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Aborting a Down Syndrome Twin at full term.

  • 21-11-2014 10:07AM
    #1
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?


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  • Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    each to their own,
    whats it got to do with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,907 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

    can we have a Link?

    And an apology for bring the nazi's into a thread on the first post.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    What's 'close to full tern?' iirc, abortions are only legal up to 24 weeks, not full term.

    Edit: ridiculous thread title, too. Nothing you've posted indicates that full term abortions are being offered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    Sounds like utter BS to me the kinda sick rumours the Pro "life" camp spread. Abortion is only legal up to 24 weeks and even at that stage is extremely rare in countries with access to abortion 80 per cent are carried out at under 8 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    You sure it wasn't the UK equivilant of Chris Barry's phoneshow?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    This thread title is pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭michellie


    Full term?? In what country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,947 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?


    1) No

    2) The only person whose morality is relevant in that situation is the person who has to make that decision.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

    Sounds like horsesh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

    I've re-read this a few times and I've spotted one or two things (in bold) which don't make sense.
    The way this post has been written makes it sound like having DS is guaranteed to happen.
    The next thing I spotted was the "potential" part. So according to this interview they are saying that DS is somewhat guaranteed but it isn't 100% for sure if the child has it?
    Then if the abortion is too late they will allow it to be born and then execute it?
    This isn't the 1400s OP and I think either you've made a mistake or the show you were listening to is radio version of Hostel.
    I call BS on this.
    As for the morality of it, it is fcuking disgusting.
    Case in point:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11005285/Australian-couple-abandon-surrogate-twin-with-Downs-syndrome-but-keep-his-sister.html

    Absolute scum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,074 ✭✭✭conorhal


    urbanledge wrote: »
    each to their own,
    whats it got to do with you?

    Oh, a residual shred of humanity I suppose?


    And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,171 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Sounds like a scare story by a proponent of the "slippery slope" hypothesis: "if we allow abortions at all, this is what it will lead to". Someone who thinks morality is black-and-white Judeo-Christian, no grey areas allowed.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    urbanledge wrote: »
    each to their own,
    whats it got to do with you?

    So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,074 ✭✭✭conorhal


    What's 'close to full tern?' iirc, abortions are only legal up to 24 weeks, not full term.

    Edit: ridiculous thread title, too. Nothing you've posted indicates that full term abortions are being offered.

    A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

    Some sources would be nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,074 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

    Some sources would be nice.

    Will the Marie Stopes clinic do?
    http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/women/abortion/abortion-facts/what-uk-law-abortion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Aborting a child at 24 weeks is absolutely disgusting


  • Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    keano_afc wrote: »
    So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?

    Correct,
    nothing got to do with you either .
    When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    urbanledge wrote: »
    Correct,
    nothing got to do with you either .
    When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

    Jesus that's cold.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I see the 'murdering a child' talk has already started.

    Let's even it out.

    It's terminating the viability of a parasitic organism :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    conorhal wrote: »
    A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.

    A quick Google has told me that it's legal in cases where the child will be severely disabled, not have a hare lip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,947 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Well, that escalated quickly.


    I'm still waiting for the OP to provide a source for their nonsense talk.

    I get the feeling that none will be forthcoming, but nothing like a good shìt stirring thread with a sensationalist title like it was ripped straight from the Daily Mail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭Wossack


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?


    Ive read, that in certain cases, of a robot from the future intervening with the port-birth-abortion

    typically concluding in a standoff in a steel smelting factory


  • Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.


    1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
    and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

    That's not an abortion, that infanticide.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    conorhal wrote: »
    And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

    No you can't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru



    there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

    Um... that would actually be murder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    urbanledge wrote: »
    Correct,
    nothing got to do with you either .
    When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

    Wow, I'm genuinely staggered.

    Murder is fine folks, as long as it doesnt directly affect you, apparently. And 3 people agree with you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    conorhal wrote: »

    I meant a source for these babies with downs syndrome being killed once they are born.

    I'm unsure of what severity is required for a late term abortion and your link didn't explain from my quick look.


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