicMarker · 24-11-2014 12:36AM

kryogen wrote: »

The question was what kind of performance are people expecting all things considered?

What kind of level is the team supposed to be playing at with an out of form striker up top, a defence built on two players in their debut seasons, while being chopped and changed constantly and a midfield that is a revolving door of injuries also?

The defence yesterday had Smalling as the senior player, a winger at right and left and two teenagers making up the rest of the cast

I'd expect a team full of professional footballers to at least string 3 or 4 passes together, something we didn't do in the first half at least.

Robson99 · 24-11-2014 07:46AM

I wonder are Herrera's days numbered. He is not getting a look in even from the bench
Despite starting very promising. Cant figure it out

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 08:01AM

Robson99 wrote: »

I wonder are Herrera's days numbered. He is not getting a look in even from the bench
Despite starting very promising. Cant figure it out

That's ridiculous. He is coming back from injury and Fellaini is our best player these last few matcha. He will get his chance.

Once we get our defence back and sorted then we won't 'need' fellainis strength

Robson99 · 24-11-2014 08:15AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's ridiculous. He is coming back from injury and Fellaini is our best player these last few matcha. He will get his chance.

Once we get our defence back and sorted then we won't 'need' fellainis strength

Ridiculous??? Your having a laugh. If hes fit enough for the bench he should be fit enough to play. Carrick is just back as well.

Quandary · 24-11-2014 08:18AM

What a great weekend of sport that was

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 08:18AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Ridiculous??? Your having a laugh. If hes fit enough for the bench he should be fit enough to play. Carrick is just back as well.

Who is he going to displace? He isn't a defensive midfielder, carrick is.

It's between Fellaini and Herrera for the other midfield spot. At this moment in time Fellaini is rightly ahead of him.

And with our defense very inexperienced, I would prefer Fellaini being around to cover the back line. I wouldn't call his days numbered just yet.

Mantis Toboggan · 24-11-2014 08:21AM

Robson99 wrote: »

I wonder are Herrera's days numbered. He is not getting a look in even from the bench
Despite starting very promising. Cant figure it out

He was decent at the start but nothing fantastic. Carrick coming back into the team ahead of him is very worrying. LVG seems to have very little faith in him.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 08:22AM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

He was decent at the start but nothing fantastic. Carrick coming back into the team ahead of him is very worrying. LVG seems to have very little faith in him.

Carrick came in for blind?

Mantis Toboggan · 24-11-2014 08:27AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Carrick came in for blind?

Aye, and if LVG thought herrara is good enough he would have done anything to get him back in the side.

killwill · 24-11-2014 08:29AM

Lads, there are probably several reasons why Herrera was on the bench the other day.
One of them being lack of match fitness due to injury.
I would also think that given Uniteds defensive crisis and our back 3 yesterday consisting of McNair-Smalling-Blackett, Fellaini and Carrick were picked ahead of him for their defensive abilities.
Herrera is a serious footballer and will be a consistent first teamer this year for United IMO.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 08:35AM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Aye, and if LVG thought herrara is good enough he would have done anything to get him back in the side.

Better than Fellaini at the moment in time while our defense is made up of youth players?
He wouldn't be able to protect the back line as well. That's why carrick and Fellaini are in the team right now. This should change once the defense is fit.

You can't have an overly attacking team with no defense.

I would prefer to play cautious right now with the defense. They are young and will end up making a mistake that will cost the match. You need to limit the chances of that happening.

KH25 · 24-11-2014 08:49AM

I'm reading nothing into Hererra being benched. It's obvious to me that LVG sees Carrick and Blind performing a similar defensive role, hence why Carrick is playing. Herrera and Fellaini are quite rightly being used further up and at the moment Fellaini is playing very well.

bucketybuck · 24-11-2014 08:56AM

killwill wrote: »

One of them being lack of match fitness due to injury.

Herrera has been available for nearly a month now, has he not been on the bench for the last few games? How many months does it take to get back to fitness? Not to mention that this doesn't seem to apply to the also returning Micheal Carrick.

I also like how Herrera has gone from being an actual midfielder to some sort of number ten who can't defend.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 09:02AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Herrera has been available for nearly a month now, has he not been on the bench for the last few games? How many months does it take to get back to fitness? Not to mention that this doesn't seem to apply to the also returning Micheal Carrick.

I also like how Herrera has gone from being an actual midfielder to some sort of number ten who can't defend.

Well he isn't as experienced or as defensive enough as carrick- we needed experienced defensive players. We have McNair and Blackett who are getting their chance by sheer luck. Where were they last year?

We needed strength in defense, Fellaini.

Unfortunately we needed to be defensive the last month. Fellaini has done a good job. Why drop him for someone for someone who might not be as good defensively.

I wouldn't worry about him or mata. Let's get our defense sorted first. Then we can build our attack from that.

bucketybuck · 24-11-2014 09:09AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Unfortunately we needed to be defensive the last month. Fellaini has done a good job. Why drop him for someone for someone who might not be as good defensively.

We shouldn't drop him, we should play them both and stop trying to play two strikers.

Giggsy11 · 24-11-2014 09:11AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Herrera has been available for nearly a month now, has he not been on the bench for the last few games? How many months does it take to get back to fitness? Not to mention that this doesn't seem to apply to the also returning Micheal Carrick.

I also like how Herrera has gone from being an actual midfielder to some sort of number ten who can't defend.

