Sinead O' Connor's words on the Late Late

Phoebas · 22-11-2014 03:05AM

stretchdoe wrote: »

Of course there's no objective evidence and of course i'm not suggesting it's definite that my interpretation is objectively true.

I merely gave my opinion on what i watched and responded to you because you suggested my opinion was outlandish.

I disagree that it was outlandish and would stand by interpretation, without insisting that it's fact.

But a few minutes ago you described the premise (of the idea) as crazy.

I agree the premise is crazy but it happened.

You were dead right.

Mountainsandh · 22-11-2014 03:07AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Would you say there was a meeting - some kind of secret meeting maybe between some RTE bosses and some government officials?
In the meeting, did they come up with a plan where someone suggested that they should get Sinead on the TV hoping that she'd talk about Irish Water and that she'd come across as a little bit bonkers and that might sway public opinion back towards the government?
And did the RTE side agree that this all sounded like a grand plan and went off to make the arrangements?

That sounds far fetched to me. Bonkers even.

No, i think it'd be more in the lines of "O'Connor on show ? Ahh... Jaysus, no, she'll stir up $hit again... Ahh sure let her, worst case scenario it will just show people a bit what nutters water protesters draw on themselves."

stretchdoe · 22-11-2014 03:12AM

Phoebas wrote: »

But a few minutes ago you described the premise (of the idea) as crazy.

You were dead right.

Nope.

I didn't describe the 'premise' of my argument/interpretation of what happened as crazy.

I described what, in my opinion, motivated the late late show/tubridy to do what they did as crazy.

Phoebas · 22-11-2014 03:21AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I was impressed too.
And really, all of the above. I just agree with all the comments on this thread, except the self promotion thing, and the hypocrisy thing.
She's a bit bonkers, unstable, troubled, attention seeking, talented, and more.
But she spoke well, she did admonish all sides to act peacefully, and had a point with the new Republic.

Mountainsandh wrote: »

No, i think it'd be more in the lines of "O'Connor on show ? Ahh... Jaysus, no, she'll stir up $hit again... Ahh sure let her, worst case scenario it will just show people a bit what nutters water protesters draw on themselves."

So, in summary, you were impressed by her performance, you thought she spoke well and agreed with some of what she had to say, but you think inviting her on was a conspiracy to paint people who agree with her as 'nutters'.

Tinkersbell · 22-11-2014 03:31AM

nocoverart wrote: »

Sidetracking here, but what the fcuk is it with our obsession with chat shows in this country? Late Late, that clown from Cork on a Saturday night, all them afternoon shows that are discussing nothing but morbid topics . Each one of these shows having the same guests or similar, no wonder half the Grannies in Ireland are depressed.

We have a government, and a gang of 4, who don't listen to their electorate.
The latest climbdown is just a government intent on survival, nothing else.
Party politics and party survival is the name of the game.
Party before the people.
Goodbye FG, goodbye Labour, your time is coming to an end.

It could have been so different, a new dawn, a new way, a new republic...but FG/Labour decided to nail the Irish people to the cross to appease their betters in the EU.
Solidarity went out the window, it's the reason why the EU is doomed to failure.

Phoebas · 22-11-2014 03:35AM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

We have a government, and a gang of 4, who don't listen to their electorate.
The latest climbdown is just a government intent on survival, nothing else.
Party politics and party survival is the name of the game.
Party before the people.
Goodbye FG, goodbye Labour, your time is coming to an end.

It could have been so different, a new dawn, a new way, a new republic...but FG/Labour decided to nail the Irish people to the cross to appease their betters in the EU.
Solidarity went out the window, it's the reason why the EU is doomed to failure.

The government are now responsible for the declining standards of chat shows in the country.

This thread has jumped the shark.

AndonHandon · 22-11-2014 03:38AM

buried wrote: »

She's right, and her ancestry and lineage has a lot to do with how she perceives and sees the current situation. As an O'Connor, she is part one of the oldest family lines and lineage on this Island, and that lineage surpasses 1916, 1921, all of that mess which has led to the dysfunctional nation we have to endure today. Her family, ancestry and lineage have been on this island for more than 3000 years. She obviously knows this and obviously feels involved with the current clusterf**k situation where our island's people are being frog-marched into signing up to pay for their own resources to be gifted, grabbed, and ultimately abused by corporations and the international money markets, who do not give a damn about our country, people, history, lineage, culture and island.

Water is a resource, drinking water is treated and pumped into homes; this is not done cheaply.

nocoverart · 22-11-2014 03:42AM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

We have a government, and a gang of 4, who don't listen to their electorate.
The latest climbdown is just a government intent on survival, nothing else.
Party politics and party survival is the name of the game.
Party before the people.
Goodbye FG, goodbye Labour, your time is coming to an end.

It could have been so different, a new dawn, a new way, a new republic...but FG/Labour decided to nail the Irish people to the cross to appease their betters in the EU.
Solidarity went out the window, it's the reason why the EU is doomed to failure.

My post was more about sh1t TV, and our obsession with drowning in dross topics, but you carry on. You're clearly neck up in this sh1t.

