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Aborting a Down Syndrome Twin at full term.

Brown Bomber

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

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bear1

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Except it's bollocks. It is legal to abort. It is not legal to murder the baby once it's been born.

Oh I agree, I was just saying that we talking about both.
It's the murder bit which I think is utter bollocks and absolutely disgusting if it's true.

[Deleted User]

bear1 wrote: »

We are talking about both. The opening OP says that if the child can't be aborted before birth then the birth will go ahead. At this point then the child would be murdered - it doesn't say murdered but that's how I see it.

Each to their own is what im saying.abortion for some,tiny american flags for others.
I never gave my opinion on it.
why?
because its none of business what other people want to do and it doesn't effect me in any way.

Penny Tration

bear1 wrote: »

We are talking about both. The opening OP says that if the child can't be aborted before birth then the birth will go ahead. At this point then the child would be murdered - it doesn't say murdered but that's how I see it.

Except it's bollocks. It is legal to abort. It is not legal to murder the baby once it's been born.

bear1

orubiru wrote: »

Are we talking about murder or abortion here? They are different things and unless you are under 16 years old you should know that by now.

We are talking about both. The opening OP says that if the child can't be aborted before birth then the birth will go ahead. At this point then the child would be murdered - it doesn't say murdered but that's how I see it.

orubiru

keano_afc wrote: »

Wow, I'm genuinely staggered.

Murder is fine folks, as long as it doesnt directly affect you, apparently. And 3 people agree with you.

Are we talking about murder or abortion here? They are different things and unless you are under 16 years old you should know that by now.

seventeen sheep

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

1) Is this the case? I don't know, I imagine it's not, but you're the one making the suggestion, surely you're the one who should provide some sort of back-up for it, instead of asking the rest of us to disprove what you've posted (possibly out of your own imagination, for all we know.)

2) I'll give my views when you provide a proper link to the story. However, I've often heard of "selective abortions" (where one/some embryos are terminated, but not others) occurring early in pregnancies, e.g. in cases of multiple births where carrying all to term is unviable, or where some of the foetuses are terminally ill. It happens all the time, and usually very early on in the pregnancy. I'd be surprised if you can find a valid link to support what you've just suggested.

orubiru

conorhal wrote: »

Oh, a residual shred of humanity I suppose?

And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

Who told you this? Do you have a link or something to back it up?

I don't think that's true...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9548293/Mother-who-aborted-baby-in-final-week-of-pregnancy-jailed-for-eight-years.html

DoYouEvenLift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8--9R0I2Q

shruikan2553

conorhal wrote: »

Will the Marie Stopes clinic do?
http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/women/abortion/abortion-facts/what-uk-law-abortion

I meant a source for these babies with downs syndrome being killed once they are born.

I'm unsure of what severity is required for a late term abortion and your link didn't explain from my quick look.

keano_afc

urbanledge wrote: »

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

Wow, I'm genuinely staggered.

Murder is fine folks, as long as it doesnt directly affect you, apparently. And 3 people agree with you.

orubiru

Brown Bomber wrote: »

there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

Um... that would actually be murder?

robinph

conorhal wrote: »

And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

No you can't.

Delirium

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

That's not an abortion, that infanticide.

Wossack

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

Ive read, that in certain cases, of a robot from the future intervening with the port-birth-abortion

typically concluding in a standoff in a steel smelting factory

One eyed Jack

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Well, that escalated quickly.

I'm still waiting for the OP to provide a source for their nonsense talk.

I get the feeling that none will be forthcoming, but nothing like a good shìt stirring thread with a sensationalist title like it was ripped straight from the Daily Mail.

Penny Tration

conorhal wrote: »

A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.

A quick Google has told me that it's legal in cases where the child will be severely disabled, not have a hare lip.

Fred Swanson

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Penny Tration

I see the 'murdering a child' talk has already started.

Let's even it out.

It's terminating the viability of a parasitic organism

bear1

urbanledge wrote: »

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

Jesus that's cold.

[Deleted User]

keano_afc wrote: »

So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?

Correct,
nothing got to do with you either .
When its your twins you can do whatever you like and I won't give a flying ****.

SEPT 23 1989

Aborting a child at 24 weeks is absolutely disgusting

conorhal

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

Some sources would be nice.

Will the Marie Stopes clinic do?
http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/women/abortion/abortion-facts/what-uk-law-abortion

shruikan2553

Isn't there a limit to when you can have an abortion unless the pregnant womans health is at risk?

Some sources would be nice.

conorhal

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

What's 'close to full tern?' iirc, abortions are only legal up to 24 weeks, not full term.

Edit: ridiculous thread title, too. Nothing you've posted indicates that full term abortions are being offered.

A quick google would show you that there no time limit for foetal abnormality, including minor ones in the UK.

keano_afc

urbanledge wrote: »

each to their own,
whats it got to do with you?

So you're essentially saying you have no problem with murdering a child with down syndrome, as its nothing to do with you?

bnt

Sounds like a scare story by a proponent of the "slippery slope" hypothesis: "if we allow abortions at all, this is what it will lead to". Someone who thinks morality is black-and-white Judeo-Christian, no grey areas allowed.

conorhal

urbanledge wrote: »

each to their own,
whats it got to do with you?

Oh, a residual shred of humanity I suppose?

And yes, for the record, you can kill a baby if it suffers any foetal abnormality (including something as simple as a hare lip) up to 9 months in the UK, which is pretty disgusting.

bear1

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

I've re-read this a few times and I've spotted one or two things (in bold) which don't make sense.
The way this post has been written makes it sound like having DS is guaranteed to happen.
The next thing I spotted was the "potential" part. So according to this interview they are saying that DS is somewhat guaranteed but it isn't 100% for sure if the child has it?
Then if the abortion is too late they will allow it to be born and then execute it?
This isn't the 1400s OP and I think either you've made a mistake or the show you were listening to is radio version of Hostel.
I call BS on this.
As for the morality of it, it is fcuking disgusting.
Case in point:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11005285/Australian-couple-abandon-surrogate-twin-with-Downs-syndrome-but-keep-his-sister.html

Absolute scum.

anncoates

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've just been listening to a UK radio show and I was shocked to find out that when 1 one of the twins is diagnosed with potential downs an abortion will be offered to get rid of the "sick" twin. The problem is that an early abortion will put the "healthy" twin at risk so they need to carry out the abortion at close to full term at which stage he/she will be fully developed and there is a possibility that the aborted downs syndrome twin will come out alive and they would have to kill him/her outside the womb.

Sounds like horsesh1t.

One eyed Jack

Brown Bomber wrote: »

1) First of all is this the case? It sounds like a Third Reich horror story...
and 2) What are people's views on the morality of this?

1) No

2) The only person whose morality is relevant in that situation is the person who has to make that decision.