I agree. I think only reason Herrera is not playing is because of Fellaini and Van Gaal liked what he got from Fellaini. He said we need physical presence in PL (after WBA game I think) and from that day Fellaini started all games and we somewhat looked better defensively.

Hopefully there is some way where we can start Herrera all games.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 09:19AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

We shouldn't drop him, we should play them both and stop trying to play two strikers.

Drop rvp for Ander? Yeah suppose we could. Looks likes he is trying to play rvp into form though.

FortuneChip · 24-11-2014 09:36AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Drop rvp for Ander? Yeah suppose we could. Looks likes he is trying to play rvp into form though.

I think you're right, but it's not working.
Can't see him getting dropped either.

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 09:46AM

FortuneChip wrote: »

I think you're right, but it's not working.
Can't see him getting dropped either.

It Hasn't been working recently alright. But I don't think he is going to do a Torres.

I think I would rather him playing into form rather than sit on the bench. That's probably not popular here but he isn't going to get into form on the bench. I think the tactic of starting him and subbing him for Wilson is good. Maybe could start Wilson next an bring him on maybe.

Will be interesting when falcao comes back next week or whenever.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 09:51AM

Its pretty obvious Herrera is competing with Fellaini for a spot in the starting line up, Van Gaal is all about roles, and Carrick and Blind share one, which is why you see Carrick in the team, what exactly does it say to Fellaini if Herrera just strolls straight back into the team after an injury and Fellaini has played very well? Fellaini being in the team on merit doesn't mean Herrera has no future at the club.

Its not that hard like.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 09:54AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

We shouldn't drop him, we should play them both and stop trying to play two strikers.

You mean don't play Carrick?

Van Gaal has roles for everyone on the pitch, his midfielders tend to be separated into category's, deep lying defensive, box to box and offensive

Blind/Carrick - defensive
Herrera/Fellaini - box to box

To drop Fellaini for Herrera right now would send the wrong message to Fellaini and destroy the confidence he has been building up and showing. Herrera will get his chance again.

Mr_Red · 24-11-2014 09:55AM

Borussia Dortmund’s Marco Reus out for rest of year with torn ligaments

FortuneChip · 24-11-2014 09:58AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It Hasn't been working recently alright. But I don't think he is going to do a Torres.

I think I would rather him playing into form rather than sit on the bench. That's probably not popular here but he isn't going to get into form on the bench. I think the tactic of starting him and subbing him for Wilson is good. Maybe could start Wilson next an bring him on maybe.

Will be interesting when falcao comes back next week or whenever.

Well, RVP really should be taking any chance he has next week against Hull.
I'd hope confidence is high enough after the Arsenal win to at least play with the intention of steamrolling them.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 09:59AM

Mr_Red wrote: »

Borussia Dortmund’s Marco Reus out for rest of year with torn ligaments

Yeah I think he is another one to be crossing off the wish list to be honest, too many injuries at this point. Shame his career is being hampered so badly by them and hope he can come back next year and try again to stay fit. When fit he is wonderful to watch but he is going to be 26 by the time next season rolls around and there has been no let up in the injuries

The ankles have been giving trouble for a while now

bucketybuck · 24-11-2014 09:59AM

kryogen wrote: »

You mean don't play Carrick?

Well, I didn't say drop Carrick, but I'm not his biggest fan so I probably would prefer somebody else in there.

I said that we should stop trying to shoehorn in 2 strikers, play Carrick, Felliani and Herrera in midfield with just one striker up front.

If it is going to be two in midfield then yes, play Herrera and Felliani. Remember how Herrera was supposed to be a midfielder?

The Moldy Gowl · 24-11-2014 10:00AM

Herrera is a midfielder?

kryogen · 24-11-2014 10:02AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well, I didn't say drop Carrick, but I'm not his biggest fan so I probably would prefer somebody else in there.

I said that we should stop trying to shoehorn in 2 strikers, play Carrick, Felliani and Herrera in midfield with just one striker up front.

If it is going to be two in midfield then yes, play Herrera and Felliani. Remember how Herrera was supposed to be a midfielder?

Herrera is a midfielder though?

He got injured, Fellaini came in and performed well in his place so has retained it.

Talking about dropping one of the strikers is a different conversation, he is competing with Fellaini for a midfield spot at the moment and right now Fellaini is in the team on merit.

beno619 · 24-11-2014 10:18AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

It Hasn't been working recently alright. But I don't think he is going to do a Torres.

I think I would rather him playing into form rather than sit on the bench. That's probably not popular here but he isn't going to get into form on the bench. I think the tactic of starting him and subbing him for Wilson is good. Maybe could start Wilson next an bring him on maybe.

Will be interesting when falcao comes back next week or whenever.

Right now he contributes nothing, I really dont mind the lack of goals but the lack of contribution of anything meaningful is pretty desperate, Mata, Jan, Wilson id give any of them a shot at this point.

advertsfox · 24-11-2014 10:23AM

Vimeo Footage Returns for the Arsenal match - I love this mans reactions! The silence before Rooneys chip goes in is immense

http://vimeo.com/112621835

Mantis Toboggan · 24-11-2014 10:36AM

Think if RVP doesn't play well against Hull then he has to be dropped end of story. No of this he has to play himself into form ****e. We cannot be carrying players and right now he has not been good enough.

Thought Rooney really played well on Saturday. Would like to see him start up top on his own with di Maria and Mata in behind. Carrick Fellani and herrara in behind them.

Anymore defenders likely to be back for Saturday?

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