Lone Stone · 22-11-2014 04:50AM

I was really taken back by her words. It was so well said and moving, it made me think about our republic and why it is this way, which i never did before. It really spoke to me, am i fed up with politics and
And corruption, yes. But i never asked why its that way here. A new republic a new constitution with peoples interest and futur generations enshrined in it our natural resorces safe guarded and politions and police who would face real consequences for corruption etc.

diomed · 22-11-2014 05:29AM

Sinead O'Connor / Roy Keane
That would be one cranky baby.

Nodin · 22-11-2014 06:23AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Did people see?

She challenged the channel RTE on it's objectivity as a state broadcaster and interviewed Ryan as she turned the tables.

She said that she thought that politicians were distancing themselves from the 1916 rising because they were afraid of a peaceful political movement that seems to be stemming from the water charges protest.

She said that the republic failed largely because it came from a violent rising and that which stems from violence will ultimately become corrupt as the organic political bodies and ideals necessary for a great country don't evolve. I would say there is something in that. Look at Norway ..and then us. Look at the Baltic states that which comes form violent revolution does not evolve into a fair humanistic country.

............

France. America. Finland. Netherlands. Off the top of my head.

Areyouwell · 22-11-2014 06:48AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

She's full of shìt. Seriously. Clambering on the nearest bandwagon.

One thing I would never accuse her of is jumping on the bandwagon.

smcgiff · 22-11-2014 07:40AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Fcuk but she was beautiful.

She was, hasn't aged well though. Both Kenny and the LLS Gay Byrne are a big loss.

Sinead is intelligent, as is her brother. But cannot take her seriously.

smcgiff · 22-11-2014 08:03AM

AndonHandon wrote: »

Water is a resource, drinking water is treated and pumped into homes; this is not done cheaply.

First order of business in the New Republic is to make it rain champagne.

pow wow · 22-11-2014 09:30AM

I wouldn't usually have much time for her but I have to say I was pleasantly surprised at how eloquent and balanced she was when stating her views, even though I don't necessarily share them. She wasn't half as shouty as I was expectig and was quite....charming in a way.

Icepick · 22-11-2014 09:57AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

She said that the republic failed largely because it came from a violent rising and that which stems from violence will ultimately become corrupt as the organic political bodies and ideals necessary for a great country don't evolve. I would say there is something in that. Look at Norway ..and then us. Look at the Baltic states that which comes form violent revolution does not evolve into a fair humanistic country.

This is nonsense.
Ireland is not a failed country, far from it. It's one of the most prosperous countries in the world still.
Ireland didn't experience that kind of violence the rest of Europe experienced during WW II, including Norway, which was ruled by a Nazi government for 5 years.
There is also nothing peaceful about people who want you to pay for their unreasonable expectations. And there is definitely nothing peaceful about the communist thugs (such as Anti-Austerity Alliance) who want everybody to be as miserable as they are.

Mountainsandh · 22-11-2014 09:57AM

Phoebas wrote: »

So, in summary, you were impressed by her performance, you thought she spoke well and agreed with some of what she had to say, but you think inviting her on was a conspiracy to paint people who agree with her as 'nutters'.

Knock yourself out with that misrepresentation of my point if you wish, I think I have explained clearly enough for others.

Lukehandypants · 22-11-2014 10:05AM

I'm not a fan, admittedly she has a fantastic voice though.
As the interview began I was beginning to climb behind the sofa and as she decided to switch places with Ryan I could only watch from the back garden.
The whole switching with Ryan was an attempt at fluff but it was actually SinÃ©ad just throwing her own agenda all over the place and mixing it in with ha ha I have an earpiece just to keep it light enough to keep stop people from been too freaked out by her call for a second Republic.
I saw someone earlier on pointed out that she said that any country that was freed with violence will fail but the example of America and France was used to negate that point.
I kinda like her idea of a second Republic but what would a second Republic be?
Would she be the new Taoiseach and Bob Geldof as the tÃ¡naiste and bono as the president?
Will the country be run by pop stars and Irish ex pats that live in London and refer to themselves as paddy's just to fit in with the British?

If not ex pop stars then who?

How would this work and not be yet another shambles of corruption and back handers?

Should we leave the EU?

SinÃ©ad didn't offer any of these answers, it's like she has the vague idea and none of the answers herself.

I personally think it might be interesting to have a second Republic brought about by peaceful means.
But it has way to many problems and could just end up like Devs splendid isolation trying to do everything ourselves and ending up just a big mess.

lufties · 22-11-2014 10:13AM

She ****ing loves the sound of her own voice, isn't she peddaling an album? Its all to easy to use an opportunity like last night when the public are seething with anger at the government. There is indeed a second republic needed, but sinead is a bandwagon jumper. Sick of her.

Mountainsandh · 22-11-2014 10:18AM

How can one person have all the answers. I think she is suggesting that people should think together on this. Not that she or anyone else should have a precise plan of who'll do what and how.
Start with ideals.

