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Aborting a Down Syndrome Twin at full term.

Brown Bomber

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

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[Deleted User]

each to their own,
whats it got to do with you?

Grayson

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

can we have a Link?

And an apology for bring the nazi's into a thread on the first post.

Penny Tration

What's 'close to full tern?' iirc, abortions are only legal up to 24 weeks, not full term.

Edit: ridiculous thread title, too. Nothing you've posted indicates that full term abortions are being offered.

Rachiee

Sounds like utter BS to me the kinda sick rumours the Pro "life" camp spread. Abortion is only legal up to 24 weeks and even at that stage is extremely rare in countries with access to abortion 80 per cent are carried out at under 8 weeks.

Caliden

You sure it wasn't the UK equivilant of Chris Barry's phoneshow?

Nidgeweasel

This thread title is pathetic.

michellie

Full term?? In what country?

One eyed Jack

Brown Bomber wrote: »

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

1) No

2) The only person whose morality is relevant in that situation is the person who has to make that decision.

anncoates

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

Sounds like horsesh1t.

bear1

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

I've re-read this a few times and I've spotted one or two things (in bold) which don't make sense.
The way this post has been written makes it sound like having DS is guaranteed to happen.
The next thing I spotted was the "potential" part. So according to this interview they are saying that DS is somewhat guaranteed but it isn't 100% for sure if the child has it?
Then if the abortion is too late they will allow it to be born and then execute it?
This isn't the 1400s OP and I think either you've made a mistake or the show you were listening to is radio version of Hostel.
I call BS on this.
As for the morality of it, it is fcuking disgusting.
Case in point:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11005285/Australian-couple-abandon-surrogate-twin-with-Downs-syndrome-but-keep-his-sister.html

Absolute scum.

conorhal

urbanledge wrote: »

each to their own,
whats it got to do with you?

Oh, a residual shred of humanity I suppose?

And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

bnt

Sounds like a scare story by a proponent of the "slippery slope" hypothesis: "if we allow abortions at all, this is what it will lead to". Someone who thinks morality is black-and-white Judeo-Christian, no grey areas allowed.

keano_afc

urbanledge wrote: »

each to their own,
whats it got to do with you?

So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?

conorhal

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

What's 'close to full tern?' iirc, abortions are only legal up to 24 weeks, not full term.

Edit: ridiculous thread title, too. Nothing you've posted indicates that full term abortions are being offered.

A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.

shruikan2553

Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

Some sources would be nice.

conorhal

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

Some sources would be nice.

Will the Marie Stopes clinic do?
http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/women/abortion/abortion-facts/what-uk-law-abortion

SEPT 23 1989

Aborting a child at 24 weeks is absolutely disgusting

[Deleted User]

keano_afc wrote: »

So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

bear1

urbanledge wrote: »

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

Jesus that's cold.

Penny Tration

I see the 'murdering a child' talk has already started.

Let's even it out.

It's terminating the viability of a parasitic organism

Fred Swanson

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Penny Tration

conorhal wrote: »

A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.

A quick Google has told me that it's legal in cases where the child will be severely disabled, not have a hare lip.

One eyed Jack

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Well, that escalated quickly.

I'm still waiting for the OP to provide a source for their nonsense talk.

I get the feeling that none will be forthcoming, but nothing like a good shìt stirring thread with a sensationalist title like it was ripped straight from the Daily Mail.

Wossack

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

Ive read, that in certain cases, of a robot from the future intervening with the port-birth-abortion

typically concluding in a standoff in a steel smelting factory

Delirium

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

That's not an abortion, that infanticide.

robinph

conorhal wrote: »

And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

No you can't.

orubiru

Brown Bomber wrote: »

there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

Um... that would actually be murder?

keano_afc

urbanledge wrote: »

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

Wow, I'm genuinely staggered.

Murder is fine folks, as long as it doesnt directly affect you, apparently. And 3 people agree with you.

shruikan2553

conorhal wrote: »

Will the Marie Stopes clinic do?
http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/women/abortion/abortion-facts/what-uk-law-abortion

I meant a source for these babies with downs syndrome being killed once they are born.

I'm unsure of what severity is required for a late term abortion and your link didn't explain from my quick look.

DoYouEvenLift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8--9R0I2Q