20Cent · 22-11-2014 10:30AM

Artists traditionally held up a mirror to society or revealed something about themselves in their work. Their art was their medium for expressing themselves. Nowadays the vast majority of what we see on television particularly with music is airbrushed and PR prepared so much to the extent that they are no longer recognisable as artists and are products. Most interviews are pre scripted anecdotes designed to sell more product rather than an insight into a person and their ideas. Boy band who are single and love their mammies etc.
Watched the last few Glastonbury highlight shows on tv and didn't hear much in the way of social commentary. Like Jimi Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner or the political type bands there were in the 60's and 70's.
So when an actual artist does come on I think they seem odd compared to the rest and we are not used to them going beyond inane chat and into areas outside of the usual "acceptable" issues. Anyone who puts their head above the parapet gets called attentions seeking or mad but they are just doing what artists are supposed to do push boundaries and start discussion on the things we might not want to discuss. Refreshing and interesting to hear someone speaking from the heart for once.

LeinsterDub · 22-11-2014 10:32AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

How can one person have all the answers. I think she is suggesting that people should think together on this. Not that she or anyone else should have a precise plan of who'll do what and how.
Start with ideals.

Ideal 1. If we all **** in a field we'll save water

DeadHand · 22-11-2014 10:41AM

smcgiff wrote: »

Both Kenny and the LLS Gay Byrne are a big loss.

Gay is, sure, Pat... Not so much.

Watched it for the first time in ages last week... Graham Norton ran rings around Tubridy in terms of wit, eloquence and charm. Couldn't help wishing Norton would stick around to conduct the rest of the interviews, he's just so much easier to watch.

Tubridy is just smug. Not half as clever as he clearly likes to think he is.

Saipanne · 22-11-2014 10:43AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Did people see?

She challenged the channel RTE on it's objectivity as a state broadcaster and interviewed Ryan as she turned the tables.

She said that she thought that politicians were distancing themselves from the 1916 rising because they were afraid of a peaceful political movement that seems to be stemming from the water charges protest.

She said that the republic failed largely because it came from a violent rising and that which stems from violence will ultimately become corrupt as the organic political bodies and ideals necessary for a great country don't evolve. I would say there is something in that. Look at Norway ..and then us. Look at the Baltic states that which comes form violent revolution does not evolve into a fair humanistic country.

She urged the need for peaceful protest and chastised the violence against the woman been thrown about that was caught on camera.

Did people see what she said. I thought she was amazing.

I am not usually a fan of hers but she said some very insightful things and kept it very sane and VERY moderate.

What would you think is the main difference between Norway and Ireland?

Hint: Its black.... and its not stout.

yipeeeee · 22-11-2014 10:49AM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Did people see?

She challenged the channel RTE on it's objectivity as a state broadcaster and interviewed Ryan as she turned the tables.

She said that she thought that politicians were distancing themselves from the 1916 rising because they were afraid of a peaceful political movement that seems to be stemming from the water charges protest.

She said that the republic failed largely because it came from a violent rising and that which stems from violence will ultimately become corrupt as the organic political bodies and ideals necessary for a great country don't evolve. I would say there is something in that. Look at Norway ..and then us. Look at the Baltic states that which comes form violent revolution does not evolve into a fair humanistic country.

She urged the need for peaceful protest and chastised the violence against the woman been thrown about that was caught on camera.

Did people see what she said. I thought she was amazing.

I am not usually a fan of hers but she said some very insightful things and kept it very sane and VERY moderate.

Hold on I'm confused??

She says the government are distancing themselves from the violence of 1916, but then she said 1916 was a bad thing,so surely she is saying the government are right??????

twinytwo · 22-11-2014 11:21AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

We need to do more than just change the parties, we have to change the structure and rules of the Dail.

Exactly, if we want proper change in the country it needs to start at the very top.

How many TD's actually put the country first rather than their own pockets?

Wibbs · 22-11-2014 11:25AM

buried wrote: »

She's right, and her ancestry and lineage has a lot to do with how she perceives and sees the current situation. As an O'Connor, she is part one of the oldest family lines and lineage on this Island, and that lineage surpasses 1916, 1921, all of that mess which has led to the dysfunctional nation we have to endure today. Her family, ancestry and lineage have been on this island for more than 3000 years.

Eh... wut? Chances are low enough that she's of the direct O'Connor lineage as people tended to attach the name to themselves in different areas of the country and even if she was it goes back to the 10th/11th century. Nowhere even close to 3000 years

smcgiff · 22-11-2014 11:32AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Gay is, sure, Pat... Not so much.

Agreed.

I meant Kenny Everett.

jank · 22-11-2014 04:09PM

Nodin wrote: »

France. America. Finland. Netherlands. Off the top of my head.

WTF? Are you forgetting the tyranny that resulted in France post revolution which gave rise to Napoleon? France is on its 6th republic FFS! America is still on its first.

Nodin · 22-11-2014 04:13PM

jank wrote: »

WTF? Are you forgetting the tyranny that resulted in France post revolution which gave rise to Napoleon? France is on its 6th republic FFS! America is still on its first.

Sorry, did France get stuck in a time warp? If I go over the French border now will I end up witnessing Robspierre and co at work?

Sinead O' Connor's words on the Late Late

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